[Theory] Hagoromo was unable to preform "Creation of All Things"...

[Shinato]

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The two newest chapters, chapter 680 & 681 has given us some useful information in regards to Hagoromo and Hamura. Most important of all though, we got a confirmation that Kaguya was indeed at least a part of the Juubi and that it was sealed within the moon by both Hagoromo and Hamura, not only one. (We also got to see Hamura's face, and let me say he looks a lot better than Hagoromo!) Now, lets get to the point. Hagoromo is not able to use "Creation of All Things" by himself. Now why am I saying this? Well for starters we have only seen one of Hagoromo's hands close up, which held the "Symbol of the Sun", same as Naruto and this symbolizes "Yang". By that logic, we can guess that Hamura held the "Symbol of the Moon", the same as Sasuke which symbolizes "Yin". Combining these two powers, one is able to preform "Creation of All Things" which is perhaps what Sasuke & Naruto are planning on using in order to create Kaguya into the core of a Chibaku Tensei in order to seal her again. (Creating a secondary moon, to symbolize Naruto's tale about teamwork and not loneliness as the moon up until this point has been "lonely" in the "darkness" of space.) I believe that this is what Hagoromo & Hamura once did, costing one of them their life. (However, if this is a requirement for the jutsu or not is unknown. It may be like "Alchemy" in "Full Metal Alchemist". In order to preform "Creation of All Things", one of its users has to die. Furthermore it may be that the one who dies it completely erased from history besides the parts involved in the Jutsu. Which is why only Hagoromo, Black Zetsu and Kaguya remembers Hamura. While he seems to written out of history completely.) This will mean that Sasuke & Naruto are most likely planning on doing the same thing. But again, why am I saying that Hagoromo cannot preform "Creation of All Things" even when he gave the Yin and Yang chakra to Naruto & Sasuke so they could do it? Its simple, even though he has the required chakra he would need a counterpart on pair with him like his brother in order to do it. I believe that what they've meant with this; "When a mix of two opposites forces are mixed perfectly, peace can be created." Its the basic understanding and idea of "Creation of All Things". You will need to two opposites forces that are equally powerful and powerful enough for the jutsu to work. This way, no mere duo if Shinobis could use it nor someone as strong as Hagoromo alone. It doesn't matter how little or much power you have, you need two people to be strong enough to cast the Jutsu and you need these two opposites to work together and this is a rare thing. "Creation of all Things", the strongest of all jutsus can only be cast when two complete opposites work together for a fellow goal. I also think that this was the case with Hagoromo and Hamura, simply based off their facial expressions. Hagoromo is angry while Hamura is calm, much like Naruto & Sasuke. Now over to a secondary point. Neither Sasuke, nor Naruto will die. I just said that I think "Creation of All Things" requires a sacrifice, whom may be forgotten and erased from history itself for everyone but the parts included. But I don't think Naruto & Sasuke will be the sacrifice, nor do I think any of Team 7 will be it. No I think the one who will give their life, their very existence is Obito Uchiha. A way for him to make up for his sins and showing he is a true Shinobi. Because as we know a true Shinobi is: "Self-sacrifice… A nameless shinobi who protects peace within its shadow… That is a true shinobi." By giving his life and being erased from history, Obito will protect world peace and the Shinobi world from its very shadows and he will remain nameless as no one but the parts involved will remember him. (Meaning Sasuke, Naruto and Kaguya. Maybe Black Zetsu too.) Obito will become the Shinobi he has always wanted to be and our heroes will live on to maintain the peace and world Obito so deeply wished for. Sasuke and Naruto will be remembered as the heroes, while in reality Obito was as well. It would be a little ironic, even the Uchiha though Hashirama would be the one to bring peace, so did Hagoromo when he place his beliefs in Ashura and not Indra. Everyone believed that the "Yang" would bring peace, but in the end it may be the "Yin" that will do so. I would also be a little symbolic, in the start of Shippuden. Naruto offers up his chakra in order to help Chiyo save Gaara. Now in the end of Shippuden, they are doing the same just in a much larger scale, Obito is giving up his life and existence in order to save the Shinobi world, the peace and most of all the friends he so deeply care for. He said it himself, he doesn't want to be an ally of the Alliance, he wants to make up for his sins and then die. (This will also explain why Obito is still around at all.)

