Senju admits Uchiha is the strongest clan

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People forget how EMS Madara took on about a dozen Senju Hashirama and Tobirama included. Tobirama defeated Izuna? Big deal. We all know the guy was always an underhanded opportunist. None of his techs save the Edo Tensai are worth more than a few laughs. Yet people here believe he can actually last against an MS user with amaterasu and Susano'o to boot. Laughable.

It's a bit obvious that Indra was a better successor and stronger and so would be his lineage. It's only through SM that Hashirama even gained a better footing, otherwise, Tobirama wouldn't have died a paranoid middle-aged whiner, forever scheming to keep a clan out of politics, who were obviously - according to this base - so inferior than him.

I agree with OP wholeheartedly.
 

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Uchihas killed senjus and senjus killed uchihas... If you take away Indra and ashura away from senju and uchiha I believe the average uchiha with sharingan would defeat a senju
 

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Uchihas killed senjus and senjus killed uchihas... If you take away Indra and ashura away from senju and uchiha I believe the average uchiha with sharingan would defeat a senju

you speak as though hashirama killed every uchia during their war
 

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Tobirama once said Uchiha is unmatched when it comes to potential.

Tobirama said it in the new Anime episode this morning too. Hashirama is still stronger though. Madara had to use hashi-cells to beat him. Overall the Uchiha are far more powerful than Senju. Hashirama is an anomally.
 

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Tobirama once said Uchiha is unmatched when it comes to potential.

Hashirama was the one who kept the Senju on top, but we have so many great Uchiha's who surpassed the strongest senju.

1. Madara
2. Sasuke
3. Obito
4. Indra

I think even the great Itachi could have defeated Hashirama if there was no intel on him. KA Shisui, must I go on?

The only Senju we could look up to now is Tsunade, which is quite sad honestly... Even with 99% of the Uchiha clan massacred they managed to surpass their long rivals.

Uzumaki clan is not worth mentioning since they are nowhere near the level of Uchiha. Naruto is quite strong, but with no one else to back it up is mainly the reason why they're not competing.

Nope, Obito said Hashirama and his clan were respected by every other shinobi clan as being the best..... Respected and feared . I know Obito twisted a lot of the truth to manipulate Sasuke but there's no reason to lie about the Senju clan, if only Hashirama was stronger than he could have said that but he said and the clan. No Itachi can't beat Hashirama, he can't even beat Obito or Madara who both can't beat Hashirama. If Shisui was so strong then he wouldn't have lost to Danzo then commit suicide.

If you take out Hashirama and Madara out then that leaves Tobirama who killed a ninja equal to Madara. Tobirama and Hashirama fought Madara and Izuna so if the Uchiha clan had more stronger ninjas then they would overwhelm the Senjus but that wasn't the case. When Tobirama killed Izuna, he tipped the power even more in Senju favor and even the Uchihas knew this . The only reason there's more Uchihas is because Kishi left out the Senjus in all part one but Tsunade and her brother, it could be that they married into other clans but that isn't known.

The Uzumaki clan is part of the Senju clan since they came from the Senju clan some time long ago and the Senju clan came from Ashura lineage so since the Uzumaki come from the same lineage and the Senju were there first, Uzumaki is part of Senju. You can say Hyuuga is part of Uchiha but that's still shakey since it was said the Sharingan came from the byakugan so that would mean the Uchiha is part of the Hyuuga but we know the Uchiha are from Indra lineage so we don't know if the Hyuuga is considered the same or they could be from the Sage's brother; we only know they are from Kaguya's lineage somehow.

Timeline wise there was: Uchiha-Dajima (Madara's dad), Madara, Izuna for ninjas we actually know the name of. Senju-Butsuma, Hashirama, Tobirama. Uzumaki-Mita (who became 9 tails jin and had at least KM since she could sense evil intent like KM Naruto).

