[Predictions] Doflomingo vs Sabo

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Sabo wins high diff til we see more from both of them
I think mister Shichibukai who rocked the war should get the benefit of the doubt over a kid with a pipe.

Untill we see more of him...

There is nothing to justify the Sabo wank at this stage, besides the fact that he is new and oh boy that's so exciting, It's like Christmas morning for some of you, who can't wait to play with their new toy.

"They are being held back, the whole lot of them"
"They are being held back"
"Are being held back"
"Are being"
No intention
No arrival
Already happening
I'm sure you don't need a first grade grammar lesson, do you?
Yeah well, maybe if you carefully read my post you didn't need to waste this piece of the internet to try and lecture me. But keep going an write unrelated stuff, I didn't expect counter arguments from you anyway.
 
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I think mister Shichibukai who rocked the war should get the benefit of the doubt over a kid with a pipe.

Untill we see more of him...

There is nothing to justify the Sabo wank at this stage, besides the fact that he is new and oh boy that's so exciting, It's like Christmas morning for some of you, who can't wait to play with their new toy.
Chief of staff of the revolutionary army meaning he is 2nd to Dragon, I don't think you get that position by being just a "kid with a pipe"

He fodderized Burgess and Diamante with his haki vs theirs.

He now has the mera mera making him stronger

The Sabo wank is real
 
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Chief of staff of the revolutionary army meaning he is 2nd to Dragon, I don't think you get that position by being just a "kid with a pipe"

He fodderized Burgess and Diamante with his haki vs theirs.

He now has the mera mera making him stronger

The Sabo wank is real
Kuma and Ivankov who were Dragons previous 'highest' executives, and they got toyed with in the war. Kuma by Ivankov and Ivankov by Akainu. So numbers and things like '2nd only to Dragon mean shit' Especially since we don't even know how strong Dragon is. For all we know he is just a brilliant tactician leading an army, without any great fighting powers. He is like the Kong of the rev's

He fodderized no one, He fodderized an elbow pad and a sword. Diamante and Burgess were completely fine.

He now has a fruit which he doesn't fully control yet, while Ace had it for years and still was able to get burned.

The Sabo wank is a big balloon that will be popped in the coming chapters if you really think that he will take down an admiral.
 

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Kuma and Ivankov who were Dragons previous 'highest' executives, and they got toyed with in the war. Kuma by Ivankov and Ivankov by Akainu. So numbers and things like '2nd only to Dragon mean shit' Especially since we don't even know how strong Dragon is. For all we know he is just a brilliant tactician leading an army, without any great fighting powers. He is like the Kong of the rev's

He fodderized no one, He fodderized an elbow pad and a sword. Diamante and Burgess were completely fine.

He now has a fruit which he doesn't fully control yet, while Ace had it for years and still was able to get burned.

The Sabo wank is a big balloon that will be popped in the coming chapters if you really think that he will take down an admiral.
Kuma and Ivankov were only mentioned as members of the revolutionary army, Kuma is just as strong as Doffy. Dragon is obviously strong everyone shits their pants when the hear his name, they all him the devil himself. Most wanted/dangerous man. and Sabo is 2nd to him.

I said his haki fodderized their haki and nothing changes the fact that Sabo got the mera mera and won the match, when both burgess and diamante were giving it their all to get the mera mera themselves

Yes he doesn't fully have control of the fruit but he has the basics down. And what ace getting burnt have to do with this? this is a doffy vs Sabo thread not Akainu vs Sabo

Believe in The Sabo wank
 

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He is holding nothing back. The fight hasn't even started. There is just some fodder on fire and everybody is having a big stare-off. Besides we don't even know the motives of Fujitora, maybe he doesn't even want to fight.

It's just a cliffhanger page, and if Sabo was swapped out with Bartolomeo who did the same I wonder if everybody would also call this a 'feat' and start making threads of him being admiral level. Or if they would say, next week Fujitora will kick his ass...

Pica stopped held back Zoro for a couple of chapters, does that mean Pica is stronger than Zoro ? No, because that's not how that works.
I know you hate everyone who says Sabo is strong but there is no way that you can say that there is no reason to think that Sabo is in fact very powerful

Don't post as if you are absolutely correct
 
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Kuma and Ivankov were only mentioned as members of the revolutionary army, Kuma is just as strong as Doffy. Dragon is obviously strong everyone shits their pants when the hear his name, they all him the devil himself. Most wanted/dangerous man. and Sabo is 2nd to him.

I said his haki fodderized their haki and nothing changes the fact that Sabo got the mera mera and won the match, when both burgess and diamante were giving it their all to get the mera mera themselves

Yes he doesn't fully have control of the fruit but he has the basics down. And what ace getting burnt have to do with this? this is a doffy vs Sabo thread not Akainu vs Sabo

Believe in The Sabo wank
Kuma and Ivankov were already besides Dragon in Chapter 0, Ivankov had a personal den den Mushi and was personally called by Dragon. He was obviously more than regular member.

Kuma is not just as strong Doffy, I don't know where you got this from.

Dragon probably is strong, but we've seen nothing of him yet.

Yes Sabo won a match, but he didn't win a fight.

Why the Ace example is relevant, Ace could be burnt because he was cocky and Sabo can be cut/crushed because he is cocky

I know you hate everyone who says Sabo is strong but there is no way that you can say that there is no reason to think that Sabo is in fact very powerful

Don't post as if you are absolutely correct
Don't put words in my mouth, I don't hate anyone because they have a different opinion. However, at this point I am the onlyh one who can back my arguments. The Sabo camp arguments are based on hype and hope. There is no doubt that he is powerful, but Sabo is not defeating admirals.
 

