[Discussion] Time proved sasuke was wrong

[Shinato]

Actually, even if Obito had been killed, BZ would have just put the Rinnegan into someone else and used them instead. All killing Obito would have done is delayed Madara's revival.

If Madara hadn't been revived at that time, then he would have been sealed away. Even if Black Zetsu would be able to use someone else later, then he would have to wait years for it to happen. (As he would need either a Uzumaki, Senju or Uchiha to do it. Meaning either Sasuke, Naruto or Tsunade, none which would have done it.) Before he could have done it either way, he would have been killed.

 

[saw2097]

If Madara hadn't been revived at that time, then he would have been sealed away. Even if Black Zetsu would be able to use someone else later, then he would have to wait years for it to happen. (As he would need either a Uzumaki, Senju or Uchiha to do it. Meaning either Sasuke, Naruto or Tsunade, none which would have done it.) Before he could have done it either way, he would have been killed.

No, even if Madara was sealed he can be released again as the seals can be undone, BZ has been around for thousands of years, he is clearly good at staying alive.

All he would have to do is steal the Rinnegan and wait until he can release Madara, or if Madara's Edo Tensei is ended, simply use other people to revive him again.

The only way to prevent this all from happening would have been to destroy one of the Rinnegan.


Also he doesn't need somebody willing to do it, he can just grab someone have them upgraded with Senju DNA, or wait until Tsunade or someone with a strong body (even Karin could theoretically work) was weakened enough then grab her do the surgery and take over her body.

 

[Shinato]

No, even if Madara was sealed he can be released again as the seals can be undone, BZ has been around for thousands of years, he is clearly good at staying alive.

All he would have to do is steal the Rinnegan and wait until he can release Madara, or if Madara's Edo Tensei is ended, simply use other people to revive him again.

The only way to prevent this all from happening would have been to destroy one of the Rinnegan.

Black Zetsu has been able to stay alive for so long since he's been hiding for all this time. Now he is placed himself in front of everyone, he cannot hide anymore. (Meaning he would be killed unless he found some way to overpower them. Like Kaguya for example.) Black Zetsu would need to steal the Rinnegan, wait for Madara' to be unsealed, then find another Uchiha,Senju or Uzumaki to use the Rinnegan and throw away their life in order to resurrect Madara. Yeah... That would have taken decades at best. Not to mention that the only 3 people who can preform Edo Tensei are Kabuto,Orochimaru and Tobirama. None who would revive Madara a second time after stopping him once.

 

[saw2097]

Black Zetsu has been able to stay alive for so long since he's been hiding for all this time. Now he is placed himself in front of everyone, he cannot hide anymore. (Meaning he would be killed unless he found some way to overpower them. Like Kaguya for example.) Black Zetsu would need to steal the Rinnegan, wait for Madara' to be unsealed, then find another Uchiha,Senju or Uzumaki to use the Rinnegan and throw away their life in order to resurrect Madara. Yeah... That would have taken decades at best. Not to mention that the only 3 people who can preform Edo Tensei are Kabuto,Orochimaru and Tobirama. None who would revive Madara a second time after stopping him once.

Even if they didn't do it, there is no saying that somewhere down the line somebody else will come along and do it again as the jutsu can be learned by others, or BZ could manipulate someone else and teach them how to do it after stealing a scroll containing the info on how to do it.

It would take decades yes or maybe centuries, but it is still possible as long as BZ and the Rinnegan exists to do this again.

As for BZ's survival, he escaped death when Chojuro tried to kill him and didn't show up until after they all went after Madara and decided to let Obito live.

If Sasuke had killed Obito, then BZ simply wouldn't have shown up and nobody would have been the wiser.

As far as everyone knows he is just a mindless drown for Madara, with him dealt with they wouldn't have bothered looking for him.

 

[Shinato]

Even if they didn't do it, there is no saying that somewhere down the line somebody else will come along and do it again as the jutsu can be learned by others, or BZ could manipulate someone else and teach them how to do it after stealing a scroll containing the info on how to do it.

It would take decades yes or maybe centuries, but it is still possible as long as BZ and the Rinnegan exists to do this again.

There is no way a Senju would do it, as they are for the first of all dying out right now. (Good job there Tsunade) The Uchiha and Uzumaki lineage will end and become something new from Sasuke and Naruto. The only reason Black Zetsu was able to manipulate Madara was because he manipulated the Uchiha from the start. Something which he wouldn't be able to do right now. Black Zetsu went to great lengths in order to make his plan succeed this time, meaning he probably meant that if it didn't then it would be very hard to do it again. Anyhow, if Sasuke had killed Obito at that time, then he wouldn't be trapped in a desert, and that is what this thread was about.