Current time: Uchiha- Obito, Itachi, Shisui, Sasuke. Senju-Tsunade. Uzumaki- Kushina (9 tails jinchuuriki with sealing jutsus and chakra chains), Nagato, Naruto, and Karin.

That's the list of fighters that we know of some of their powers, was going to include Shisui's dad and Sasuke/Itachi dad but we only seen them but don't know even 1 of their jutsus. I added Kushina because she's the one who taught Minato sealing jutsus, have chain chains strong enough to hold down full kurama and was Kurama's jinchuuriki.

More Uchihas are know is all but the Senjus known can take out those on the Uchiha list (maybe not Tsunade but Mito having at least KM of full kurama with sealing jutsu seems tough) and the Uzumaki have all strong fighters and 1 healer.

Tobirama said the Uchihas can get stronger with hate and they did .
 

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After he swallowed Hashi dna (I bet it tasted well, he had an unhealthy obsession with hashi after the fight) he became a hybrid.
His name remains Uchiha but the genetic codes in his body were over written. Please try harder. 'tard.

So apparently you know the sciencd and biology in the world of Naruto of putting a piece of meat in a wound. Please think harder tard'.
 

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We're talking about the era of Warring States.

In which case, Madara, Itachi, Shisui and Obito were all below Hashirama. And Tobirama stands a chance against Itachi, Shisui and Obito.

Juubi jin 3rd eye Madz, Juubi jin Obito, Sasuke can take on Hashirama with low difficulty. This is not a debate which clan is superior. I'm stating the obvious. Senju might have been stronger in the past, edging it out thanks to Hashirama, but now Senju are insects compared to Almighty Uchiha.

Tobirama said it in the new Anime episode this morning too. Hashirama is still stronger though. Madara had to use hashi-cells to beat him. Overall the Uchiha are far more powerful than Senju. Hashirama is an anomally.

Sorry, can you repeat this? Hashirama is still stronger? I was quite sure we woulnt hear much from Madara as a character in this thread, because he should be considered a God. But there is still a Hashi fan out there who dares to say Hashirama is still stronger.

Nope, Obito said Hashirama and his clan were respected by every other shinobi clan as being the best..... Respected and feared . I know Obito twisted a lot of the truth to manipulate Sasuke but there's no reason to lie about the Senju clan, if only Hashirama was stronger than he could have said that but he said and the clan. No Itachi can't beat Hashirama, he can't even beat Obito or Madara who both can't beat Hashirama. If Shisui was so strong then he wouldn't have lost to Danzo then commit suicide.

If you take out Hashirama and Madara out then that leaves Tobirama who killed a ninja equal to Madara. Tobirama and Hashirama fought Madara and Izuna so if the Uchiha clan had more stronger ninjas then they would overwhelm the Senjus but that wasn't the case. When Tobirama killed Izuna, he tipped the power even more in Senju favor and even the Uchihas knew this . The only reason there's more Uchihas is because Kishi left out the Senjus in all part one but Tsunade and her brother, it could be that they married into other clans but that isn't known.

The Uzumaki clan is part of the Senju clan since they came from the Senju clan some time long ago and the Senju clan came from Ashura lineage so since the Uzumaki come from the same lineage and the Senju were there first, Uzumaki is part of Senju. You can say Hyuuga is part of Uchiha but that's still shakey since it was said the Sharingan came from the byakugan so that would mean the Uchiha is part of the Hyuuga but we know the Uchiha are from Indra lineage so we don't know if the Hyuuga is considered the same or they could be from the Sage's brother; we only know they are from Kaguya's lineage somehow.

Timeline wise there was: Uchiha-Dajima (Madara's dad), Madara, Izuna for ninjas we actually know the name of. Senju-Butsuma, Hashirama, Tobirama. Uzumaki-Mita (who became 9 tails jin and had at least KM since she could sense evil intent like KM Naruto).

