Nagato vs Minato (read description first)

[Penguin]

Quit grasping at straws. z.z

 

[Apêx1]

Quit grasping at straws. z.z

Lel, you have not expressed a view point on this matter nor have you made any contribution to this thread. The only thing you did was attempt to clarify 2 points which were already discussed. Nicely done m8.

 

[KidGamer65]

Fair enough.
@Asura not changing the composition of his body. I didn't show evidence you are correct.

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Asura didn't change existing body parts when Nagato used it, it created new mechanical body parts, as shown when Nagato spawned two mechanical arms and used Asura Attacks via those mechanical arms.

I could argue that the Asura Path is completely different from Nagato's body, but it'd make much more sense to simply note how the body part itself was never destroyed and recreated, nor was it covered up by the Asura Armor. It simply became mechanical armor.

-Body parts aren't shown to be recreated.

-Nor are they shown to be under the armor.

Meaning the body part is simply converted to armor, meaning the mark still remains. I don't know how the mark being covered up anyway would change anything, he's still marked.

There is no reason for me to believe he wasn't trying to kill Bee when he struck to kill against Ay, but ended up slicing the tail in half.

That was Ay, not B. He saw the bonds between Ay and B, and decided to teach them a lesson instead. I have no reason to believe B reacted to instantaneous movement. I have zero reason to believe he can react at all when Obito failed to do so.

Anyways, I already stated around 5 times now that people are skipping everything that comes before tagging Nagato, yet another one comes and speaks about the same thing. My main argument was about how Minato's FTG kunai's will not be anywhere near Nagato, Toad summons die to one ST, and Minato will keep having to FTG 100's of meters away and using Hirashin to come back. CT ends him as well. There's no reason to debate if he can tank what comes after the tagging when the tagging will never occur in the first place.

I already stated Nagato wins, but you are simply wrong about your argument for if he gets marked. Do I care about your argument for if he doesn't get marked? No, cause I'm not arguing for Minato. Why would I go through the trouble of showing how he marks him? I'm just pointing out a flaw in your argument as a whole.

 

[Penguin]

Lel, you have not expressed a view point on this matter nor have you made any contribution to this thread. The only thing you did was attempt to clarify 2 points which were already discussed. Nicely done m8.

First off, I don't know what is your problem. I was talking to Gold about Minato running away does not equate to a win, but a loss. Don't worry mate, I shall humor your passive-aggressive reply.

The bold disagrees with the underlined. If I attempted to clarify two major misconceptions, one that was a mistake on your part, then wouldn't I be contributing? By God am I sorry for obnoxiously pointing you out bruv (sarcasm because I did so politely). I thought it was common sense Fuuinjutsu cannot be absorbed by a Ninjutsu absorbing technique. Same with S/T Barrier only redirecting projectiles as opposed to stationary orbs.

And to the red...

Reverse summoning is another simple solution to countering CT. By transporting to Mount myoboku, he can create a clone to run far off into the mountains, mark safe location/plant kunai and then return to the battle field and teleport the CT to mount myoboku. He can even bring it to him since the CT would've engulfed some of Minatos kunai.

Can Minato reverse summon? How do you know he has marks in Myōboku? Assuming Minato's clone doesn't get pelted with missiles or pulled in by CT's gravity, or pasted by CST.

That's the same thing as running away from the match.​

A toad needs to reverse summon him there, he himself cannot do it. Minato has no reason to keep clones in mountains when it is no intel, that would be disgraceful. Minato has shown to be an efficient ninja, he would have 0 reason to put a clone in a far away land and half his chakra for the duration of the fight. And no, he can't teleport CT to Mount Myokubo nor would he ._. Anyways, there will be no kunai's out of the CT range since it's all most likely within the range of its attration radius, thus Minato's only escape mechanism is nullified.

Isn't it a bit ironic, or hypocritical if you will, for you to bluntly point out that I talked about points that were "already discussed", when you did the exact same thing? Hmm.

 

[Minato namikaze123]

But how does Minato touch the Nagato? FTG Kunai's are thrown km's away with little difficulty.
-Asura usage on Nagato tanks any attack by Minato bar Rasengan, which is absorbed via preta.
-Nagato's summons share vision with Nagato himself, and the dog never dies.
-Contract seal doesn't work on them for obvious reasons.
-Soul rip ends Minato.
-Nagato outlasts Minato with his massive chakra reserves.
-Asura laser one shots any Toad.
How exactly does Minato win? He gets outlasted and his kunai's are in positions which are so far away; that they are only viable for escape mechanisms.

he has sage mode jus like naruto did...!!!!
?Minato owns him..!!!

