Jiraiya is stronger than Itachi

[Demonic.]

Lol, like itachi is weaker than pein... You play to much.

Okay here is this for abc logic

Itachi >>>Orochimaru

Orochimaru>>>Jiraiya

There for, itachi>>>>>>Jiraiya.

See how that throws your thread off?

Jiraiya surpassed Orochimaru with sage mode. Databooks say Jiraiya and itachi are equal for a reason.

 

[LOCKKO REE]

This series and viewers only support sasuke and itachi, they will never agree on this point because they don't want to.... what they do here is posting threads like "itachi solos" and "sasuke solos" .....

On the other hand if you see the stats and old episodes, it is crystal clear that jiraya is the most strongest ninja who even stomped pains but due to lack of knowledge he was killed

Jiraya >>> itachi

 

[Legendary Toad Sage]

Well duh.... !

Jiraiya is fab..fab...fabulous

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No seriously let people continue to completely discredit the manga, and twist and bend the context because they don't want to believe the information presented to them. Itachi said what he said, and that's honestly the end of this discussion.

 

[madvictory]

nope, Itachi wrecks Jiraiya

Itachi > Orochi > Jiraiya

simple logic, and that rasengan definitely couldn't break through a level 3 susanoo

Well, Itachi said Jiraiya would kill him and Kisame even if they teamed on him.

Well, just because
Itachi > Orochimaru and Orochimaru > Jiraiya doesn't mean Itachi > Jiraiya.
because A>B and B>C doesn't mean A>C.

Also, I doubt Orochimaru is stronger than Jiraiya, but that's not the point of this thread.

 

[madvictory]

bro its common knowledge the edos come out weaker than their alive versions, bro u just solo'd ur own thread lol

Nah, that's only the case if you have Rinnegan, funny-man.

 

[UltimateDeadpool]

nope, Itachi wrecks Jiraiya

Itachi > Orochi > Jiraiya

simple logic, and that rasengan definitely couldn't break through a level 3 susanoo

Ok, we're using "simple" logic?

Drugged Jiraiya > Sick & Armless Orochimaru > Hebi Sasuke > Sick Itachi

bro its common knowledge the edos come out weaker than their alive versions, bro u just solo'd ur own thread lol

Itachi could only benefit from Edo Tensei since he got a completely restored body and eyes, also giving him immortality and can never run out of chakra, making him automatically far more powerful than he ever was alive.

Besides, when was it stated that any of them were weaker except for Hashirama and Tobirama? Was there a scene I missed where Itachi was said to be weaker?

Tobirama's comment might have a different meaning. See when Orochimaru puts the fudas in them, they get more powerful but it erases their personalities. Orochimaru didn't put those fudas in them this time, so they are at "almost" full strength.

 

[ShiroT]

Totaly agree, SM Jiraiya is deadly, would have been a close match between Itachi and Jiraiya, but Jiraiya wins, he killed 4 pains!

jirairy after stalling killed 4 without even fighting the strongest 1 or even all 6 being there. Jirairy has no counter to all 6

 

[ShiroT]

This series and viewers only support sasuke and itachi, they will never agree on this point because they don't want to.... what they do here is posting threads like "itachi solos" and "sasuke solos" .....

On the other hand if you see the stats and old episodes, it is crystal clear that jiraya is the most strongest ninja who even stomped pains but due to lack of knowledge he was killed

Jiraya >>> itachi

jirairy cant beat tendo pain let alone all of them at the same time.

what are jirairy's counter to itachi's jutsus? he has none

Itachi > jirairy

 

[Demonic.]

jirairy after stalling killed 4 without even fighting the strongest 1 or even all 6 being there. Jirairy has no counter to all 6

They are comparing Jiraiya to Itachi, not Pain. The fact that Jiraiya killed 4 Pains is just one of Jiraiyas feats. Pain the strongest akatsuki member admitted he would've lost if Jiraiya had known his secret. Yet people say Itachi easily defeats Jiraiya.

 

[ToshiZO]

Itachi and Jiraiya are portrayed to be around the same level. The only thing that really hurts Jiraiya's case is that Itachi makes his fellow Sannin (who is arguably stronger than Jiraiya) look like his pet. Itachi would defeat Jiraiya imo.

 

[Demonic.]

Itachi and Jiraiya are portrayed to be around the same level. The only thing that really hurts Jiraiya's case is that Itachi makes his fellow Sannin (who is arguably stronger than Jiraiya) look like his pet. Itachi would defeat Jiraiya imo.

Orochimaru was a big target, Susano has a big sword, orochimaru was careless and when the Totsuka stabbed him he laughed saying did you think that could beat me? Jiraiya would not be careless and he's not an easy target for Totsuka. Not to mention if he used Susano he'd die in 5 minutes. Orochimaru didn't have his arms. If he did Orochimaru would've used Edo Tensei anyway.

