Interesting...you claim if Jiraiya covers his face with his hair it will pierce his face. Strange, because when he covered his body with needle jizo it didn't pierce his body
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Not to mention, he DID cover the lower half of his face in that scan, confirming that he didn't block his eyes only because he wanted to see. If you still see a problem with this, Jiraiya can leave some space between his face and the hair.
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^actual scan from the manga
Now, why does amaterasu not just burn through his hair? Simple, he shoots off the burnt hairs back at Itachi with Kebari senbon.
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When this happens, one of two things will occur.
1 - Itachi is forced to break concentration and stop focusing his amaterasu and shift attention to defending himself against the burning needles (most likely)
2 - Itachi somehow defends himself without breaking concentration. Jiraiya continues expanding his hair and shooting off the needles. Since amaterasu is a chakra-taxing technique Itachi can't focus his amaterasu longer than Jiraiya can continue to expand the Jizo and shoot off his needles.
The point of the summon isn't to keep it alive. It is simply used as a shield between Jiraiya and Amaterasu.
First off, it's not totally out of character for Jiraiya to use kage bunshins in this scenario. He has a much greater understanding of Itachi's genjutsu and understands its deadliness much more since his last encounter with Itachi (he saw how Itachi completely manipulated a woman to seduce him; he saw how much damage Tsukuyomi dealt to Kakashi; he saw how totally incapacitated Sasuke was after taking a Tsukuyomi from Itachi.) Jiraiya is an analytical man, he knows kage bunshins are immune to genjutsu so it's actually pretty likely he'd put up a bunch of them at the beginning.
Please reread my post. I said ALIVE Itachi. Edo Itachi can afford to spam Amaterasu for eternity. When he's alive he doesn't have that luxury (since his stamina and chakra reserves are shit) and will try to take down Jiraiya through other means first (alive Itachi always starts out his battles with his 3T arsenal.) It's the same case with Jiraiya and shadow clones - is it in character for him to use them? Maybe, maybe not. Is it in character for alive Itachi to spam amaterasu at the beginning of a battle?
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Not that it matters, anyway. If I cared about Itachi and Jiraiya being in character I wouldn't even be having this conversation since an amaterasu one-shot would be out of question. So you need to figure out a way for Itachi to handle these shadow clones, because they are a hard counter to amaterasu.
Moving on. Exploding clones are killed through any of Jiraiya's hair techniques, the best option probably being Kebari Senbon. A line of amaterasu? Please. That's assuming the clones are all going to be in a straight line, plus the image you showed was multiple amaterasu. Itachi needs to focus on each individual clone to ignite them, he doesn't have enton. Since he can't distinguish the real from the fakes, he can either spam amaterasu, hoping to nail the real one by some lucky chance (and dying of chakra exhaustion in the meantime) or figure out a different way to take care of them - proving that Itachi can't beat Jiraiya with amaterasu alone as you claim.
Uh, what? Jiraiya obviously WILL be in the dust. Ma is perched on his shoulder and she's spitting out a dust cloud around them. Neither Itachi nor his crow can see through the dust (it's irrelevant whether or not Itachi is in the dust cloud.) Jiraiya overpowers Itachi's katon like
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, except Fukusaku and Jiraiya will be spitting out oil/fire, while Shima continues to spit out the dust cloud to make up for the dust that is being cleared by the katons.
This is the absolute pinnacle of your ignorance. Since Jiraiya only used his barrier once and it was against an invisible opponent, that means he only uses it against invisible opponents right? Kakashi and Jiraiya always exchange intel regarding Akatsuki, especially Itachi. Kakashi certainly told Jiraiya about Itachi's extremely fast shunshin, fast hand seals, and clones. Jiraiya would erect the barrier to prevent surprise attacks. Once Itachi enters his barrier Jiraiya is instantly alerted while Itachi is still some distance away (since the barrier is huge.) This gives Jiraiya early warning, giving him ample time to counterattack.
That is why I said ok and moved on.
This isn't worth replying to.
