So about Zetsu altering the tablet....
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The Blazzing X
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iTS NOT dOJUTSU.HE IS USING THE CONNECTION OF TREES ROOTS TO LOOK FAR AWAY JUST AS HE USED IN THE WAR TO GET TO THE FUEDAL LORDS
its like the juubi being able to do everything the bijuu that came from him can.
all the uchiha came from hagoromo whom comes from kaguya and has kekkei genkai because of her basically exists because of Kaguya and black zetsu is her will "son" so that's why. unless theories about him having a sharingan eye or something, because he does record things and itachi records things with izanami and his sharingan.
all the uchiha came from hagoromo whom comes from kaguya and has kekkei genkai because of her basically exists because of Kaguya and black zetsu is her will "son" so that's why. unless theories about him having a sharingan eye or something, because he does record things and itachi records things with izanami and his sharingan.
kotoamatsukami
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Yea like that one guy said oro an kabuto read the tablet an they have no dojutsu at all.
The Blazzing X
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aah!I dont know the chapter but the time when he fought with the sword boy that stays with mizukage to protect the feudal lords and naruto came to help him as a kage bushin.He also used it to tell to obito that itachi lost to sasuke.Its the same as he travels through tree stems
Please give up. First of all we have no idea what each level of doujutsu reveals so you're just making an assumption. Second, there is no evidence that anyone before Madara had ever achieved either MS or EMS.
At best that's a Byakugan. On the extreme off chance it is, Byakugan has no way of reading the Uchiha tablet.
No no no lol. Kabuto admitted he COULDN'T read the tablet. Him and Oro only theorized about its contents.
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There's a couple things wrong with you trying to imply BZ having special doujutsu with this panel.
1. The emphasis is on White Zetsu. In the middle panel, on the emphasis of the eye, we can see the black shade towards the left.
2. There was no doujutsu in use, Zetsu has always been able to transfer info as all the Zetsu are connected in some way thanks to the Mazou. If you look at the next
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, it seems that black stuff goes into the Zetsu and then he passes on the info. The black stuff is more than likely connected to BZ somehow.It is possible that he has doujutsu but we haven't been given much to imply that. The only implication we have is that he uses his eye to record things but that's about all we've seen or heard from him.
Gyakusetsu
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One thing to add. If Black Zetsu had an ability to control to an Uchiha to that extent, why the need to change anything on the tablet? By virtue of the control you could lead someone to the desired outcome
Honord Sage
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The Fist Hokage Gave Madara the tablet that was in Senju care as a present Who to say Black Zetsu did not make Madara see what Black Zetsu wanted Madara to see and have Him re wright it without Madara's Knowledge.
Gyakusetsu
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You answered yourself. If he could make Madara see what he wanted or could manipulate him to write it differently then why bother? He sees and does as BZ wishes.
I'm thinking that that was maybe a part of his modification. It doesn't seem in character for Hagoromo to do something like that, especially when his goal with the tablet was to urge the Uchiha to not spend their lives in the pursuit of power, and to cooperate with the Senju.
SkyGodHorus
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Who says he has no doujutsu? If you recall, he is somehow able to record reality. He's also been shown to be able to take over people's bodies.
Orochimaru and Kabuto did not read the tablet. They made a hypothesis and came to the conclusion through experimentation. Black Zetsu may also have had a hand in it since he led Kabuto to Madara's remains.
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He has been around since Kaguya was sealed, he mentioned he manipulated Indra after he lost out on being named Hagoromo's successor, he engineered everything just so he could bring Kaguya back, he was able to take control of Obito's body. He seems pretty intelligent for a Zetsu. Whether that's because of Kaguya's will or from who he was before he became a Zetsu we don't know yet.
He probably took control of one of Indra's descendants that had MS or EMS and changed the tablet that way. Depending on which translation you believe much might not have had to be changed to change the meaning of it, could have just been a few words that completely changed the meaning.
He had been keeping an eye on all of the transmigrants before Madara, That tablet was probably changed long before Madara read it. He need not necessarily have had to touch the parts where the rinnegan was needed to read it. Since the rinnegan was so rare he might not even have worried about that part at all if the rest of it got his point across.