 

[ShiroT]

They are comparing Jiraiya to Itachi, not Pain. The fact that Jiraiya killed 4 Pains is just one of Jiraiyas feats. Pain the strongest akatsuki member admitted he would've lost if Jiraiya had known his secret. Yet people say Itachi easily defeats Jiraiya.

and i say jirariy cant beat tendo without running and trying to use frog song

and i still believe itachi ? jirairy because jirairy cant counter ms techs

 

[sindi1997]

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[UltimateDeadpool]

Itachi and Jiraiya are portrayed to be around the same level. The only thing that really hurts Jiraiya's case is that Itachi makes his fellow Sannin (who is arguably stronger than Jiraiya) look like his pet. Itachi would defeat Jiraiya imo.

1st encounter: Orochimaru is weakened, dying, has no killing intent. He is also an immortal regenerating freak that giggles when he's chopped to pieces, losing a hand literally means nothing to him. He couldn't take Itachi's body, so he left.

2nd encounter: Orochimaru is a weakened disembodied spirit stuck to a growth on Sasuke's neck that, incorrectly, assumed Susanoo's giant sword was harmless to him.

Also note that Orochimaru never used Edo Tensei against Itachi.

and i say jirariy cant beat tendo without running and trying to use frog song

and i still believe itachi ? jirairy because jirairy cant counter ms techs

Everything you believe is wrong then, for canon reasons.

Jiraiya dominated 3 Peins simultaneously once he figured out their abilities, then with one arm and almost no jutsus he had a tango with all six and they still couldn't beat him until he stopped fighting. Pein believed he would had lost without his secret.

Also, the manga reinforces SM = MS:
Jiraiya = Itachi
Naruto = Sasuke
Hashirama = Madara

 

[ShiroT]

1st encounter: Orochimaru is weakened, dying, has no killing intent. He is also an immortal regenerating freak that giggles when he's chopped to pieces, losing a hand literally means nothing to him. He couldn't take Itachi's body, so he left.

2nd encounter: Orochimaru is a weakened disembodied spirit stuck to a growth on Sasuke's neck that, incorrectly, assumed Susanoo's giant sword was harmless to him.

Also note that Orochimaru never used Edo Tensei against Itachi.



Everything you believe is wrong then, for canon reasons.

Jiraiya dominated 3 Peins simultaneously once he figured out their abilities, then with one arm and almost no jutsus he had a tango with all six and they still couldn't beat him until he stopped fighting. Pein believed he would had lost without his secret.

Also, the manga reinforces SM = MS:
Jiraiya = Itachi
Naruto = Sasuke
Hashirama = Madara

yet jirairy has no counter to itachi's ms techs.

hashirama beat madara twice.

naruto > sasuke.

and your wrong its not that they couldnt beat him, he hid in another dimension so they couldnt find him and even after he tried to 1v1 the one pein he stabbed him in his shoulder

 

[Demonic.]

yet jirairy has no counter to itachi's ms techs.

hashirama beat madara twice.

naruto > sasuke.

and your wrong its not that they couldnt beat him, he hid in another dimension so they couldnt find him and even after he tried to 1v1 the one pein he stabbed him in his shoulder

Jiraiya has no counters for Itachi's MS?


Tsukuyomi: Shadow Clone, Itachi uses it on a clone and it's over for Itachi. Also it's a close range attack. And it requires eye contact. Furthermore, it doesn't kill. Sage Mode Jiraiya has two partners on his shoulder. And I'm sure all his summons will be out.


Amaterasu: Fire seal. Shadow Clone. Substitution. Speed (Sasuke Ran From It). Toad Subjugation. Earth Style to block.


Susano: Swamp of the Underworld. Keep his distance. 5 minutes of Susano will kill Itachi.

 

[xxSAGExx]

Itachi edo is stronger than his regular self. Itachi was sick. He couldn't spam attacks.

No, Edo Itachi is weaker, he gains the benefit of not being sick but his stats are all lower, same with other edo tensei's. Madara shown greater speed when he was revived than edo Madara for instants and Hashirama said Madara got his old powers back as well. Edo's don't have infinite chakra either, they can run out of chakra as shown with Minato and Hashirama; it just takes time to refill. Jiraiya is stronger than Itachi overall though, Itachi's illness and MS side effect is what tips the scale in his favor.

jirairy cant beat tendo pain let alone all of them at the same time.

what are jirairy's counter to itachi's jutsus? he has none

Itachi > jirairy

Amaterasu can be countered with Shadow clone, earth jutsu, fire jutsu, oil. Amaterasu burns what it hits so it will stop to burn a fire ball, earth wall, or clone. Itachi also need to close his eye to build up chakra which leaves time for Jiraiya to use one of the jutsus mentioned. Tsukuyomi needs to be close range, have eye contact and Itachi needs to close his eye to build up the chakra which leaves time for a counter attack. Susanoo will sink from swamp of the underworld or be takened down from frog song (Ma toad use dust cloud to hide their location and he can use it where yata mirror isn't blocking, they would do this after learning that Yata block attacks and that's if it can block genjutsus which isn't attacks). Kabuto's sound genjutsu took down Sasuke's and Itachi's Susanoo and Frog song is stronger since it paralyzes the body and mind.

