Do we still have rights?

[ministerC4]

End of the day the mods have favs, admit it mods ; )

 

[sjcoolz]

Chances are that what you said to "keep it real" caused a flame-war. If you seriously believe that there was nothing wrong with your posts, you should have messaged the admin asking why it was deleted.

This is a private site after all. Their site, their rules.

never knew it was "SORRY MY NINJAS FOR BEING MYSELF AND BEING TRUE TO MYSELF IF I GET BAN FOR BEING MYSELF LET IT BE"

 

[Nooby Kyuubi]

never knew it was "SORRY MY NINJAS FOR BEING MYSELF AND BEING TRUE TO MYSELF IF I GET BAN FOR BEING MYSELF LET IT BE"

But I didn't say 'let it be' lol... I already said if you really feel that you're being done wrong you should talk to an admin about it. Keyword "really".

 

[sjcoolz]

But I didn't say 'let it be' lol... I already said if you really feel that you're being done wrong you should talk to an admin about it. Keyword "really".

ok how do i contact the head homies?

 

[ministerC4]

ok how do i contact the head homies?

:| :| :| :| :| :| :| :| got damn

 

[Nooby Kyuubi]

ok how do i contact the head homies?

Find someone with a dark blue, green, pink or red name and go to their profile and find the "send private message" option.

I'll help start you out with a

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[V h o]

We have rights, but we don't have rights to trample over someone else's rights. "My freedom ends, where yours begins."

There's limits to everything, for example freedom of speech. Take any celebrity whose fame/career was shot down because of one outburst of calling someone something rude.

 

[Aim64C]

ok this is a question i wanted to ask you lot do we really have rights? in the usa we have the bills of rights and constitution. in other countries they got other laws to protect rights. but all in all do we have the rights that they so call say that is god given "and if you are a atheist than your rights you deserve". i think are laws are being taken away from us slowly. also on narutobase now i can't speak my mind over a character without getting a neg rep or ban for a hour. we need our rights backs. we need freedom of speech which also means freedom to bash. we need the right to voice our opinion without being punish for it stupidly.what you guys think you want your rights backs? or do you want to sit by and let them take it from you? also the second amendment could be dabated cause of dumb people miss using the law. also because the second amendment is a unjust law to begin with. but yea what are your opinions?

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I would heartily disagree with you regarding the 2nd Amendment.

You ask if your rights are being taken away from you, and then you say that it is unjust to allow people to have a firearm (if I am interpreting what you are saying, correctly).

The problem in America is that people don't actually understand the concept of rights. Rights are not the right for you to do whatever you want, whenever you want because you are you and born free. That is entirely the wrong perspective of a legal right, as no one can take away your right to choose to do whatever the hell you want to do - all they can do is choose whether or not to punish you for those actions.

Basically - if I want to kill 30 people - it's my right to do so until someone gets upset enough with me to choose to do what is necessary to put a stop to my free choice. No one can ever do anything to prevent me from making that choice - short of chaining me to a wall from birth. The failure of other societies to prevent violent crime through strict laws is a testament to the most common failure of human logic.

A legal right means that the government is prohibited from punishing you for the stated behavior or possession. The Bill of Rights is not a list of things that tell you what you can do. It is a list of things that tells the government what it can not do under any circumstance.

As such, all firearms regulations are unconstitutional and anyone enforcing them shall be arrested and tried for treason.

Of course, we don't have the stomach for that. A few generations later, and we look at government much the way Europe does. We ask it permission to do everything and are happy when it doesn't tell us 'no.'

So, yes, we are losing our rights.

Though they are always yours to reclaim - just be aware that there are tyrants all around who would see your entrails scattered across the lawn for your free actions (even the minor ones - like free speech).

 

[sjcoolz]

I would heartily disagree with you regarding the 2nd Amendment.

You ask if your rights are being taken away from you, and then you say that it is unjust to allow people to have a firearm (if I am interpreting what you are saying, correctly).