Look at the difference between Manga Panda and ***********. A few words completely changes the meaning of a chapter. Maybe that's all it took.
He probably took control of one of Indra's descendants that had MS or EMS and changed the tablet that way. Depending on which translation you believe much might not have had to be changed to change the meaning of it, could have just been a few words that completely changed the meaning.
He had been keeping an eye on all of the transmigrants before Madara, That tablet was probably changed long before Madara read it. He need not necessarily have had to touch the parts where the rinnegan was needed to read it. Since the rinnegan was so rare he might not even have worried about that part at all if the rest of it got his point across.
Look at the difference between Manga Panda and ***********. A few words completely changes the meaning of a chapter. Maybe that's all it took.
He can control people's bodies because he surrounds them and controls muscle movements by restricting mobility in the section of the body he's attached to. Its not doujutsu related.
The recording ability is simply unexplained at this point. We know little about the ability so assuming its doujutsu related is a simple assumption. Its more likely something unique to him, independent of doujutsu.
Hmm you actually provided the best explanation yet, that he took control of an Uchiha's body and changed it that way. But not only would that require the highest doujutsu possible (where we know of no one before Madara with MS) but it would cause problems in regard to who he was controlling. He could only read the tablet if the person he was controlling was cooperating with him. And if any Uchiha knew that he was changing the tablet, they likely wouldn't side with him because he would be putting them all in danger.
Idk and Uchiha cooperating with him could perhaps solve the dilemma, but that makes little sense considering his goal was to hurt and manipulate the Uchiha. Not to mention it would only cover all the bases if he had at least EMS, which was unheard of until Madara.
SkyGodHorus
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You sure dream a lot of things up. I was referring to he possibly controlling the Uchiha and their eyes.
Then leave it at that and stop arguing over it when you have no info to validate yourself.
Lol I didn't say it's a doujutsu. Don't shove words in people's mouths. Funny how you call it an assumption yet immediately afterward use the word "the phrase, "likely unique and independent of doujutsu."
Yes, after all, if the all-knowing floydical can't understand or comprehend something, it must be wrong every time. *gag* Guess what, the part where I said he could control people's bodies referred to he possibly controlling Uchiha as he did Obito. But you already knew that didn't you?
Ψ Veritas Ψ
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Oh please. You directly state that he might have a doujutsu and then follow that by saying he has a recording ability and can control people. How can I not then believe you're under the assumption a doujutsu is responsible? How about you get off your pedestal and word your statements more carefully before criticizing people who are arguing with you?
When did Zetsu control Obito? Since your not referring to when he attaches to a body and controls them, I'm curios as to what you are referring. Zetsu never controlled Obito, but he did manipulate things to go his way. Are you saying Zetsu can control a person and make use of their eyes at the same time? If so can he do this without them knowing? Once he 'controls them' does he see through their eyes? Please explain to me this theory of yours because you explained it so very well before.
I'll throw in my 2 cents. It is stated that the current tablet, which is a 100% fabrication by BZ, needs the Sharingan/MS/Rinnegan to decipher. I think we can all agree to that. But.... whose to say that the ORIGINAL tablet did, or that it needed a Dojutsu at all to read? If Hagoromos true purpose for the tablet was to warn his children, and transmigrations to reconsider their attempt to aquire his power, why would he encoded it in a way that could only be deciphered AFTER they had already done what he had written for them NOT to do? I believe the original tablet had no such writing, he wrote it for both his sons, one of which did not have a dojutsu. This is how BZ was able to read the tablet, and its not that difficult to write a message in a manner that you yourself cant read. Its doable that BZ merely wrote the new message in a manner that needs a dojutsu to decipher.
Kabuto and Orochimaru were able to decipher the tablet even without Dojutsu, meaning that if one understands how its written then one can understand the text. We know that Black Zetsu was around when Indra and Ashura grew up, meaning that he most likely witnesses Hagoromo writing the original tablet and thus he recorded. Later he used the knowledge of how Hagoromo wrote it in order to alter the text on there. |