Bad Touch Yakushi
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Or understand the true point of what 'Talk no Jutsu' actually is or represents.
Honestly the two fanbases are so alike, with their intellectual and shallow fans.
Establishing that everyone who tried to manipulate Sasuke failed at the end
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Honestly the two fanbases are so alike, with their intellectual and shallow fans.
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Lord Tywin
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Don't generalize man. We have good members of the both sides. I agree I've seen more trolls among sasuke and naruto fans.
Bad Touch Yakushi
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I wouldn't but as an unbiased Shippuden fan who sees lots of both Naruto & Sasuke discussed, it's a surprisingly accurate generalisation.
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Sasuke was manipulated. Just because Sasuke went against their wishes at the very end. Doesn't mean he didn't do what they said.
Fact:
Orochimaru temptations of power manipulated his inferiority complex to desert his village in search of power
Obito revealing the truth manipulated Sasuke into capturing the 8-tails, and being set on the path to destroy konoha, leading the nations into war.
Itachi manipulated Sasuke's inferiority complex in order to make him have more anger and hunger for power
If you want, i'll show scans of Sasuke going through textbook manipulation
Fact:
Orochimaru temptations of power manipulated his inferiority complex to desert his village in search of power
Obito revealing the truth manipulated Sasuke into capturing the 8-tails, and being set on the path to destroy konoha, leading the nations into war.
Itachi manipulated Sasuke's inferiority complex in order to make him have more anger and hunger for power
If you want, i'll show scans of Sasuke going through textbook manipulation
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The plans did not go their way, but they still got enough work out of Sasuke to meet their means. Atleast Obito and Itachi did.
I mean Obito got Sasuke to kill Danzo, try to capture Killer B, and destroy konoha and have the countries in conflict with one another. Had it not been for Itachi and Hashirama talking sense into him. He would of done something horrible to innocent people, making him no better than Danzo.
You see Hashirama and Itachi didn't talk sense into him. He decided it on his own. Sasuke didn't put countries in conflict. In fact they united under one. Obito never got Shisuis eye and never synced him to Gedo. Obito didn't get anything but Sasuke got Itachi's eyes.
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Wtf? You are so damn biased. First off obito did not get sasuke to kill danzo, that was a goal of sasuke after hearing the truth that danzo was the true culprit of his clans massacre, the one who gave itachi the orders and made him suffer. Sasuke went there to kill him for itachis sake, "one down ni-san" is what sasuke says after he stabbed danzo. Obtio didn't make him do it, sasuke actually planned on doing it. Sasuke didn't want to destroy konoha not because of obito, he made the decision himself after hearing what obito told him. Sasuke was emotionally vulnerable after his battle with itachi, so what obito did was take advantage of that to tell him the truth. He left out the part were he was the one who brought the kyuubi to konoha which made the village suspect the uchihas so you can say he twisted the story a bit to get sasuke on his side. He didn't say anything like "sasuke you should destroy konoha for what they did to itachi", but sasuke actually made the decision himself. You act like hashirama just magically appeared out of nowhere, talked to sasuke and sasuke changed. NO sasuke was the one who wanted to talk to the hokages, he specifically requested oro to summon them so he can get some anwers, if not then hashirama will not have been there. Meeting with itachi and hashirama was sasukes choice and he was the one who made the decision himself.
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Why Sasuke joined Obito - I guess many need a reminder here:
- The deal was a Bijuu in exchange for 8-tails to take revenge on Konoha:
Taka's discussion at the hide-out solidifies this:
This was a mission based on negotiation - he got something for Obito and he would lend him something in return. Not a bad deal. In fact, Sasuke repeatedly stated that they were doing it his way, not Obito's way:
Let's not forget how he attacked Obito in the forest and outright told him that he wasn't his chummy team mate. He's the lease manipulated Uchiha out of the list:
- Itachi - Manipulated easily by Konoha's establishment to murder his entire clan for Nationalism. The worst example of manipulation yet.