 

[saw2097]

There is no way a Senju would do it, as they are for the first of all dying out right now. (Good job there Tsunade) The Uchiha and Uzumaki lineage will end and become something new from Sasuke and Naruto. The only reason Black Zetsu was able to manipulate Madara was because he manipulated the Uchiha from the start. Something which he wouldn't be able to do right now. Black Zetsu went to great lengths in order to make his plan succeed this time, meaning he probably meant that if it didn't then it would be very hard to do it again. Anyhow, if Sasuke had killed Obito at that time, then he wouldn't be trapped in a desert, and that is what this thread was about.

Obito wasn't a senju and was able to use it because he had Senju DNA implanted, all BZ would have to do is use some other mad scientist and implant Senju DNA into someone.

Or Edo Tensei Nagato back and get him to do it, there are plenty of ways I can think of to do it.

 

[Shinato]

Obito wasn't a senju and was able to use it because he had Senju DNA implanted, all BZ would have to do is use some other mad scientist and implant Senju DNA into someone.

Or Edo Tensei Nagato back and get him to do it, there are plenty of ways I can think of to do it.

First of all, there isn't enough Senju DNA to go around all of the sudden. Even if Black Zetsu got someone to implant Senju DNA into someone then it wouldn't matter. They would need agree with Black Zetsu's plan, which after the stories of Madara, no one would. Also, an Edo Tensei cannot preform Rinne no Tensei as it drains the user's life force. (A Edo doesn't have any life force as they are corpses.)

 

[NeutralChaos]

First of all, there isn't enough Senju DNA to go around all of the sudden. Even if Black Zetsu got someone to implant Senju DNA into someone then it wouldn't matter. They would need agree with Black Zetsu's plan, which after the stories of Madara, no one would. Also, an Edo Tensei cannot preform Rinne no Tensei as it drains the user's life force. (A Edo doesn't have any life force as they are corpses.)

While I do agree with your agument, the only problem is that their is a lot of Hashirama's DNA after all the cloning and what not.

 

[NeutralChaos]

Obito wasn't a senju and was able to use it because he had Senju DNA implanted, all BZ would have to do is use some other mad scientist and implant Senju DNA into someone.

Or Edo Tensei Nagato back and get him to do it, there are plenty of ways I can think of to do it.

If Obito were to die, Madara would have been sealed and his Edo Tensei released. If the Rinnegan weren't to get crushed, then Black Zetsu would no doubt get away with them, but you cannot just implant them into someone and expect Kaguya to be revived. He would have to have the person with the rinnegan defeat Naruto, presuming he would have all the beasts inside him, or go back and defeat everyone, including Naruto again. Theoretically, this just won't work out for Black Zetsu. Edo Tensei revived corpses cannot perform the Rinne Tensei.

 

[Jessika Uzumaki]

How???

BZ and madara was still there ..So your post failed

Haha....classic...

 

[Punk Hazard]

How???

BZ and madara was still there ..So your post failed

No one would have been able to revive Madara, which means Kaguya wouldn't have returned.

 

[Hiraishin Stage 3]

Nope, If Sasuke killed obito back then Kaguya wouldn't be revived, Fail thread.​

white zetsu had already gotten hold of the other rinnegan so madara would be revived anyway and subsequently kaguya

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maybe its your post that failed?

 

[spidercraker]

white zetsu had already gotten hold of the other rinnegan so madara would be revived anyway and subsequently kaguya

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Hey stupid. Yes white zetsu got the other rinnegan but who else gonna perform the RINNE TENSEI? No Obito, No Rinne Tensei, No Kaguya. You cannot put the Rinnegan with a fodder or an edo tensei shinobi that's why Madara used Obito to revive himself. I hope you're not stupid to know these basics things in Naruto World.

 

[WalksInShadows]

Actually, even if Obito had been killed, BZ would have just put the Rinnegan into someone else and used them instead. All killing Obito would have done is delayed Madara's revival.

like.....who? Obito already stated how powerful the 1 Rinnegan was, and he was half made up of Hashirama's cells on top of being an Uchiha. That puts so many ppl out of that conversation because a lot of ppl would have problems handling his Sharingan. That kind of Rinnegan isn't exactly something any schmuck can handle; there's a reason why Nagato was personally chosen by Madara to bear them in the first place. Those kinds of ppl didn't grow on trees.

This^^^^^

Sasuke is genius

if he was that much of a genius, he wouldn't have let Kakashi handle that situation to begin with.

If Obito were to die, Madara would have been sealed and his Edo Tensei released.

the problem with this part is that Madara had already severed himself from Kabuto's contract, so removing his soul that way was out of the question.