Current time: Uchiha- Obito, Itachi, Shisui, Sasuke. Senju-Tsunade. Uzumaki- Kushina (9 tails jinchuuriki with sealing jutsus and chakra chains), Nagato, Naruto, and Karin.

That's the list of fighters that we know of some of their powers, was going to include Shisui's dad and Sasuke/Itachi dad but we only seen them but don't know even 1 of their jutsus. I added Kushina because she's the one who taught Minato sealing jutsus, have chain chains strong enough to hold down full kurama and was Kurama's jinchuuriki.

More Uchihas are know is all but the Senjus known can take out those on the Uchiha list (maybe not Tsunade but Mito having at least KM of full kurama with sealing jutsu seems tough) and the Uzumaki have all strong fighters and 1 healer.

Tobirama said the Uchihas can get stronger with hate and they did .

This is wall of text I stopped reading when I saw you use the past sentence. I dont want to argue who was superior back in the day. Some say they were equal, some say Senju edged it out. Thats not the point of this thread.

I took all the shinobi Senju and Uchiha could provide and compared them. And I came to an conclusion that Uchiha shits on Senju.
 

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thats no news.
MS Obito and shusui beat hashi.
Even itachi has a chance depending on scenarios
 

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-_- The only reason those Uchiha surpassed the Senju is because they took the Senju DNA. Hashirama beat Madara until he took Senju DNA and gained the rinnegan. So the only way for Uchiha to win is take their own rival's dna. BTW Indra is not a Uchiha he is a Ootuski his descendants are Uchiha. Besides who did the Sage chose for his successor thats right Ashura.
 

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This is wall of text I stopped reading when I saw you use the past sentence. I dont want to argue who was superior back in the day. Some say they were equal, some say Senju edged it out. Thats not the point of this thread.

I took all the shinobi Senju and Uchiha could provide and compared them. And I came to an conclusion that Uchiha shits on Senju.

That's not really comparable you know. . . why?

Well, the Uchiha Clan has been the center of attention a lot through the series and much more characters of the Clan have been shown and developed, on the other hand the Senju Clan had like a three and a half characters that had a better development. . . :erm:
 

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That's not really comparable you know. . . why?

Well, the Uchiha Clan has been the center of attention a lot through the series and much more characters of the Clan have been shown and developed, on the other hand the Senju Clan had like a three and a half characters that had a better development. . . :erm:

If Senju clan was comparable then we would have been introduced by Hashirama's successor already. Its almost embarassing to see that senju members are struggling for a spot in top 10. Uchiha has 3 Shinobi who are easily top 10 with few others who have the potential.
 

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If Senju clan was comparable then we would have been introduced by Hashirama's successor already. Its almost embarassing to see that senju members are struggling for a spot in top 10. Uchiha has 3 Shinobi who are easily top 10 with few others who have the potential.

Every single top 10 uchia except sasuke either stole or borrowed power from the senju soooooo... yea..
 

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Nah hashirama wasn't the one keeping them ontop solely, yes he was the only one (and probably tobirama) to test madara. But there were other senju who beat down the lesser uchihas.

Heck in this time of senju vs uchiha, a senju was renowned for her genjutsu ability. Against uchihas :x senju ftw
 

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This cant get more obvious.

Uchiha
Senju



1. Kaguya
2. Madara
3. Hagoromo
4. Hamura
5. Sasuke
6. Naruto
7. Obito
8. Guy
9. Sage Kabuto Edo Army
10. Indra
11. Ashura
12. Senju Orochimaru Edo army
13. Nagato
14. Hashirama
15. Itachi
16. Minato
17. Hiruzen
18. Shisui
19. 3rd Raikage
20. Kakashi
 
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Obito and Madara needed to take Hashirama's power and get access to the Juubi in order to surpass him.

Sasuke needed to get half of Rikudo Sennin's power to surpass Hashirama.

Indra was inferior to Ashura, as stated by Black Zetsu.
 
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