Itachi Uchiha vs. Minato Namikaze

[Penguin]

Minato has no counters to Tsukiyomi. None. His "chakra control" cannot counter, escape, or break it. Never was it even hinted something like that could escape Tsukiyomi.

Minato would either get caught in a genjutsu, or he would rape. Those are the only two answers.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

If I can find it; AkatsukiChurch made an excellent point on how Clone's aren't actually much of a solution to Genjutsu unless you make your own miniature army of them.

 

[Bogard]

If I can find it; AkatsukiChurch made an excellent point on how Clone's aren't actually much of a solution to Genjutsu unless you make your own miniature army of them.

How is it possible when you see the Kakashi vs Itachi battle? Either way seems interesting. Hopefully you find it

 

[Apêx1]

More like you are understanding my point but trying to deny it because you want to stay in the myth that tsukuyomi is invincible. Proof of it is that you now try to twist the manga by saying Minato can't change his chakra like Naruto

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Either way the way it goes i prefer stopping here. I'm not going to repeat myself concerning the break-escape thing. I said what i wanted to. I don't think you'll ever acknowledge what i'm saying, so you can believe what you want

So you are a nitpicker huh? You highlight the one in green and then the one in red, yet leave out the one in-between the two. You must be blind if you can't see Minato saying he does it through Naruto. Minato was able to do Naruto's since he sees him all the time, same goes for Kushina. He was never able to do it 'on the spot' like Naruto, thus did it through Naruto. Denying this is making you look idiotic and stubborn.

 

[Apêx1]

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Whatever dude. You're right. Hopefully you'll sleep better at night =D

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I will, thank you for soothing, I will remember your kindness.

 

[Strict]

Inb4 you tell me how this Chakra transformation helps him to "escape" Tsukuyomi.
This picture shows that Minato can change his Chakra into other types to suit others when he hands out his (or Kyuubi's) Chakra to others.

How does that help to escape the Genjutsu? Don't get it. Anyway, your interpretation I don't agree with. Your opinion, which is not based on a fact.

 

[Apêx1]

Inb4 you tell me how this Chakra transformation helps him to "escape" Tsukuyomi.
This picture shows that Minato can change his Chakra into other types to suit others when he hands out his (or Kyuubi's) Chakra to others.

How does that help to escape the Genjutsu? Don't get it. Anyway, your interpretation I don't agree with. Your opinion, which is not based on a fact.

Lml, getting it through bogard's thick head is a nigh impossible task. He already said it so there's no 'inb4'.

 

[Bogard]

Lml, getting it through bogard's thick head is a nigh impossible task. He already said it so there's no 'inb4'.

Says the guy who thinks tsukuyomi is a ninjutsu

Inb4 you tell me how this Chakra transformation helps him to "escape" Tsukuyomi.
This picture shows that Minato can change his Chakra into other types to suit others when he hands out his (or Kyuubi's) Chakra to others.

How does that help to escape the Genjutsu? Don't get it. Anyway, your interpretation I don't agree with. Your opinion, which is not based on a fact.

But you must change the type before handling them out

 

[Strict]

And how does "changing the type" help you to escape the Genjutsu?

 

[Strict]

Sorry, I just joined. :b

 

[Prince Charles]

Either the fight ends with genjutsu or itachi get's marked with ftg.

 

[bobtheboober]

And how does "changing the type" help you to escape the Genjutsu?

he's trying to convince everyone that minato can break tsukuyomi bc his chakra control is good even though kishi already stated it was impossible to break it if you don't have ms very desperate

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

How is it possible when you see the Kakashi vs Itachi battle? Either way seems interesting. Hopefully you find it

I can't seem to find it exactly; But I'll paraphrase what he put down.

Essentially, Genjutsu is still fairly effective against an opponent who can make a mass amount of clones. The clones and the original are clearly linked, such as when Naruto was influenced by the Kyuubi's chakra and the clone's could feel the

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from the chakra despite not being exposed to it themselves. This is important because it proves that there is a chakra signal being sent from the original to the clones. When the chakra is disrupted, the clone's will fade away, this happened to the Mokuton clones that Hashirama had out when he was stabbed with Madara's Outer Path rods. His chakra was disrupted and his clone's couldn't function anymore. Even if Itachi catches a clone in a Genjutsu;

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like what happened to Kakashi's. So, basically Clone's offer little help against Genjutsu considering if the original is hit, they'll be useless.

That's somewhere around what AkatsukiChurch had said.

 

[Demonic.]

I can't seem to find it exactly; But I'll paraphrase what he put down.