Interesting...you claim if Jiraiya covers his face with his hair it will pierce his face. Strange, because when he covered his body with needle jizo it didn't pierce his body
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Not to mention, he DID cover the lower half of his face in that scan, confirming that he didn't block his eyes only because he wanted to see. If you still see a problem with this, Jiraiya can leave some space between his face and the hair.
It's not a matter of whether Jiraiya has the ability to cover his face with Kebari Senbon or not; it's a matter of whether or not a non-SM Jiraiya (since J-man isn't starting out with SM; realistically he never would and or could) can predict and respond to Amaterasu in time.
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Itachi one-shotted an advanced sensor in one panel so fast that neither he or his summoning could react in time. He couldn't even pull out an ST to block it, which would require absolutely no movement from him at all. It did, in fact, make contact with Nagato the second he used it. If Itachi instantly made contact using Amaterasu against a summon instantly while at this distance
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against a summoning that has shown MUCH more reaction time and speed than Jiraiya himself,
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then we have no reason to believe that Jiraiya, who has demonstrated zero speed feats to respond to something of this caliber, is going to be able to respond to it.
If you still see a problem with this, Jiraiya can leave some space between his face and the hair.
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^actual scan from the manga
You think that's an "actual scan from the manga?" To be blunt, that looks like a piece of shit almost as hideous as you. That was never in the manga; you obviously made it in paint. You might wanna try taking that down; it only makes you look more retarded than you already made yourself to be.
Now, why does amaterasu not just burn through his hair? Simple, he shoots off the burnt hairs back at Itachi with Kebari senbon.
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When this happens, one of two things will occur.1 - Itachi is forced to break concentration and stop focusing his amaterasu and shift attention to defending himself against the burning needles (most likely)2 - Itachi somehow defends himself without breaking concentration. Jiraiya continues expanding his hair and shooting off the needles. Since amaterasu is a chakra-taxing technique Itachi can't focus his amaterasu longer than Jiraiya can continue to expand the Jizo and shoot off his needles.
Assuming Itachi's Amaterasu doesn't burn through his hair instantly (which it most likely will, seeing as it easily flattened the Hachibi in
seconds), Itachi's doesn't need to break his concentration at all.
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With this easily-activated ribcage, the Kenbari Senbons are almost as insignificant as your argument is. While Jiraiya might be able to use Kenbari Senbon longer than Itachi can continuously use Heavenly Illumination, the fact that it burns quicker than Jiraiya's attack can counter easily means that the Senbons get overwhelmed. Itachi was being overwhelmed by Sasuke's Katon yet switched to something hotter and overwhelmed it. The same thing would happen to Jiraiya.
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The point of the summon isn't to keep it alive. It is simply used as a shield between Jiraiya and Amaterasu.
That would be useful
assuming Jiraiya can even respond in time. Even if he miracuously does, it's useless because by sacrificing his summons he is singlehandedly ridding himself of his biggest offensive. As well as that, the second he sacrifices his summons, he's prone to
ANOTHER Amaterasu attack. Since he no longer has any summons, he has no way to escape Itachi's visual technique.
First off, it's not totally out of character for Jiraiya to use kage bunshins in this scenario. He has a much greater understanding of Itachi's genjutsu and understands its deadliness much more since his last encounter with Itachi (he saw how Itachi completely manipulated a woman to seduce him; he saw how much damage Tsukuyomi dealt to Kakashi; he saw how totally incapacitated Sasuke was after taking a Tsukuyomi from Itachi.) Jiraiya is an analytical man, he knows kage bunshins are immune to genjutsu so it's actually pretty likely he'd put up a bunch of them at the beginning.
Jiraiya is analytical against Itachi's Genjutsu...?
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And like Kakashi pointed out:
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If Jiraiya was analytical and specifically wanted to avoid Genjutsu, he would of made shadow clones in his first encounter. Like you LOVED to point out, he saw what Tsukuyomi did to Kakashi and yet he STILL didn't do anything to counter his Genjutsu. There's no reason for him to not do the same now.
