[VS] SM Hashirama and SM Jiraiya and Minato vs. RM Sasuke

[LuckyMan]

That is an estimated calc of how far Madara needed to travel to be out of his range, it isn't an exact math. And I'd like to see how Sasuke loses at all, let alone mid difficulty.

If it isn't an exact math how could you come to an exact 100 meters?

Jman starts in SM, so Frog Sound ends him. Sasuke was vulnerable to Tayuyas super weak genjutsu and needed his brother to use Tsukuyomi on him to break him from it, this was of course because its power was enhanced by Kabutos SM. Jmans Frog Sound is even stronger than that. So strong that Nagato lost control completely of all his paths affected by it. He had to send out the final 3 because first 3 were completely incapacitated.

It goes to show just how strong that jutsu is because the paths are dead bodies with no nervous system, they are controlled by the rods in their bodies. The genjutsu should not have even affected the paths because genjutsu attacks the nervous system yet Frog Sound is of such a level that it did anyway and the rinnegan was helpless against it.

 

[ARGUS]

Sasuke still wrecks them

--Jiraiya and Minato and Hashirama,, all three are far inferior to JJ Madara in terms of everything, and seeing how the latter got severed in half and struggled to counter his S/T jutsu, i see no reason to believe how these guys even stand a chance with having no intel at all

--Hashirama starting in base makes it even worse, and minato being alive makes him a non factor along with jiraiya,

--Sasuke proceeds to bisect them with his PS

 

[LuckyMan]

Sasuke still wrecks them

--Jiraiya and Minato and Hashirama,, all three are far inferior to JJ Madara in terms of everything, and seeing how the latter got severed in half and struggled to counter his S/T jutsu, i see no reason to believe how these guys even stand a chance with having no intel at all

--Hashirama starting in base makes it even worse, and minato being alive makes him a non factor along with jiraiya,

--Sasuke proceeds to bisect them with his PS

ABC logic only works in DBZ bruh.

 

[Conspirator.]

ABC logic only works in DBZ bruh.

Wrong, ABC logic works when the power difference between characters are colossal, as is the case here. The only times ABC logic doesn't work is when the power levels of the characters are similar, for example the mid tier akatsuki members.(sasori,deidara,kakuzu,kisame)

 

[RustledJimmies]

If it isn't an exact math how could you come to an exact 100 meters?

Jman starts in SM, so Frog Sound ends him. Sasuke was vulnerable to Tayuyas super weak genjutsu and needed his brother to use Tsukuyomi on him to break him from it, this was of course because its power was enhanced by Kabutos SM. Jmans Frog Sound is even stronger than that. So strong that Nagato lost control completely of all his paths affected by it. He had to send out the final 3 because first 3 were completely incapacitated.

It goes to show just how strong that jutsu is because the paths are dead bodies with no nervous system, they are controlled by the rods in their bodies. The genjutsu should not have even affected the paths because genjutsu attacks the nervous system yet Frog Sound is of such a level that it did anyway and the rinnegan was helpless against it.

Look again, I didn't say it is exactly 100 m.

 

[LuckyMan]

Look again, I didn't say it is exactly 100 m.

Okay I see. It still does not change my premise though.

All of them can counter Susanoo. Hashiramas Wood Dragons eats it. His Wood Hands grab it legs grabs its swords, and wing to immobilize it like

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. Minato can just hop on it and mark it that way and teleport it away from Sasuke. If one can be pulled from Susanoo then the opposite is also true, Susanoo can be pulled from its user. Jmans sage enhanced Deep Earth Swap can immobilize it. His Frog Sound penetrates it and Sasuke is finished.

His so called teleport is situational because we have yet to receive an explanation of what it exactly is. Just because Madara said "He didn't simply move" does not mean it was a teleport. Could be advanced body flicker, since thats not moving normally, like Shisui. Don't get me wrong, I think Sasuke is teleporting myself and its a pretty unique skill if he is. I just think that until we know exactly what hes doing we cant jump to gun so fast and if I'm defending Sasuke I don't use it in my arguments because I don't fully understand it. However, I will continue this as if he is teleporting and as if its range is 100 meters.

Okay so his teleport would be useless in this fight for several reasons.