- Shishui - committed suicide for Konoha's cause.
- Kagame - Tagged along with a man who segregated his brethren, and manipulated into believing that it was somehow for the good of all.
- Obito - Manipulated by Madara.
- Madara - Manipulated, not by the Tablet, but by Zetsu.
So, how is Sasuke easily manipulated, when he verified the Uchiha massacre story from every person involved, including Danzo? This base just loves to spew unfounded garbage. Sasuke gets things done and he does what's in his best interest. That's the definition of a liberated man.
- The deal was a Bijuu in exchange for 8-tails to take revenge on Konoha:
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Taka's discussion at the hide-out solidifies this:
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This was a mission based on negotiation - he got something for Obito and he would lend him something in return. Not a bad deal. In fact, Sasuke repeatedly stated that they were doing it his way, not Obito's way:
You must be registered for see links
Let's not forget how he attacked Obito in the forest and outright told him that he wasn't his chummy team mate. He's the lease manipulated Uchiha out of the list:
- Itachi - Manipulated easily by Konoha's establishment to murder his entire clan for Nationalism. The worst example of manipulation yet.
- Shishui - committed suicide for Konoha's cause.
- Kagame - Tagged along with a man who segregated his brethren, and manipulated into believing that it was somehow for the good of all.
- Obito - Manipulated by Madara.
- Madara - Manipulated, not by the Tablet, but by Zetsu.
So, how is Sasuke easily manipulated, when he verified the Uchiha massacre story from every person involved, including Danzo? This base just loves to spew unfounded garbage. Sasuke gets things done and he does what's in his best interest. That's the definition of a liberated man.
Why Sasuke joined Obito - I guess many need a reminder here:
- The deal was a Bijuu in exchange for 8-tails to take revenge on Konoha:
Taka's discussion at the hide-out solidifies this:
This was a mission based on negotiation - he got something for Obito and he would lend him something in return. Not a bad deal. In fact, Sasuke repeatedly stated that they were doing it his way, not Obito's way:
Let's not forget how he attacked Obito in the forest and outright told him that he wasn't his chummy team mate. He's the lease manipulated Uchiha out of the list:
- Itachi - Manipulated easily by Konoha's establishment to murder his entire clan for Nationalism. The worst example of manipulation yet.
- Shishui - committed suicide for Konoha's cause.
- Kagame - Tagged along with a man who segregated his brethren, and manipulated into believing that it was somehow for the good of all.
- Obito - Manipulated by Madara.
- Madara - Manipulated, not by the Tablet, but by Zetsu.
So, how is Sasuke easily manipulated, when he verified the Uchiha massacre story from every person involved, including Danzo? This base just loves to spew unfounded garbage. Sasuke gets things done and he does what's in his best interest. That's the definition of a liberated man.
- The deal was a Bijuu in exchange for 8-tails to take revenge on Konoha:
You must be registered for see links
You must be registered for see links
You must be registered for see links
Taka's discussion at the hide-out solidifies this:
You must be registered for see links
You must be registered for see links
This was a mission based on negotiation - he got something for Obito and he would lend him something in return. Not a bad deal. In fact, Sasuke repeatedly stated that they were doing it his way, not Obito's way:
You must be registered for see links
Let's not forget how he attacked Obito in the forest and outright told him that he wasn't his chummy team mate. He's the lease manipulated Uchiha out of the list:
- Itachi - Manipulated easily by Konoha's establishment to murder his entire clan for Nationalism. The worst example of manipulation yet.
- Shishui - committed suicide for Konoha's cause.
- Kagame - Tagged along with a man who segregated his brethren, and manipulated into believing that it was somehow for the good of all.
- Obito - Manipulated by Madara.
- Madara - Manipulated, not by the Tablet, but by Zetsu.
So, how is Sasuke easily manipulated, when he verified the Uchiha massacre story from every person involved, including Danzo? This base just loves to spew unfounded garbage. Sasuke gets things done and he does what's in his best interest. That's the definition of a liberated man.