 

[RaitonOniKairRasengan]

I agree to a point but I also believe that whoever has the sage body/ the sage eyes( Rinnegan, Naruto, or both like Nagato) is capable of using COAT to a smaller degree than when first used as the juubi jinchuriki

 

[Tobi98]

He can't just be the Yang (body) cuz he has the Rinnegan (Yin)

Hagoromo was always the Yin and Yang so for all we know he might have the symbols in both hands

 

[Rohan]

Then how were the Bijuus created ?

 

[Shinato]

I agree to a point but I also believe that whoever has the sage body/ the sage eyes( Rinnegan, Naruto, or both like Nagato) is capable of using COAT to a smaller degree than when first used as the juubi jinchuriki

Creation of things is the jutsu that can give imagination a shape and then breath life into them. Naruto has only shown to be able to breath life into already existing shapes. Nagato preformed Rinne no Tensei which costed him his life, in the end that may be a weaker for or a jutsu based of COAT as its a jutsu that takes the users life as a sacrifice.

 

[A$AP Wap]

Hago's brother looks better than him.

 

[Seventh Sama]

Then explain how hagoromo created the bijuus with c.o.a.t?

 

[Shinato]

Then how were the Bijuus created ?

The Bijuu's are Yin, they are already shapes as Chakra has a shape when its solid enough. The Bijuu's chakra already had a shape, like the Juubi. Though they had no mind, no lives what so ever. Hagoromo used his Yang abilities to breath life into their shapes, like Naruto has shown with Gai and Kakashi.

 

[Shinato]

Then explain how hagoromo created the bijuus with c.o.a.t?

It was stated that Hagoromo also sealed the Gedo Mazo and created the moon on his death bed, that was proven wrong. The Bijuu's are Yin, they are already shapes as Chakra has a shape when its solid enough. The Bijuu's chakra already had a shape, like the Juubi. Though they had no mind, no lives what so ever. Hagoromo used his Yang abilities to breath life into their shapes, like Naruto has shown with Gai and Kakashi.

 

[RaitonOniKairRasengan]

Creation of things is the jutsu that can give imagination a shape and then breath life into them. Naruto has only shown to be able to breath life into already existing shapes. Nagato preformed Rinne no Tensei which costed him his life, in the end that may be a weaker for or a jutsu based of COAT as its a jutsu that takes the users life as a sacrifice.

That's what I said, to a smaller degree they can both use it.

 

[Youngkhalifa]

Then how were the Bijuus created ?

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[Seventh Sama]

It was stated that Hagoromo also sealed the Gedo Mazo and created the moon on his death bed, that was proven wrong. The Bijuu's are Yin, they are already shapes as Chakra has a shape when its solid enough. The Bijuu's chakra already had a shape, like the Juubi. Though they had no mind, no lives what so ever. Hagoromo used his Yang abilities to breath life into their shapes, like Naruto has shown with Gai and Kakashi.

.......... :|

 

[Mikeuhsomething36]

There are many things wrong with first let me discredit this. HAGOROMO USED CREATION OF ALL THINGS TO SEPERATE THE JUUBI INTO NINE BEAST /THREAD. Btw the bijuu didn't already have a shape...only the juubi existed the sage created the bijuu out of the juubi. It's like breaking H2O into hydrogen and oxygen. Hagoromo gave them shape as you see with the kyruubi where it has yin and yang meaning the juubi have both they were created by hagoromo.

now on to other things hagoromo isn't angry that's just a face when hagoromo talked to Naruto he was very calm and asserting he wasn't anger at all he was very analytical.

another thing you saw ONE hand and you assume he's yang. By your logic if I looked at naruto's left hand there is nothing there BUT does that mean he has no sun mark? NO it's on his right hand. Hagoromo showed one hand the moon was on the left while sun on the right.

Hamura probably had yin and yang too or wuji, wuji is the absence of yin and yang. They can both use COT just on a much smaller scale than kaguya however hagoromo+hamura=kaguya.

I see what you were trying to say however

 

[A$AP Wap]

Then how were the Bijuus created ?