The problem in America is that people don't actually understand the concept of rights. Rights are not the right for you to do whatever you want, whenever you want because you are you and born free. That is entirely the wrong perspective of a legal right, as no one can take away your right to choose to do whatever the hell you want to do - all they can do is choose whether or not to punish you for those actions.

Basically - if I want to kill 30 people - it's my right to do so until someone gets upset enough with me to choose to do what is necessary to put a stop to my free choice. No one can ever do anything to prevent me from making that choice - short of chaining me to a wall from birth. The failure of other societies to prevent violent crime through strict laws is a testament to the most common failure of human logic.

A legal right means that the government is prohibited from punishing you for the stated behavior or possession. The Bill of Rights is not a list of things that tell you what you can do. It is a list of things that tells the government what it can not do under any circumstance.

As such, all firearms regulations are unconstitutional and anyone enforcing them shall be arrested and tried for treason.

Of course, we don't have the stomach for that. A few generations later, and we look at government much the way Europe does. We ask it permission to do everything and are happy when it doesn't tell us 'no.'

So, yes, we are losing our rights.

Though they are always yours to reclaim - just be aware that there are tyrants all around who would see your entrails scattered across the lawn for your free actions (even the minor ones - like free speech).

well likei said people abuse our laws and they are taken from us without us even knowing it

 

[Aim64C]

well likei said people abuse our laws and they are taken from us without us even knowing it

That is the brainwashing talking.

Government, at is best is a necessary evil; at its worst, an intolerable one.

Modern governments come from the days when militants would declare themselves 'protectors' of various farmers and tradesmen. Perhaps they would get an honest start - driving away wild animals and other groups of small bandits - but once they had worked themselves out of a job, they began to insist that the locals were able to conduct business because of the efforts and existence of the group of militants.

This would work until a larger group of militants came along and forced the group out of the region, or until the villages refused to pay. If the villages refused to pay and honor the service - it became clear that bandits were generally not well tolerated in much of any society - so the risk was minor and there were always other militant groups that could be called upon to clear out major problems.

If bandits were rare, and the "you need us for protection" fallacy could be exposed - then it became necessary for the continued survival of the militants to ensure that villages paid up. And what better way than to insist that if they did not pay, their business would not be allowed to operate?

Thus, the militants began entitling themselves to the property and wealth of others under their jurisdiction and mandating payment under threat of violence. This describes every modern government. You pay them - or there is hell to pay.

The U.S. was founded under different principles. It was founded under the idea that people did not need large amounts of government or 'protection' to go about their daily business. It held that government had fundamental issues that it should never attempt to regulate, tax, or involve itself in. It was developed with the understanding that people desired a structure of addressing community issues yet did not want it reigning over their personal lives or halting their industrious ambitions.

And so it was - until we began embracing the fallacies. We need the government to protect us from bad food. We need the government to protect us from accepting wages too low for us to survive on (because, you know, we're all suicidally stupid) - we need government to certify buildings as sound, to build roads, and to secure our retirement. Now, we apparently need it to address our healthcare.

We've embraced the fallacy at every end, and have allowed government to become a part of things that it never should have.

You're not too stupid to live. You don't need to government 'securing' any facet of your life. It is the siren's song of yet another warlord to insist that you do.

 

[sjcoolz]

Well all I'm saying is for the government to not forget about its people. The last years it been doing just that. The government job is to protect the people and their rights. Can we trust them? I don't know but I trust them for now.

 

[Takure]

1st amendment : Prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances.

naruto base said no character bashing. which means i'm not allowed to voice my honest opinion about a character or be able to freely talk about a character. even if i were to bash them or not.
=.

This server is hosted outside of America, your Bill of Rights has no power outside America. Not
sure why you're complaining about that...

Want my advice? Follow the rules.

 

[Ldude]

Yeah, I think I got rights. If I went out right now and murdered someone, then I'd have the right to a trial if anyone suspected me, and I think that's beautiful/