Please reread my post. I said ALIVE Itachi. Edo Itachi can afford to spam Amaterasu for eternity. When he's alive he doesn't have that luxury (since his stamina and chakra reserves are shit) and will try to take down Jiraiya through other means first (alive Itachi always starts out his battles with his 3T arsenal.) It's the same case with Jiraiya and shadow clones - is it in character for him to use them? Maybe, maybe not. Is it in character for alive Itachi to spam amaterasu at the beginning of a battle?
Sure, he might not start out with Amaterasu
under normal means. However, with Jiraiya constantly screaming with his fat-ass mouth that he's entering Sage Mode,
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and Itachi possessing full intel as to how big of a threat Sage Mode is,
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it's safe to say that Itachi would do what is necessary to put Jiraiya down before he enters it, meaning that, yes, Amaterasu would be a primary, common attack in this battle and one that he would pull out almost immediately.
Not that it matters, anyway. If I cared about Itachi and Jiraiya being in character I wouldn't even be having this conversation since an amaterasu one-shot would be out of question. So you need to figure out a way for Itachi to handle these shadow clones, because they are a hard counter to amaterasu.Moving on. Exploding clones are killed through any of Jiraiya's hair techniques, the best option probably being Kebari Senbon. A line of amaterasu? Please. That's assuming the clones are all going to be in a straight line, plus the image you showed was multiple amaterasu. Itachi needs to focus on each individual clone to ignite them, he doesn't have enton. Since he can't distinguish the real from the fakes, he can either spam amaterasu, hoping to nail the real one by some lucky chance (and dying of chakra exhaustion in the meantime) or figure out a different way to take care of them - proving that Itachi can't beat Jiraiya with amaterasu alone as you claim.
Clones being a hard counter to Amaterasu? False, because the fact that Itachi's exploding clones can erase them still stands. The only thing you said as a counter to Itachi's exploding clones is that he'll be able to erase them by using Kenbari Senbon. By using KS, Jiraiya is lethally hitting them and in the process destroying them. If he destroys them, they're going to explode, and the explosion will destroy Jiraiya's clones as well, completely ruining his "defense" against Amaterasu. If destroying them
doesn't lead to their explosion, he'll still erase his clones as well due to the fact that Kenbari Senbon is Jiraiya's widest ranged attack (he even admitted this). You still haven't found out a way to counter Itachi's counter to Jiraiya's clones. You should work on that.
Uh, what? Jiraiya obviously WILL be in the dust. Ma is perched on his shoulder and she's spitting out a dust cloud around them. Neither Itachi nor his crow can see through the dust (it's irrelevant whether or not Itachi is in the dust cloud.) Jiraiya overpowers Itachi's katon like this, except Fukusaku and Jiraiya will be spitting out oil/fire, while Shima continues to spit out the dust cloud to make up for the dust that is being cleared by the katons.
I already countered this above by stating how Jiraiya isn't going to even make it into Sennin Mode, rendering Shima and Fukasaku's dust technique utterly irrelevant. Even if he does get enter SM, Itachi can simply jump out of it. Nothing implies Itachi cannot when he can
casually jump to heights of these proportions.
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This is the absolute pinnacle of your ignorance. Since Jiraiya only used his barrier once and it was against an invisible opponent, that means he only uses it against invisible opponents right? Kakashi and Jiraiya always exchange intel regarding Akatsuki, especially Itachi. Kakashi certainly told Jiraiya about Itachi's extremely fast shunshin, fast hand seals, and clones. Jiraiya would erect the barrier to prevent surprise attacks. Once Itachi enters his barrier Jiraiya is instantly alerted while Itachi is still some distance away (since the barrier is huge.) This gives Jiraiya early warning, giving him ample time to counterattack.
And
this is the absolute example of
YOUR stupidity. Jiraiya has NO reason to use a sensing barrier in this scenario. This doesn't say full intel; he won't know just how fast Itachi is. Once Itachi unleashes his full Shunshin and speed and Jiraiya realizes he's easily outclassed in speed, he's not going to be able to even use the barrier while they're fighting; he'll be too distracted.
That is why I said ok and moved on.
Good for you mate.
This isn't worth replying to.
Your whole entire argument wasn't worth replying to, yet I still deigned to. It sounds like you're simply not intelligent enough to enough come up with a coherent response.