Hashirama and his team can ride atop his large avatars, the Buddha for example. At that height Sasuke will not be able to reach them where a Hashirama can still use all the moves I mentioned earlier to eat Susanoo and immobilize it. Jman can still use his sage enhanced Deep Earth Swap, and Frog Sound. His teleport is a visual move it seems ( see I'm not even sure about this lel) and like all visual moves its range is mostly limited to what Sasuke can see. If Sasuke can't see his target how can he teleport to them? Ma and Pa are on Jmans shoulders so they can spit put that huge dust cloud now Sasuke can't see anything, yet we have Ma + Pa who can sense Sasuke, Hashirama who can sense him in SM, and Minato who can sense him regularly. All three of them can pinpoint his location and he is helpless to all their techniques. He would need to keep PS active at this point to avoid any major attacks but Wood Dragon Eats it etc and hes swiftly defeated.

If things get really tough Minato can mark both his partners and they can escape any danger together if need be. Oh and there is always the RDS, Minato becomes a good sport and takes one for the team. I can't see Sasuke beating them all at once. Individually is another story, but all at once... I highly doubt it.

 

[ARGUS]

ABC logic only works in DBZ bruh.

when comparing reflexes and reaction feats
Then yes. A>B>C logic works

 

[Ultimateone]

smh, folks really need to reread this manga.
sasukes ps hasnt shown anything? it was sliing meteors that are much bigger than mountains. those meteors dwarf hashiramas buddha by miles so its much stronger than madaras soosao. mate that sasukes s/t jutsu that you are downplaying allowed him to move his sword through juubi madaras chest, allowed him to teleport madara in between narutos rasengan and his chidori. juubi madara>>>>> those 3 ninjas. those 3 are nothing in the might of sasuke currently. honestly, shame on you for underating sasuke. your post was extremely laughable.

OT. sasuke negs this guys. his way faster than them so he simply blitzes. or he brings out his soosano and slaughters them all.

actually your comment is the laughable one. ok, so sasuke's susano cut up some chibaku tensie. you shoul realize thats not as good a feat as you think it is. if you look at the panels where he cuts them, he cuts them many times, so it's not as if he is slising them out of existence or anything. by that same token, madara sliced the tops of multiple mountains off. he did this at a distance without making contact with his sword. so sasuke slicing those chibaku tensie multiple times, not that big of a feat. also they are still only rocks, hashirama's buddha is a jutsu that is made from chakra and thus don't have the same properties as regular wood, hence how it can catch bijuu dama without breaking. as i said about the teleporting jutsu, all sasuke did was switch places with his sword and madara impaled himself by running into it. he did not teleport the sword into him. if he could do that he would have done the same to kaguya. so shameon youfor overrating a character, sasuke loses.

 

[Conspirator.]

actually your comment is the laughable one. ok, so sasuke's susano cut up some chibaku tensie. you shoul realize thats not as good a feat as you think it is. if you look at the panels where he cuts them, he cuts them many times, so it's not as if he is slising them out of existence or anything. by that same token, madara sliced the tops of multiple mountains off. he did this at a distance without making contact with his sword. so sasuke slicing those chibaku tensie multiple times, not that big of a feat. also they are still only rocks, hashirama's buddha is a jutsu that is made from chakra and thus don't have the same properties as regular wood, hence how it can catch bijuu dama without breaking. as i said about the teleporting jutsu, all sasuke did was switch places with his sword and madara impaled himself by running into it. he did not teleport the sword into him. if he could do that he would have done the same to kaguya. so shameon youfor overrating a character, sasuke loses.

Idiot! Sasuke sliced the meteorites multiple times, to cut them into multiple pieces. He didn't need multiple sword slashes to cut the meteorites. Each sword swing was going through the meteorites like butter. Since the meteorites were bigger than Sasuke's susanoo, it's obvious he can create shockwaves. Like I said, the meteorties make Hashirama's Buddha look like bug. His PS shits on madara's(mobility wise and DC wise) and combined with his teleportation, he rapes these 3. Go and kill yourself for your stupidity.

 

[Ultimateone]

Idiot! Sasuke sliced the meteorites multiple times, to cut them into multiple pieces. He didn't need multiple sword slashes to cut the meteorites. Each sword swing was going through the meteorites like butter. Since the meteorites were bigger than Sasuke's susanoo, it's obvious he can create shockwaves. Like I said, the meteorties make Hashirama's Buddha look like bug. His PS shits on madara's(mobility wise and DC wise) and combined with his teleportation, he rapes these 3. Go and kill yourself for your stupidity.

