Nagato vs Minato (read description first)

[Bronze]

And here is where the S/T barrier come into play. He can absorb the black sphere with the S/T barrier and during the transfer from the initial absorbing point to the kunai, he throws one his kunai at a far distance to escape the range. He already showed he can do that during a S/T transfer [

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You cannot absorb gravity. Especially, a gravity that bends light similar to the functions of Chibaku Tensie. And I said earlier, Minato's kunai's will be limited to this match and they're close to him. [

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[Bogard]

You cannot absorb gravity. Especially, a gravity that bends light similar to the functions of Chibaku Tensie. And I said earlier, Minato's kunai's will be limited to this match and they're close to him. [

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] CT will just be close enough to absorb the whole area.​

Phew i hope you noticed i was being sarcastic when i said Minato prepared his kunais on a battlefield he never was before. Like i've already said, because Minato decided to throw kunais at that distance against Ay doesn't mean he can't throw kunais at farther distance. It was a battle of speed that usually happen in close range distances. He didn't need to throw his kunais at mountain ranges

 

[Penguin]

It seems we need to clarify something or two.

1. Fuuinjutsu cannot be absorbed by ninjutsu absorbers. Preta path is susceptible to Fuuinjutsu like the Hiraishin Fuuin or other fuuinjutsu Minato knows.

2. Chibaku Tensei is not a projectile and cannot be absorbed via S/T Barrier. CT just expands, but the core lays in one dormant spot. The Barrier might redirect some debris, but the gravitational pull would still affect Minato. To counter that, he would need to get a Kage Bunshin to mark the core and teleport it away, but even that won't do much.

 

[Bronze]

Phew i hope you noticed i was being sarcastic when i said Minato prepared his kunais on a battlefield he never was before. Like i've already said, because Minato decided to throw kunais at that distance against Ay doesn't mean he can't throw kunais at farther distance. It was a battle of speed that usually happen in close range distances. He didn't need to throw his kunais at mountain ranges

Okay, he still lacks fire-power to break CT, so the Jutsu will be multiple times bigger than

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. (Keep it in mind that was Pain). So the Jutsu will stay there and get bigger and bigger. It can even get bigger depending how much Chakra Nagato puts in it.​

 

[Gold Lightning]

Reverse summoning is another simple solution to countering CT. By transporting to Mount myoboku, he can create a clone to run far off into the mountains, mark safe location/plant kunai and then return to the battle field and teleport the CT to mount myoboku. He can even bring it to him since the CT would've engulfed some of Minatos kunai.

 

[Penguin]

Reverse summoning is another simple solution to countering CT. By transporting to Mount myoboku, he can create a clone to run far off into the mountains, mark safe location/plant kunai and then return to the battle field and teleport the CT to mount myoboku. He can even bring it to him since the CT would've engulfed some of Minatos kunai.

Can Minato reverse summon? How do you know he has marks in Myōboku? Assuming Minato's clone doesn't get pelted with missiles or pulled in by CT's gravity, or pasted by CST.

 

[Bronze]

Reverse summoning is another simple solution to countering CT. By transporting to Mount myoboku, he can create a clone to run far off into the mountains, mark safe location/plant kunai and then return to the battle field and teleport the CT to mount myoboku. He can even bring it to him since the CT would've engulfed some of Minatos kunai.

That's the same thing as running away from the match.​

 

[Apêx1]

Reverse summoning is another simple solution to countering CT. By transporting to Mount myoboku, he can create a clone to run far off into the mountains, mark safe location/plant kunai and then return to the battle field and teleport the CT to mount myoboku. He can even bring it to him since the CT would've engulfed some of Minatos kunai.

A toad needs to reverse summon him there, he himself cannot do it. Minato has no reason to keep clones in mountains when it is no intel, that would be disgraceful. Minato has shown to be an efficient ninja, he would have 0 reason to put a clone in a far away land and half his chakra for the duration of the fight. And no, he can't teleport CT to Mount Myokubo nor would he ._. Anyways, there will be no kunai's out of the CT range since it's all most likely within the range of its attration radius, thus Minato's only escape mechanism is nullified.

 

[Kagustuchi]

Minato can't use reverse summoning at will. Fukusaku or some other Toad has to summon him.​

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[Gold Lightning]

You guys didn't get my post. Obviously only a toad can reverse summon, which is not a problem since all you have to do a summon a toad and ask them to summon you back to mount myoboku. Or better yet just summon a small toad like Gerotora, mark him, then once he geratora poofs back to myoboku, minato can FTG to the toad or send his clone to do it.

And no it isn't running away, it's all tactical. Especially if it's just a clone doing it. There's plenty of empty land and mountains of mount myoboku, just re watch jirayan chronicles and you'll see all the mountains.

If Sasuke could escape Deidara's C0 using the transportation jutsu (I believe it's called) then so can minato.

 

[Penguin]

You guys didn't get my post. Obviously only a toad can reverse summon, which is not a problem since all you have to do a summon a toad and ask them to summon you back to mount myoboku. Or better yet just summon a small toad like Gerotora, mark him, then once he geratora poofs back to myoboku, minato can FTG to the toad or send his clone to do it.

And no it isn't running away, it's all tactical. Especially if it's just a clone doing it. There's plenty of empty land and mountains of mount myoboku, just re watch jirayan chronicles and you'll see all the mountains.

Well of course running away is tactical opposed to getting your ass kicked. o-o

 

[Bronze]

If Sasuke could escape Deidara's C0 using the transportation jutsu (I believe it's called) then so can minato.

