Healthy Nagato vs BM Naruto

[RustledJimmies]

Preta Path causes chakra the user's chakra flow to spin in reverse..so instead of releasing chakra, you absorb it. Why would Nagato be able to use jutsu while absorbing chakra?

A Kunai works wonders....or he can use any ordinary Ninjutsu since Nagato won't be able to react to activate Preta Path, nor can (or will) Nagato even fight while Preta Path is up.

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[VongolaX]

Nagato absorbs his whole arsenal.

frog katas/kumite

He can make an army of SM clones

 

[LuckyMan]

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I was literally just about to post that. So yeah, Nagato can still use his other Rinnegan abilities while using Preta Path.

 

[KidGamer65]

Perhaps Nagato reflects the TBB with Almighty Push to a far off direction.

Bijuu Dama is far too large, too heavy, and moves too fast for Nagato to deflect it with a regular Shinra Tensei.

-Kurama's Bijuu Dama

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in a second or two.

-A small Bijuu Dama was

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-Naruto's

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CST should do the trick, but that means Nagato has no Deva Powers for a while.

Well, most people ebelieved Danzo used some sort of uber teleportation jutsu because I think right before it was about to eat him he made a seal and said like "teleportation blah bah" then escaped. I really don't think he is nuking the Mazo though, considering its much larger and stronger than all the tailed beast and Kurama and Gyuki tanked JubiLaserDama just by guarding themselves and sustained light-medium damage.

Oh yeah, he fled. That's how he escaped..lol.

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, and its only stronger than them physically...even then I might be wrong. Not to mention the Mazo has no tanking feats to lead me to believe it'll survive a Super Bijuu Dama from Naruto.

Only Kurama took that blast. (but it lost 6 of its tails, that is upper medium damage) Gyuki was warped away by Kakashi, and there is nothing that implies the Mazo is tankier than he is.

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Then, he'll have to attack with weapons, or Senjutsu, or Frog Katas. He still has the Frog Genjutsu via Ma and Pa.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

While a healthy nagato is as strong as BM naruto naruto can tech blitz nothing nagato has shown suggest his speed is in that level reflexes I'll give him due to deva path reflexes shown

But speed no....

 

[Touken]

How's it inconsistent?

He's showcased that speed a maximum of 3-4 times (talking about BM/KCM Naruto, not current Naruto) and there's been some iffy moments where he should have blitzed someone given his speed but didn't. For example, his supposed faster-than-V2 Ay-speed should have let him blitz Obito while he was teleporting out [

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[RustledJimmies]

frog katas/kumite

He can make an army of SM clones

Shinra Tensei says hi.

Then, he'll have to attack with weapons, or Senjutsu, or Frog Katas. He still has the Frog Genjutsu via Ma and Pa.

Weapons and Frog Kata get countered with ST, Nagato has knowledge on Naruto, there's no reason why he'll stay in Naruto's Genjutsu's range. Gakido has already shown to absorb Senjutsu, just not high amounts of it.

 

[KidGamer65]

He's showcased that speed a maximum of 3-4 times (talking about BM/KCM Naruto, not current Naruto) and there's been some iffy moments where he should have blitzed someone given his speed but didn't. For example, his supposed faster-than-V2 Ay-speed should have let him blitz Obito while he was teleporting out [

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]. 5G Lee was able to outpace Madara's Truth-Seeker Orbs [

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] even though those Orbs are faster than Kamui teleportation [

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]. I'm pretty sure 5G Lee isn't on V2 Ay's speed tier.

Using it 3/4 times maximum isn't a warrant to discredit it here, and that was KCM Naruto, not BM Naruto, nor did Naruto use Shunshin there.

Obito takes longer to absorb himself than he does when absorbing other objects, so that doesn't mean that Lee is on Madara's speed tier. Not to mention the distance was different for each scenario.

 

[LuckyMan]

Bijuu Dama is far too large, too heavy, and moves too fast for Nagato to deflect it with a regular Shinra Tensei.

-Kurama's Bijuu Dama

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in a second or two.

-A small Bijuu Dama was

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.

-Naruto's

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.

CST should do the trick, but that means Nagato has no Deva Powers for a while.




Oh yeah, he fled. That's how he escaped..lol.

Its that much

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, and its only stronger than them physically...even then I might be wrong. Not to mention the Mazo has no tanking feats to lead me to believe it'll survive a Super Bijuu Dama from Naruto.

Only Kurama took that blast. (but it lost 6 of its tails, that is upper medium damage) Gyuki was warped away by Kakashi, and there is nothing that implies the Mazo is tankier than he is.



Then, he'll have to attack with weapons, or Senjutsu, or Frog Katas. He still has the Frog Genjutsu via Ma and Pa.