no, kill yourself for stupidity. the whole reason i brought up the use of multiple slices is to show that his cuts aren't doing anything different than what madara's could do. if he could slice them and vaporize them then you would have an argument. otherwise he is just cutting rocks which is what madara's could do. also the chinra tensie are bigger than the buddah, but not as big as you think. the buddah toward over mountains easily. those meteeors wouldn't make it look like a bug, but it would still be bigger. but you also skipped the part where that doesn't matter. as i pointed out, those chinra tensie are just big rocks held together by a gravity point in the center. mokuton is made by chakra and thus can't be held to similar properties as something natural. thus the mokuton is already very strong and powerful in relatively smaller sizes, but the buddah is on a massive scale thus bringing it's durability and dc to a different level. as i have said, besides the flying, everything that sasuke's susano can do, madara's can do. thus it would get smashed by hashi, leaving him open to multiple attacks that he wouldn't possibly be able to hold off for long. come at be bro!(<---this just felt like the appropriate thing to say.)

 

[Conspirator.]

no, kill yourself for stupidity. the whole reason i brought up the use of multiple slices is to show that his cuts aren't doing anything different than what madara's could do. if he could slice them and vaporize them then you would have an argument. otherwise he is just cutting rocks which is what madara's could do. also the chinra tensie are bigger than the buddah, but not as big as you think. the buddah toward over mountains easily. those meteeors wouldn't make it look like a bug, but it would still be bigger. but you also skipped the part where that doesn't matter. as i pointed out, those chinra tensie are just big rocks held together by a gravity point in the center. mokuton is made by chakra and thus can't be held to similar properties as something natural. thus the mokuton is already very strong and powerful in relatively smaller sizes, but the buddah is on a massive scale thus bringing it's durability and dc to a different level. as i have said, besides the flying, everything that sasuke's susano can do, madara's can do. thus it would get smashed by hashi, leaving him open to multiple attacks that he wouldn't possibly be able to hold off for long. come at be bro!(<---this just felt like the appropriate thing to say.)

Again..... kill yourself for your stupidity. It's apparent that the meteors dwarf SS, and no it's not something Madara's could have done via feats. This is the meteorite debris.

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The debris of the individual rocks(which isn't as big as the real thing as they were slashed into smaller pieces) are MUCH bigger than multiple mountain ranges, whereas the Buddha is smaller than a single mountain range. That shows there is a massive size difference between the 2.(so my "bug" comment was spot on)

Madara's feat of slashing a few mountain tops via shockwaves pales in comparison to what Sasuke did as I have shown. The multiple slash argument is dumb, beacause as I said, each slash was creating shockwaves strong enough to slash through meteorites that dwarf multiple mountain ranges(and are bigger than Sasuke's susanoo). He only needed multiple slashes to cut the satellites into multiple pieces. Not to mention Sasuke's Susanoo is more mobile, can fly(as you said), and can deliver slashes at a faster rate. As strong as Madara's susanoo is, it's lack of mobility is one of the reasons why hashirama was able to destroy it. Hashirama is going to have a much tougher time actually hitting Sasuke's susanoo.

Furthermore, EVEN IF Hashirama's Chojo Kebutsu technique connects(it never will but I will indulge you), Sasuke's susanoo will obviously tank it. The reason being that countless times in the manga, Susanoo has shown the ability to tank attacks stronger than it's own.(eg madara's v4 unstabilized version tanking a bijuudama) Sasuke's susanno's DC craps on Chojo Kebetsu, so it will obviously be tanked. Sasuke obliterates the Buddha with a barrage of PS slashes. Only an idiot would think that hashirama's Buddha can beat Sasuke's susanoo.

 

[King Of Pop]

Again..... kill yourself for your stupidity. It's apparent that the meteors dwarf SS, and no it's not something Madara's could have done via feats. This is the meteorite debris.

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The debris of the individual rocks(which isn't as big as the real thing as they were slashed into smaller pieces) are MUCH bigger than multiple mountain ranges, whereas the Buddha is smaller than a single mountain range. That shows there is a massive size difference between the 2.(so my "bug" comment was spot on)

Madara's feat of slashing a few mountain tops via shockwaves pales in comparison to what Sasuke did as I have shown. The multiple slash argument is dumb, beacause as I said, each slash was creating shockwaves strong enough to slash through meteorites that dwarf multiple mountain ranges(and are bigger than Sasuke's susanoo). Not to mention Sasuke's Susanoo is more mobile, can fly(as you said), and can deliver slashes at a faster rate. As strong as Madara's susanoo is, it's lack of mobility is one of the reasons why hashirama was able to destroy it. Hashirama is going to have a much tougher time actually hitting Sasuke's susanoo.