Essentially, Genjutsu is still fairly effective against an opponent who can make a mass amount of clones. The clones and the original are clearly linked, such as when Naruto was influenced by the Kyuubi's chakra and the clone's could feel the

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from the chakra despite not being exposed to it themselves. This is important because it proves that there is a chakra signal being sent from the original to the clones. When the chakra is disrupted, the clone's will fade away, this happened to the Mokuton clones that Hashirama had out when he was stabbed with Madara's Outer Path rods. His chakra was disrupted and his clone's couldn't function anymore. Even if Itachi catches a clone in a Genjutsu;

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and

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like what happened to Kakashi's. So, basically Clone's offer little help against Genjutsu considering if the original is hit, they'll be useless.

That's somewhere around what AkatsukiChurch had said.

You're comparing Hashirama being stabbed and his clones fading away, to Itachi using Genjutsu on a clone, and it having no effect? Lol

 

[Demonic.]

he's trying to convince everyone that minato can break tsukuyomi bc his chakra control is good even though kishi already stated it was impossible to break it if you don't have ms very desperate

I'll Totsuka seal you.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

You're comparing Hashirama being stabbed and his clones fading away, to Itachi using Genjutsu on a clone, and it having no effect? Lol

That was an added point. genjutsu disrupts the chakra of the victim, as does Madara's Outer Path rods. Both should be capable of canceling out the chakra signal that is sent to clones and thus making them unstable and disperse.

 

[Bogard]

I can't seem to find it exactly; But I'll paraphrase what he put down.

Essentially, Genjutsu is still fairly effective against an opponent who can make a mass amount of clones. The clones and the original are clearly linked, such as when Naruto was influenced by the Kyuubi's chakra and the clone's could feel the

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from the chakra despite not being exposed to it themselves. This is important because it proves that there is a chakra signal being sent from the original to the clones. When the chakra is disrupted, the clone's will fade away, this happened to the Mokuton clones that Hashirama had out when he was stabbed with Madara's Outer Path rods. His chakra was disrupted and his clone's couldn't function anymore. Even if Itachi catches a clone in a Genjutsu;

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and

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like what happened to Kakashi's. So, basically Clone's offer little help against Genjutsu considering if the original is hit, they'll be useless.

That's somewhere around what AkatsukiChurch had said.

Yes Tobirama already confirmed the original can still manipulate the clone's chakra(the connection he is talking about) [

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Still he is wrong on something for his method to work he should hit the original. If it hits the clone, the original can easily manipulate his chakra to break out. So in the end, it goes back to square one. It's still the original that needs to be hit for that to be effective

Besides, he is actually wrong on something. Kakashi's clone could move despite the genjutsu [

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]. Notice the "grab". He immobilised Itachi in place in order for Naruto to strike with the odama rasengan4

Edit: Actually after thinking about it, even if it hits the original it won't make the clones disappear. Hiruzen against BOD is the perfect counter-example of this

 

[Demonic.]

That was an added point. genjutsu disrupts the chakra of the victim, as does Madara's Outer Path rods. Both should be capable of canceling out the chakra signal that is sent to clones and thus making them unstable and disperse.

True! That's if you hit the original. If a shadow clone is hit with Genjutsu nothing would happen as seen when Itachi fell for Kakashi's shadow clone and said, "I see..no wonder it has no effect. You're a shadow clone." Tsukuyomi wouldn't work on a shadow clone, but the backlash would still happen.

 

[Kamui Sama]

I can't seem to find it exactly; But I'll paraphrase what he put down.

Essentially, Genjutsu is still fairly effective against an opponent who can make a mass amount of clones. The clones and the original are clearly linked, such as when Naruto was influenced by the Kyuubi's chakra and the clone's could feel the

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from the chakra despite not being exposed to it themselves. This is important because it proves that there is a chakra signal being sent from the original to the clones. When the chakra is disrupted, the clone's will fade away, this happened to the Mokuton clones that Hashirama had out when he was stabbed with Madara's Outer Path rods. His chakra was disrupted and his clone's couldn't function anymore. Even if Itachi catches a clone in a Genjutsu;

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and

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like what happened to Kakashi's. So, basically Clone's offer little help against Genjutsu considering if the original is hit, they'll be useless.

That's somewhere around what AkatsukiChurch had said.

Kakashi's whole plan surrounded Itachi using tsukuyomi on the clone though. His 3t genjutsu didn't seem to phase Kakashi at all. Genjutsu manipulates the chakra of the person being targeted. The clone has its seperate pool of chakra not related to the original

didn't notice Bogard's post. Nothing more to be said lol

 

[Strict]

Kakashi and Itachi are around the same level in Taijutsu, but Itachi is by far faster. Kakashi merely fought a clone with 30% of his actual strength. If you want to see Itachi's full potential, look at how he was keeping up with Bee; being so fast that we saw nothing but a shadow moving and turning circles, covering a noticeable distance in an instant. That short combat between Kakashi and Itachi isn't a measurement for Itachi's skills.

In their first encounter, Itachi wasn't even sweating while Kakashi showed Itachi his utmost respect and hyped him, he was chanceless.