Right, he does still have the Frog Sound via Ma+Pa. That genjutsu is severely overpowered though, almost on KA level. I'm starting to think it needs to be banned in Versus threads completely. Even if they need a few minutes to prep it, the three shinobi who can use it (Jman, Minato, Naruto) all have abilities where they can stall, evade, and get around to easily using it.

I know Naruto wins this with Frog Sound, but thats the only way.

 

[KidGamer65]

Right, he does still have the Frog Sound via Ma+Pa. That genjutsu is severely overpowered though, almost on KA level. I'm starting to think it needs to be banned in Versus threads completely. Even if they need a few minutes to prep it, the three shinobi who can use it (Jman, Minato, Naruto) all have abilities where they can stall, evade, and get around to easily using it.

I know Naruto wins this with Frog Sound, but thats the only way.

I can settle for that.

 

[VongolaX]

Shinra Tensei says hi.



Weapons and Frog Kata get countered with ST, Nagato has knowledge on Naruto, there's no reason why he'll stay in Naruto's Genjutsu's range. Gakido has already shown to absorb Senjutsu, just not high amounts of it.

This is BM naruto with sm clones...

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Literally no problem recovering

Even naruto can stop the force with his tails (v2 bee used his hands).

Let's not forget that the shuushin deflect that huge bijuudamas:

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Imagine those TTBs as nagato's limbs flying across the mountains

 

[VongolaX]

naruto kills nagato with these:

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Strong enough to survive this:

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His chakra cloak was strong enough to endure this, which is way stronger than any form of nagato's shrina tensei:

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It's funny how as the chapter progress, nagato (unlike any other powerful character) never gets underrated.

People keep overrating him more and more, while characters that are way stronger than him get put below him.

 

[lanakui8]

BM Naruto takes this mid difficulty at most.

Nagato has nothing that can get through the BM avatar. Shinra tensei, his lasers, missiles, boss summon attacks, none of that's going to do anything to an avatar that blocked the juubi's laser with its tails. BM Naruto has the firepower to bust chibaku tensei after the ball is completely formed, and pain's version wasn't even powerful enough to contain KN8, there's no way that technique is working on him.

Sensing, knowledge about shared vision, and mindset of going for he kill, Naruto destroys nagato's shared vision by sensing them with either his BM, KCM or SM sensing and ends nagato with a flash shunshin that blew up mokuryu's face and blasted 5 bijuudamas away. That or SM clones frog kata delivered via BM chakra tails or SM clones transformed as shurikens.

And this is all assuming Nagato's preta path has no limits and would be able to absorb even naruto's most powerful bijuudama, and assuming that Naruto doesn't just summon ma and pa and have them end nagato while protected by the BM avatar.

Beating an extremely gimped KCM Naruto =/= standing a chance against BM Naruto.

 

[Touken]

Using it 3/4 times maximum isn't a warrant to discredit it here, and that was KCM Naruto, not BM Naruto, nor did Naruto use Shunshin there.

Obito takes longer to absorb himself than he does when absorbing other objects, so that doesn't mean that Lee is on Madara's speed tier. Not to mention the distance was different for each scenario.

There is literally no way to discern whether Naruto had used Shunshin or not, and on top of that, he has no reason not to use Shunshin. What are BM Naruto's speed feats again? Apart from the one time he deflected all those Bijuu Bombs through speed alone.

That was a double Kamui; Kakashi's Kamui and Obito's Kamui combined and the Truth-Seeker Orb was still nearly as fast as the combined Kamui. Kamui's speed doubled is much faster than Obito's single Kamui, regardless of whether he's teleporting others or himself. If anything, Lee had much more distance to travel than Naruto considering Lee must have been outside Hirudora's large AoE otherwise he would have been killed.

 

[Zexion~]

Nagato wins this shit idgaf

 

[HNIC]

Nagato wins mid diff

 

[makosheva7]

Naruto high diff. It's either a TBB or frog genjutsu that defeats Nagato. And ya frog genjutsu is pretty cheap, but hey, it works.

 

[Seventh Sama]

Naruto high diff, Nagato's 5 sec interval is his downfall...

 

[genii96]

Naruto high diff. It's either a TBB or frog genjutsu that defeats Nagato. And ya frog genjutsu is pretty cheap, but hey, it works.

didnt deva already handle the genjutsu before?. Tbb gets absorbed ot just deflected

 

[TRE MERCER]

Im going to go with Naruto here. Kurama avatar would rape the dogs like it did the Bijuu. The other summonings will get wrecked by a Mini tbb. Naruto makes Sm clones and have the do giant Rasengans etc. The possibilities for Naruto to win is endless while Nagato only had about 2.