Furthermore, EVEN IF Hashirama's Chojo Kebutsu technique connects(it never will but I will indulge you), Sasuke's susanoo will obviously tank it. The reason being that countless times in the manga, Susanoo has shown the ability to tank attacks stronger than it's own. Sasuke's susanno's DC craps on Chojo Kebetsu, so it will obviously be tanked. Sasuke obliterates the Buddha with a barrage of PS slashes. Only an idiot would think that hashirama's Buddha can beat Sasuke's susanoo.

Damn bro, I haven't seen you go out like this, saved me the stress of responding to that foolish post. OT. Full power Ems sasuke can take out both jiraiya and alive minato on his own let alone current who is well above him. Those two are killed neg dif then sasuke proceeds to rape hashirama.

 

[Optimistic]

Sasuke wins.

 

[LuckyMan]

Sasuke also dies to Hashiramas pollen. Forgot to mention that.

 

[Ultimateone]

Again..... kill yourself for your stupidity. It's apparent that the meteors dwarf SS, and no it's not something Madara's could have done via feats. This is the meteorite debris.

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And this is the Buddha:

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The debris of the individual rocks(which isn't as big as the real thing as they were slashed into smaller pieces) are MUCH bigger than multiple mountain ranges, whereas the Buddha is smaller than a single mountain range. That shows there is a massive size difference between the 2.(so my "bug" comment was spot on)

Madara's feat of slashing a few mountain tops via shockwaves pales in comparison to what Sasuke did as I have shown. The multiple slash argument is dumb, beacause as I said, each slash was creating shockwaves strong enough to slash through meteorites that dwarf multiple mountain ranges(and are bigger than Sasuke's susanoo). He only needed multiple slashes to cut the satellites into multiple pieces. Not to mention Sasuke's Susanoo is more mobile, can fly(as you said), and can deliver slashes at a faster rate. As strong as Madara's susanoo is, it's lack of mobility is one of the reasons why hashirama was able to destroy it. Hashirama is going to have a much tougher time actually hitting Sasuke's susanoo.

Furthermore, EVEN IF Hashirama's Chojo Kebutsu technique connects(it never will but I will indulge you), Sasuke's susanoo will obviously tank it. The reason being that countless times in the manga, Susanoo has shown the ability to tank attacks stronger than it's own.(eg madara's v4 unstabilized version tanking a bijuudama) Sasuke's susanno's DC craps on Chojo Kebetsu, so it will obviously be tanked. Sasuke obliterates the Buddha with a barrage of PS slashes. Only an idiot would think that hashirama's Buddha can beat Sasuke's susanoo.

ok, you're just being stupid now. read well before you comment again. madara never had to cut something as big as the meteors, but the fact still remains that they are just big rocks that hold no special properties other than being rocks. madara's PS has only been shown a couple of times. in the first time we see madara use his PS he casually slashes mountain tops that are of in the distance when he drew it's sword. think about that, he was just drawing his swords from it's sheath and he destroyed mountains that are off in the distance. now of course we don't have something similar size wise that madara cut, but you have to use your brain. if he was able to easly cut mountains that are of in the distance that his sword doesn't even come close to making contact with, don't you think he will be able to cut through these rocks? if you you can't see that than you are just being delusional. also madara chose to go in head first with his susano, it didn't show any lack of mobility, although it was encasing kurama. still, there has been no other occasion where it had to be extremely mobile, thus you are making assumptions on something we clearly don't have enough information on to make sasuke's look better. but as i have said, sure sasuk'es can fly, but he's gonna need to get close enough to the buddah to do any real damage, thus leaving him open to get pummeled by it.

how has sasuk'es susano shown more tanking feats than the buddah. quick answer, it hasn't, but i'll explain. sasuk'es PS has literally tanked nothing, don't believe me, reread the manga. on the other hand, the buddah has withstood an onslaught of bijjudama infused susano chakra swords while only loosing some of the arms and in the process dispelling susano. so, imma wait for you, and the guy underneath you to try again.