 

[Hiraishin Stage 3]

Chibaku tensei is easily countered by throwing a kunai to the forming rock sphere, it would get stuck to it

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Objects in contact with the mark can be sent away like how the juubi bomb was touching killer bee who had the mark

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[Memento Mori]

What does this have to do with anything? Madara shitted on Minato with negative difficulty, there's nothing you can bring up from this argument to help your case. Nagato doesn't need to react, all he does is use ST to remove any surrounding Kunai's. How does Minato still blitz? Summons are around Nagato to stop such, ST is ready, Asura missiles are usable at any time, Shared vision.. Please know what you are speaking about before posting such nonsense.


Wot? There will be no kunai on the ground, they are cleared with the lowest of difficulty's by a single ST. Ready my previous posts. Don't know what message you are trying to convey at the end, sorry.

What I am saying is.. Minato has no knowledge on it. He will not be teleporting it away if he doesn't feel its attractive force. If he feels it, well by then the Kunai's which are much lighter than him have already been stored in it. How does he teleport it to a previously placed kunai if that kunai is already in the CT? He had a kunai at that time, he no longer does in this situation.

Bunshins are thrown into the CT. Barrier doesn't work. Try again.

How does he grab the core? The only thing he grabs is the rubble surrounding it. Previously placed kunai aren't part of this match up, sorry. Everything that happens during the match counts, what has happened before does not. Again, no where to teleport it...

Not saying it again.

S/T Barrier was TBB sized. Please don't tell me you think this is TBB sized. By the time Minato reaches it, it is at

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size or larger since it is Nagato himself doing it.

As I said in a post before, I am not debating with #1 retard xxxLegacy, no need to waste my time on him.

There is no need for minato to have a intel on CT.He can find the mechanism of how CT works just by observing like he did to so far in many battles.You just Minato can throw the kunai's to far away place from CT range or h can reverse summon to Mt.Myoboku by tagging toad and then to somewhere else where he has his markings.

Bunshins when comes into contact with CT,minato can teleport CT along with Bunshin to far away place he like to.Try again

When minato makes 5 shadow clones to surround the CT around it,CT's gravitation force will attract barrier itself thus self wraping itself to teleport.What make you think Minato can't teleport it to any?He can mark the locations out of CT's range to wrap it away

There is no need for him to grab the core.when Nagato makes CT(At initial black orb stage) he simply throws kunai at that orb and thus teleporting it away(Kunai will reach faster because of CT's Gravitational attraction).In the mean time when Nagato is performing CT,it is only a matter of seconds for Minato to mark him and one shot him.

I am not saying again about the size of TBB and S/T Barrier and CT.I have already said above their how minato can counter CT away

 

[Bogard]

2. Chibaku Tensei is not a projectile and cannot be absorbed via S/T Barrier. CT just expands, but the core lays in one dormant spot. The Barrier might redirect some debris, but the gravitational pull would still affect Minato. To counter that, he would need to get a Kage Bunshin to mark the core and teleport it away, but even that won't do much.

Doesn't need to be a projectile to be absorbed. The CT attracts every target, so it will attract Minato and enter itself in the barrier during the process. Not to mention, it actually warped Jubi's Bijudama instantly without start of process

 

[Minato namikaze123]

Minato owns him..!!!!

 

[Penguin]

Doesn't need to be a projectile to be absorbed. The CT attracts every target, so it will attract Minato and enter itself in the barrier during the process. Not to mention, it actually warped Jubi's Bijudama instantly without start of process

Minato didn't use the barrier to teleport the Juubidama. He used a regular Hiraishin. It does need to be a projectile until you can prove me wrong, or show something that is not a projectile being S/T Barrier'd. No it won't. S/T Barrier is stationary and opens a wormhole that allows projectiles through it and opens another portal at a different mark.

 

[Ababeel]

I always see this projectile argument from Minato's haters...

where was it ever stated that the attacks need to be projectiles?
because Minato only used it against TBB?

does that mean Susanoo's swords only works against mountains/meteors because we only saw that?

Hashirama's Buddha works against only susanoo attacks, and not against anything else because we haven't seen it against
anything else?

...etc

 

[Ababeel]

Minato didn't use the barrier to teleport the Juubidama. He used a regular Hiraishin. It does need to be a projectile until you can prove me wrong, or show something that is not a projectile being S/T Barrier'd. No it won't. S/T Barrier is stationary and opens a wormhole that allows projectiles through it and opens another portal at a different mark.

How did he use his regular FTG to teleport it when he neither touched it, nor has his chakra touching it?
please stop making things up. U_U

 

[Bogard]

Minato didn't use the barrier to teleport the Juubidama. He used a regular Hiraishin. It does need to be a projectile until you can prove me wrong, or show something that is not a projectile being S/T Barrier'd. No it won't. S/T Barrier is stationary and opens a wormhole that allows projectiles through it and opens another portal at a different mark.