Orochimaru's lil' dance looks funny.

 

[Shinato]

That's what I said, to a smaller degree they can both use it.

That may be. But that wouldn't explain why Rinnegan carries a much bigger payment. It would make more sense that if the Rinnegan allows you to preform a weaker version of it as it holds both Yin and Yang, seeing how you will need to awaken it using both. If Naruto had the Rinnegan then he may have been able to use it on a weaker scale. But Madara, Obito and Nagato all had one thing in common. They had a body of their counterparts and eyes of themselves. (Opposite of Nagato's case)

 

[Rohan]

Orochimaru's lil' dance looks funny.

He was having a Hobo Dance.

 

[IceLolly]

I think Hamura somehow transfered his Yin power into Hagoromo before he died. I assume he died even before Hagoromo had kids because we didn't see him in any of those flashbacks.... Maybe as you say during sealing process.

The reason why I think this is, if Hagoromo had only Yang he couldn't have gift Sasuke Yin power.

 

[Shinato]

There are many things wrong with first let me discredit this. HAGOROMO USED CREATION OF ALL THINGS TO SEPERATE THE JUUBI INTO NINE BEAST /THREAD.

now on to other things hagoromo isn't angry that's just a face when hagoromo talked to Naruto he was very calm and asserting he wasn't anger at all he was very analytical.

another thing you saw ONE hand and you assume he's yang. By your logic if I looked at naruto's left hand there is nothing there BUT does that mean he has no sun mark? NO it's on his right hand. Hagoromo showed one hand the moon was on the left while sun on the right.

Hamura probably had yin and yang too or wuji, wuji is the absence of yin and yang. They can both use COT just on a much smaller scale than kaguya however hagoromo+hamura=kaguya.

I see what you were trying to say however

The latest chapter confirms that it was both Hagoromo and Hamura who sealed the Juubi into the Moon, not Hagoromo alone. Beyond that, it would mean that its chakra had to be parted before sealing it. Meaning that Hagoromo and Hamura parted the chakra, sealed the Juubi into the moon and sealed the chakra into Hagoromo as Hamura was the "sacrifice" to the jutsu. He is clearly not calm when Kaguya remembers him, while Hamura is clearly calm. Naruto and Hagoromo both has Yang Symbols on their right hands. While Sasuke and (maybe) Hamura has the Yin symbol on their left hand. Again, this is not solid proof but logical it makes sense. (Seeing how that is the case with Sasuke and Naruto and it would be no reason to introduce Hamura if Hagoromo could do it alone.) If one person could preform Creation of All Things in a much smaller scale, then that would simply be a basic Jutsu. (Which is what Jutsus are, COAT in a smaller scale.)

 

[Mikeuhsomething36]

That's not how COT works to use it you need both the moon and sun mark. OR the capability to use izanagi, izanagi though is derived from COT with eye cost. Most likely to use the original COT you need the sun yang mark and the moon yin mark.

negato didn't have the sharningan or the marks so he couldn't use it.

 

[IceLolly]

There are many things wrong with first let me discredit this. HAGOROMO USED CREATION OF ALL THINGS TO SEPERATE THE JUUBI INTO NINE BEAST /THREAD. Btw the bijuu didn't already have a shape...only the juubi existed the sage created the bijuu out of the juubi. It's like breaking H2O into hydrogen and oxygen. Hagoromo gave them shape as you see with the kyruubi where it has yin and yang meaning the juubi have both they were created by hagoromo.

now on to other things hagoromo isn't angry that's just a face when hagoromo talked to Naruto he was very calm and asserting he wasn't anger at all he was very analytical.

another thing you saw ONE hand and you assume he's yang. By your logic if I looked at naruto's left hand there is nothing there BUT does that mean he has no sun mark? NO it's on his right hand. Hagoromo showed one hand the moon was on the left while sun on the right.

Hamura probably had yin and yang too or wuji, wuji is the absence of yin and yang. They can both use COT just on a much smaller scale than kaguya however hagoromo+hamura=kaguya.

I see what you were trying to say however

If you re-read 681 more carefuly you can see that Hamura had Yin on his left hand.