 

[Kagustuchi]

Sasuke babyshakes.​

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[Conspirator.]

ok, you're just being stupid now. read well before you comment again. madara never had to cut something as big as the meteors, but the fact still remains that they are just big rocks that hold no special properties other than being rocks. madara's PS has only been shown a couple of times. in the first time we see madara use his PS he casually slashes mountain tops that are of in the distance when he drew it's sword. think about that, he was just drawing his swords from it's sheath and he destroyed mountains that are off in the distance. now of course we don't have something similar size wise that madara cut, but you have to use your brain. if he was able to easly cut mountains that are of in the distance that his sword doesn't even come close to making contact with, don't you think he will be able to cut through these rocks? if you you can't see that than you are just being delusional. also madara chose to go in head first with his susano, it didn't show any lack of mobility, although it was encasing kurama. still, there has been no other occasion where it had to be extremely mobile, thus you are making assumptions on something we clearly don't have enough information on to make sasuke's look better. but as i have said, sure sasuk'es can fly, but he's gonna need to get close enough to the buddah to do any real damage, thus leaving him open to get pummeled by it.

how has sasuk'es susano shown more tanking feats than the buddah. quick answer, it hasn't, but i'll explain. sasuk'es PS has literally tanked nothing, don't believe me, reread the manga. on the other hand, the buddah has withstood an onslaught of bijjudama infused susano chakra swords while only loosing some of the arms and in the process dispelling susano. so, imma wait for you, and the guy underneath you to try again.

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That's exactly right. You are still not understanding this concept..........Sasuke's susanoo was creating shockwaves. Sasuke's susanoo sword is far smaller than the rocks. To be able to cut it cleanly in 2, he obviously created shockwaves. The reason why he even went close to the meteors is due to the fact that the distance between Sasuke and the meteors was FAR greater than the distance between madara and the mountains. And no, they are not "ordinary rocks" with no special durability. Under your jackass logic, any tom d*ck and harry could destroy the rocks if they got close with mediocre attacks...... Again, you are delusional if you THINK madara could have done what Sasuke did with the feats provided.

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Except Madara's susnaoo has shown practically no mobility feats. Even Sasuké's v3 legged Susanoo(pre rikudo powerup, shits on madara's mobility wise(via feats). Madara had plenty of opportunites to showcase his Susanoo's ability to fly and to move. Forget the Buddha, he could have used it against Hashirama's mokujin..........he didn't. The only logical deduction is Madara's can't fly nor move fast, Sasuke's can. Quite simple. Also, Sasuke doesn't need to get close to hurt the Buddha, his superior shockwaves will do fine. On top of that, EVEN IF he decides to come close, his attack speed and movement speed are greater than the buddhas, so the Buddha's is going to find it hard to attack him, and will keep getting destroyed.

As for the rest of your horseshit, use some common sense. Sasuke's PS is faster, more mobile and has greater DC than Madara's. Over and over again in the manga, the stronger the offence of the Susanoo, the better the defence. Susanoo has shown the ability to tank attacks stronger than it's own.However, Sasuke's PS slashes shit on Hashirama's chojo kobetsu DC wise. Hence it gets tanked with ease. Again, if you honestly think SM hashirama is stronger than rikudo sasuke, you need to log off, quit reading the manga, smash your computer and go and kill yourself.

PS: EVEN IF I am wrong with my last point about the tanking, it's irrelevant to the matchup as Sasuke's PS is too fast to be hit by Hashirama's Buddha technique.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Sasuke wrecks. Invisible man arguments are just as valids as Dimitri's and that's not very valid at all.

 

[LuckyMan]

Sasuke wrecks. Invisible man arguments are just as valids as Dimitri's and that's not very valid at all.

No one even pays attention to you. You don't even give arguments. You post one sentence like that on every thread and berate the people you dislike. If my arguments are as valid as Dimitris, that still makes them twice as valid as yours. You just talk sh!!!t and never argue a debate. Post something thats not worthless in the versus Colosseum for a change, at least try.

 

[TRE MERCER]

No one even pays attention to you. You don't even give arguments. You post one sentence like that on every thread and berate the people you dislike. If my arguments are as valid as Dimitris, that still makes them twice as valid as yours. You just talk sh!!!t and never argue a debate. Post something thats not worthless in the versus Colosseum for a change, at least try.

Your Jimmies were rustled? You pay attention to me alot considering that fact is i was once saw your post on a thread talking about OD never explains he just says he will and never do lmao. I do explain but the moment i seen Frog song> Sasuke i already knew your entire arguement was invalid.

First of all frog song needs prep. 2ndly it's not very usefull in large areas if it was Naruto would have caught all the pain bodies of the bat when he appeared in the leaf. 3rd Your a troll so don't get mad when you get called out on your bullshit. Trolls getting mad when they want to be taken seriously but there past prevents that hopefully this will teach you a lession.