Well looks like you didn't get the point. Whether the barrier is used to transfer projectiles or not is besides the point

Do you even get how S/T barrier works? It teleports everything that enters the barrier. It's for that reason that it has been popularily mistranslated as a jutsu only teleporting projectiles

The difference between facing a Bijudama and facing CT is that while the Bijudama is the one going through the barrier to be absorbed, the CT will attract the barrier to be absorbed by it. Get it now?

And by the way, no. It was the S/T barrier that he used against Jubi's Bijudama, not Hiraishin

 

[Penguin]

Well looks like you didn't get the point. Whether the barrier is used to transfer projectiles or not is besides the point

My point is it only absorbs and redirects things that enter the barrier. The barrier is stationary. Whatever enters the barrier needs to be moving. Aka, a projectile.

Do you even get how S/T barrier works? It teleports everything that enters the barrier. It's for that reason that it has been popularily mistranslated as a jutsu only teleporting projectiles

Read above.

The difference between facing a Bijudama and facing CT is that while the Bijudama is the one going through the barrier to be absorbed, the CT will attract the barrier to be absorbed by it. Get it now?

The CT will attract the barrier you say? What proof do you have of the barrier being able to move first off? I highly doubt any tangible object or gravity has any effect on the barrier.

And by the way, no. It was the S/T barrier that he used against Jubi's Bijudama, not Hiraishin

Again, what is your proof? [

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] is a barrier. The Juubidama touched Kirabi, who was marked by the Yondaime Hokage, who then saw the Juubidama touch Kirabi and teleported it to a different Hiraishin mark. That is what I interpreted. [

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] has no barrier.

 

[Bogard]

My point is it only absorbs and redirects things that enter the barrier. The barrier is stationary. Whatever enters the barrier needs to be moving. Aka, a projectile.

My point exactly. When the CT will attract Minato alongside his barrier, the black hole will enter Minato's barrier

The CT will attract the barrier you say? What proof do you have of the barrier being able to move first off? I highly doubt any tangible object or gravity has any effect on the barrier.

Because Minato himself would be moving and the barrier will go along with him. Isn't it obvious?

Again, what is your proof? [

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] is a barrier. The Juubidama touched Kirabi, who was marked by the Yondaime Hokage, who then saw the Juubidama touch Kirabi and teleported it to a different Hiraishin mark. That is what I interpreted. [

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] has no barrier.

Simply because there was a time delay between the warp and the reapparition on the kunai? There is no such a time delay with Hiraishin. Not to mention the distance and impact point that was drawn in a circle-like barrier.

And either you're calling Killer-Bee an idiot for not removing a marked limb that has been casually cut every day and night in this manga or you're giving a new ability to the hiraishin mark that i don't know yet

 

[Gold Lightning]

Quit grasping at straws. z.z

Not sure what you mean, there is no running involved if he's immediately coming back or if he sends a clone.

You people first you guys claim he has no counter to ct. Then when I mention a valid method you deny it because you have no counter for it.

 

[Hiraishin Stage 3]

We should restrict obito from ever going into a separate dimension from the battlefield

 

[Lytes]

Minato wins, He'll use yellow flash mode, Nagato wouldn't be able to react to such speed, he'll rip Nagato's head off or better still, summon Pa and Ma and Toad Song Incapitates Nagato while he decapitates Nagato, If Nagato pulls Pa and/or Ma, the 3 seconds would be more than enough for Minato.

 

[Gold Lightning]

We should restrict obito from ever going into a separate dimension from the battlefield

Indeed U_U

 

[Apêx1]

Asura didn't change existing body parts when Nagato used it, it created new mechanical body parts, as shown when Nagato spawned two mechanical arms and used Asura Attacks via those mechanical arms.

I could argue that the Asura Path is completely different from Nagato's body, but it'd make much more sense to simply note how the body part itself was never destroyed and recreated, nor was it covered up by the Asura Armor. It simply became mechanical armor.

-Body parts aren't shown to be recreated.

-Nor are they shown to be under the armor.

Meaning the body part is simply converted to armor, meaning the mark still remains. I don't know how the mark being covered up anyway would change anything, he's still marked.


That was Ay, not B. He saw the bonds between Ay and B, and decided to teach them a lesson instead. I have no reason to believe B reacted to instantaneous movement. I have zero reason to believe he can react at all when Obito failed to do so.



I already stated Nagato wins, but you are simply wrong about your argument for if he gets marked. Do I care about your argument for if he doesn't get marked? No, cause I'm not arguing for Minato. Why would I go through the trouble of showing how he marks him? I'm just pointing out a flaw in your argument as a whole.

Point taken. Although I still don't understand why having omnidirectional vision, highly proficient sensory abilities, a chameleon summon which can stay behind him while going invisible, and the ability to coat his body with Asura defence and Preta path absorption barrier wouldn't be capable of reacting and defending against the tag. He should notice the tag given it contains some chakra within it and another animal glances at him.