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Kuma and Ivankov who were Dragons previous 'highest' executives, and they got toyed with in the war. Kuma by Ivankov and Ivankov by Akainu. So numbers and things like '2nd only to Dragon mean shit' Especially since we don't even know how strong Dragon is. For all we know he is just a brilliant tactician leading an army, without any great fighting powers. He is like the Kong of the rev's

He fodderized no one, He fodderized an elbow pad and a sword. Diamante and Burgess were completely fine.

He now has a fruit which he dbbesidoesn't fully control yet, while Ace had it for years and still was able to get burned.
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The Sabo wank is a big balloon that will be popped in the coming b if you really think that he will take down an admiral.
I have to agree with love cook on this one. We haven't seen enough of Sabo to justify he is admiral level. Ace thought he was admiral level and got burned and besides, fujotoria just got introduced, I don't think he will get beat so early.
 
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Kuma and Ivankov were already besides Dragon in Chapter 0, Ivankov had a personal den den Mushi and was personally called by Dragon. He was obviously more than regular member.

Kuma is not just as strong Doffy, I don't know where you got this from.

Dragon probably is strong, but we've seen nothing of him yet.

Yes Sabo won a match, but he didn't win a fight.

Why the Ace example is relevant, Ace could be burnt because he was cocky and Sabo can be cut/crushed because he is cocky



Don't put words in my mouth, I don't hate anyone because they have a different opinion. However, at this point I am the onlyh one who can back my arguments. The Sabo camp arguments are based on hype and hope. There is no doubt that he is powerful, but Sabo is not defeating admirals.
I'm not putting words in your mouth you become extremely aggressive on the topic and most of all you won't accept even a little leeway and admit that there is a possibility that you may be wrong, I said that exact thing the last time we talked about the topic and you still called me an idiot (or something i don't remember, you were offensive anyway) and you were beyond stubborn

I on the other hand admit that it is possible that I am wrong

As for "based on hype" everyone from Roger to Mihawk, most Marines, the Yonko ... EVERYONES reputation is based on HYPE

You can argue your view all you want but don't put ppl down or call arguments which are reasonable irrelevant
 

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I'm not putting words in your mouth you become extremely aggressive on the topic and most of all you won't accept even a little leeway and admit that there is a possibility that you may be wrong, I said that exact thing the last time we talked about the topic and you still called me an idiot (or something i don't remember, you were offensive anyway) and you were beyond stubborn

I on the other hand admit that it is possible that I am wrong

As for "based on hype" everyone from Roger to Mihawk, most Marines, the Yonko ... EVERYONES reputation is based on HYPE

You can argue your view all you want but don't put ppl down or call arguments which are reasonable irrelevant
Now you're doing it again, don't put words in my mouth

* I don't put people down
* And I never speculate about characters based on hype like Roger or Mihawk

But all arguments based on hype ARE irrelevant until proven otherwise, if you want to argue based on manga facts then I will acknowledge that. But for now Sabo is still an unknown. It's weird to speculate that he is immediately stronger than an admiral or Doflamingo.

Therefore I won't give any leeway if someone says that Sabo mid-diffs Doflamingo. Because there is no one in the OP verse who is capable of doing that with the exception of yonkou maybe. This is how it was for the past 15 years and this is how it will be for the next 15. Oda has a very carefully built a powerscale and people who fangasm in the section like this fail to see that,
 

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I think mister Shichibukai who rocked the war should get the benefit of the doubt over a kid with a pipe.

Untill we see more of him...

There is nothing to justify the Sabo wank at this stage, besides the fact that he is new and oh boy that's so exciting, It's like Christmas morning for some of you, who can't wait to play with their new toy.



Yeah well, maybe if you carefully read my post you didn't need to waste this piece of the internet to try and lecture me. But keep going an write unrelated stuff, I didn't expect counter arguments from you anyway.
Not to sound like an internet tough guy, but what you say on this subject really doesn't matter at this point. What is fact, right now, is "the whole lot of them are being held back" by Sabo. This isn't someone who is far away and hearing about this happening, this is someone who has witnessed it all go down while it's going down. This is an enemy of Sabo's, so he has no reason to hype Sabo up and make him feel better.

The whole lot of them include Admiral Fujitora, Vice-Admiral Bastille, and thousands of Marine foot.
"Are being held back" means the action of them being held back has already started, and is currently still happening. If you say someone "is running", you don't picture them putting on their running shoes, or just arriving at the track do you? No, you picture them already running, already in motion, already doing the action. You cannot ignore what the laws of grammar mean in and for exposition just to convenience yourself and your opinion. Yeah, Fuji could just be holding back and hasn't gotten serious with Sabo yet. He could bust out some powers and whoop his ass, so we shouldn't hype him. But I could just as easily say that Sabo, right now, is using a power he has gotten that very day only, and is still holding them back. I could just as easily point out that Sabo isn't currently going all out either. I could say "Maybe Sabo has orders from Dragon not to stir up too much trouble, so he's going to not go all out at all and simply distract Fujitora and his Marines to buy his allies some time. Shit, maybe he came up with that order himself."

Sabo is second in command to a large organization, second only to Dragon himself and ahead of the likes of Kuma and Ivakanov. Neither of whom were manhandled by the way. And if you wanna say "Oh Iva was manhandled by an Admiral", well, that could easily backfire on you. Sabo is stronger than Iva, or at the very least, ranked higher, so then he must be pretty close to Admiral level.

Whether you want to admit it or not, the manga has currently given us information that hypes Sabo to Admiral level. If the manga gives us information that shows otherwise, then all will happen is our opinions will need to be accommodated, and you'll get your e-cookie in whatever e-mail you registered in this site with.
 
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