Itachi and Jiraiya are portrayed to be around the same level. The only thing that really hurts Jiraiya's case is that Itachi makes his fellow Sannin (who is arguably stronger than Jiraiya) look like his pet. Itachi would defeat Jiraiya imo.

Nope, you make it seem like A>B>C when it's not. Jiraiya has his own fighting style and you never seen Oro and Jiraiya seriously fight to kill at full power. Oro never had killing intent with Itachi since he wanted his body, however he does fail the first time by being weaker, he fails the second time for having lack of info that the sword was totsuki blade. What hurts Itachi's case is his illness that prevent him from going all out or else he'll start to cough up blood and die, the side effect pain from his MS jutsus, low stamina and him being a pacifist which is why Itachi usually doesn't attack first but does after he is attacked.

yet jirairy has no counter to itachi's ms techs.

hashirama beat madara twice.

naruto > sasuke.

and your wrong its not that they couldnt beat him, he hid in another dimension so they couldnt find him and even after he tried to 1v1 the one pein he stabbed him in his shoulder

Amaterasu: shadow clones, fire jutsus, oil, earth jutsu can all block the attack since its stops to burn what it hits. Tsukuyomi: need to be in close range, need eye contact, need to close eyes to build up. Jiraiya can have clones attack non-stop, have Ma toad use dust cloud, Chou oodama rasengan is so big that no eye contact will happen and boil oil will force Itachi to use Susanoo to block it. Susanoo will get sink by swamp of the underworld which at 30% power, Jiraiya made one large enough to sink a giant summon.

The 6 paths came out after Jiraiya was exhausted, he was first fighting 1 pein then 3 (which he killed), got surprised attacked and lost an arm then all 6 came.

Jiraiya has no counters for Itachi's MS?


Tsukuyomi: Shadow Clone, Itachi uses it on a clone and it's over for Itachi. Also it's a close range attack. And it requires eye contact. Furthermore, it doesn't kill. Sage Mode Jiraiya has two partners on his shoulder. And I'm sure all his summons will be out.


Amaterasu: Fire seal. Shadow Clone. Substitution. Speed (Sasuke Ran From It). Toad Subjugation. Earth Style to block.


Susano: Swamp of the Underworld. Keep his distance. 5 minutes of Susano will kill Itachi.

Agreed ^^^

 

[hatake axel]

Firsts things first.
People keep putting Edo Itachi over alive Itachi, when Madara and Tobirama clearly stated that they were not at their full potential while Edo. Minato clearly ran out of chakra,
so an Edo chakra pool is equal or smaller than their alive chakra pool. (Even tough it restores it has a limit at some point. A point wich Edo Itachi did not hint to reach)
With that said, alive Itachi would be more fair fight.

Jiraiya is one of the strongest in NV. Not considering the Juubi Jinchurikis or Naruto and Sasuke.
But people need to understan the Itachi's statement about him and Kisame together losing to Jiraiya can't be taken in to seriously, Itachi is, well, A BIG LIAR. One just doesn't trust something that Itachi said.

Jiraiya is a good mach up againts Pain, but A>B and B>C is not always A>C. One could argue that sence Naruto stated that Nagato's techniques were faster in (Naruto, Killer Be and Itachi vs Nagato) than in Pain invasion, and by Itachi's performance, that Itachi has more chances at beating Pain that Jiraiya.
Anyway, im falling of topic.

Jiraiya has no counter to genjutsu in his base form, and as we all know thats how Itachi likes to start his fights. Jiraiya is not a sensory type and can't sense where Itachi is unless he looks at him, so if he wants to fight Itachi and not get cought in genjutsu, he has to do so by just looking at his feet. Wich is extremly hard, and would leave him open to either Amatetasu, or a kunai thrown at his head

 

[madvictory]

yet jirairy has no counter to itachi's ms techs.

hashirama beat madara twice.

naruto > sasuke.

and your wrong its not that they couldnt beat him, he hid in another dimension so they couldnt find him and even after he tried to 1v1 the one pein he stabbed him in his shoulder

Please stop arguing and accept that Itachi has no way to beat Jiraiya.
SM Jiraiya simply uses Undead Oil Lake (which he used against Orochimaru) to drown him
and then proceeds to use a Giant Rasengan on his Susano'o.

PS: There is no need for the Rasengan because there is literally nothing Itachi can do while drowning.

 

[SageOfTheTenPaths]

Please stop arguing and accept that Itachi has no way to beat Jiraiya.
SM Jiraiya simply uses Undead Oil Lake (which he used against Orochimaru) to drown him
and then proceeds to use a Giant Rasengan on his Susano'o.

PS: There is no need for the Rasengan because there is literally nothing Itachi can do while drowning.

If Jiraiya uses toads as cover and has DI: Tcc ready Itachi would be cought in a fatal Genjutsu, plus his needles and hair have an almost unlimited range, plus oil bullets are at lighting speed, this combined with SM speed and Ultra Rasengan gives Itachi a big problem. Jiraiya takes this mid-diff-