Doesn't count, because Deidara had already committed suicide. And that is running away in my book.​

 

[Gold Lightning]

Well of course running away is tactical opposed to getting your ass kicked. o-o

Hashirama ran away in his fight against madara, but all it was is a tactical retreat. It's not unheard of. Obitos transportation technique sends his body to the kamui dimension, so technically he's constantly running away since his body doesn't even exist on the same plane anymore.

Doesn't count, because Deidara had already committed suicide. And that is running away in my book.​

Well sorry for you. Not my problem if you think that's running away, it's not like it's forfeiting the match, all it is is minato preparing a strategy which requires him to go to another location. Apis minato sends a clone to do all that dirty work and his original self remains on the battlefield, is that still running away?

When Obito snuck up on minato and tried to kamui him, minato teleported to another location did he not? But the fight still continued after that, I don't know who made up your rule of leaving the battlefield equals a loss or running away LMAO. Obito still chased after minato did he not U_U

 

[Lariatoo]

Wow... I had no idea that this thread could get that popular...
Yay for me! *self high five*

But guys...
Rememver the description: no killing involved!

 

[Bronze]

Well sorry for you. Not my problem if you think that's running away, it's not like it's forfeiting the match, all it is is minato preparing a strategy which requires him to go to another location. Apis minato sends a clone to do all that dirty work and his original self remains on the battlefield, is that still running away?

When Obito snuck up on minato and tried to kamui him, minato teleported to another location did he not? But the fight still continued after that, I don't know who made up your rule of leaving the battlefield equals a loss or running away LMAO. Obito still chased after minato did he not U_U

Too bad that was part of the plot, when this is strictly match-up. Don't worry, moment Minato does that, it's automatic loss.​

 

[KidGamer65]

I disagree. All of the links either were showing weakened people or potentially unaware people. Bee disagrees. Anyways, until someone can prove to me that Nagato gets marked, and cannot remove the mark by using Asura, I have no reason to debate the point of reacting to it.

Being weakened is something you can use as a counter, but being aware isn't. Obito got blitzed, that is really all there is to it. Not sure how him being unaware that Minato marked him changes his reaction timing. Minato teleported to him, attacked, and Obito couldn't react.

Even if Touken is wrong and striking speed is still a factor (Which it isn't) Obito failed to react after Minato marked him. Why would Nagato react? You might say that Obito was unaware, but how does that change his reaction timing? How does that even matter when Nagato won't be aware when he gets hit.


And Minato wasn't even trying to kill B, so that is a non applicable example.

Also for your Asura Path point, its also wrong. Nagato has NEVER shown the ability to change his actual body into mechanical parts. He's only shown the ability to create more mechanical parts. Not to mention you have shown no evidence for how your view on Asura Path's workings.


Nagato still wins, but if he gets marked, its over. He isn't going to remove the marking via Asura for the reason listed above, and because he can't react. And he's not going to react, at all.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Too bad that was part of the plot, when this is strictly match-up. Don't worry, moment Minato does that, it's automatic loss.​

Well keep following your own rules, you must have some vs thread guideline rulebook or something that says ninja aren't allowed to temporarily leave the battlefield or make strategic retreats. These are ninja, not Z fighters, strategy is allowed

Not sure why a clone isn't allowed to go, considering the original minato still remains on the battlefield.

And I guess according to you that Obitos kamui has to be restricted in all vs threads since he's sending his body parts to another dimension, meaning he's left the battlefield.

 

[Kagustuchi]

Since people are arguing them. Standard requirements for a loss are as follows

• Death
• Incapacitation (Rendering unable to fight. This includes Sealing or completely restricting movement for an indefinite time)
• BFR (By ****ing ringout. In other words, a combatant leaving or being removed from the field of battle without a way to return)

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[Gold Lightning]

Since people are arguing them. Standard requirements for a loss are as follows

• Death
• Incapacitation (Rendering unable to fight. This includes Sealing or completely restricting movement for an indefinite time)
• BFR (By ****ing ringout. In other words, a combatant leaving or being removed from the field of battle without a way to return)

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Well it's a good thing FTG allows him to return

 

[Apêx1]

Being weakened is something you can use as a counter, but being aware isn't. Obito got blitzed, that is really all there is to it. Not sure how him being unaware that Minato marked him changes his reaction timing. Minato teleported to him, attacked, and Obito couldn't react.

Even if Touken is wrong and striking speed is still a factor (Which it isn't) Obito failed to react after Minato marked him. Why would Nagato react? You might say that Obito was unaware, but how does that change his reaction timing? How does that even matter when Nagato won't be aware when he gets hit.


And Minato wasn't even trying to kill B, so that is a non applicable example.

Also for your Asura Path point, its also wrong. Nagato has NEVER shown the ability to change his actual body into mechanical parts. He's only shown the ability to create more mechanical parts. Not to mention you have shown no evidence for how your view on Asura Path's workings.


Nagato still wins, but if he gets marked, its over. He isn't going to remove the marking via Asura for the reason listed above, and because he can't react. And he's not going to react, at all.

Fair enough.
@Asura not changing the composition of his body. I didn't show evidence you are correct.

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There is no reason for me to believe he wasn't trying to kill Bee when he struck to kill against Ay, but ended up slicing the tail in half.

Anyways, I already stated around 5 times now that people are skipping everything that comes before tagging Nagato, yet another one comes and speaks about the same thing. My main argument was about how Minato's FTG kunai's will not be anywhere near Nagato, Toad summons die to one ST, and Minato will keep having to FTG 100's of meters away and using Hirashin to come back. CT ends him as well. There's no reason to debate if he can tank what comes after the tagging when the tagging will never occur in the first place.