First off, I don't know what is your problem. I was talking to Gold about Minato running away does not equate to a win, but a loss. Don't worry mate, I shall humor your passive-aggressive reply.

The bold disagrees with the underlined. If I attempted to clarify two major misconceptions, one that was a mistake on your part, then wouldn't I be contributing? By God am I sorry for obnoxiously pointing you out bruv (sarcasm because I did so politely). I thought it was common sense Fuuinjutsu cannot be absorbed by a Ninjutsu absorbing technique. Same with S/T Barrier only redirecting projectiles as opposed to stationary orbs.

And to the red...
Isn't it a bit ironic, or hypocritical if you will, for you to bluntly point out that I talked about points that were "already discussed", when you did the exact same thing? Hmm.

Lel. How are they major misconceptions in this thread? I had already stated CT cannot be affected by S/T Barrier and had already conceded that FTG marks cannot be absorbed after around 3 people had said otherwise. There's no clarification when it's already been pointed out, and no clarification implies no contribution. Third sentence makes no sense.

And it is in no way ironic or hypocritical. It took me 6 minutes to write the reply. Unless you are expecting me to sit on the thread writing my post without doing anything else at the same time--or expecting me to refresh the page prior to every post; than I don't see your point. Anyways, even if I had seen the posts, I could have made my post as well. Why? You were merely questioning, since you seem to always keep a neutral stance, MR said it's running away from the match, he didn't deny it. Gold Lightning goes against everything we are saying so that's a laughable quote to put imo. Anyways, I was the one who cleared it up by outright stating he cannot do it. Hence two points stand on my side for this argument; not seeing the previous posts and being the only one to deny it as a whole instead of question it.

There is no need for minato to have a intel on CT.He can find the mechanism of how CT works just by observing like he did to so far in many battles.You just Minato can throw the kunai's to far away place from CT range or h can reverse summon to Mt.Myoboku by tagging toad and then to somewhere else where he has his markings.

Bunshins when comes into contact with CT,minato can teleport CT along with Bunshin to far away place he like to.Try again

When minato makes 5 shadow clones to surround the CT around it,CT's gravitation force will attract barrier itself thus self wraping itself to teleport.What make you think Minato can't teleport it to any?He can mark the locations out of CT's range to wrap it away

There is no need for him to grab the core.when Nagato makes CT(At initial black orb stage) he simply throws kunai at that orb and thus teleporting it away(Kunai will reach faster because of CT's Gravitational attraction).In the mean time when Nagato is performing CT,it is only a matter of seconds for Minato to mark him and one shot him.

I am not saying again about the size of TBB and S/T Barrier and CT.I have already said above their how minato can counter CT away

Orlly? So now Minato knows if a random ball is going to have an attractive gravitational force around it? There's no way to deduct such a thing, Naruto had to tell a more intelligent shinobi when it comes to deduction of countering jutsu; Itachi, about the jutsu. Minato will only find out when it's too late. Again, any kunai thrown will still go back up to the core. Unless you are saying the momentum he is giving the kunai is so superior to what he's shown in the past, that it can somehow overpower a strong gravitational field like CT. Scans of reverse summoning or gtfo. Any present time toads will go poof after ST completely shatters them apart. A weaker form of Deva ST broke the bones of all three toads. A concentrated ST will most definitely kill the single one Minato summons. It's not getting tagged, nor is it being done after CT has been initiated. Anyways, Leaving match is prohibited.

How can you be so sure the bunshin won't go poof from the flying rocks smashing into him? How can you be so sure he can teleport it to a kunai at a far away place when all the kunai's are in the CT itself?.. You can't, hence my point stands. CT remains unaffected.

How does he get kunai's out of CT range.

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multiplied by several times is what a fully healed alive Nagato would be capable of executing. Minato's kunai is in no way, shape or form getting out of that range. Hence, it's sucked into it and any viable escape mechanisms are null and void. Barrier does not move, it is a stationary barrier as shown when TBB makes contact with it and the wind doesn't make it move at all. Saying it can move around is nothing but an attempt to make a new point to counter CT (which wouldn't work either).

Again, assumption. He has no reason to do such so he wouldn't. This also implies Nagato doesn't simply have his massive bird deflect it and take one for the team. If he doesn't chose to do this, he can always use his

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as a substitute with separate hands, albeit on a much larger scale than that one. Anyways, if the CT hasn't begun Nagato has proven to still control it. If it has begun, wel there's no need to control it because the only place it's being teleported is the nearby FTG kunai's that are coming closer and closer to the CT itself. Minato isn't using shunshin when there's a massive attractive field working against him.

Lel, that was no counter. All Kunai's are already at the CT itself, so how does he teleport it away?