Itachi has Enton and Kagutsuchi

[Koro]

Actually Sasuke used tsukiyomi against Killer bee.

No... No he didn't *smh*

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Sasuke has shown two powers with his right eye.

1. A genjutsu that creates an inverted color scale, just like Tsukiyomi. When he used it on Danzo, Danzo compared it to Itachi's use of Tsukiyomi. If it wasn't Tsukiyomi, why would Danzo chose Tsukiyomi in all of Itachi's vast arsenal of Genjutsu to compare it too and specifically mention that Sasuke's use the genjutsu he used was inferior to Itachi manipulation of time with Tsukiyomi?

2. The power to control the black flames. And he put out the flames with his right eye. Meaning it's part of his right eye's effect on Amaterasu, which is Kagutsuchi. Therefore, Kagutsuchi includes putting out the flames. Which Itachi did. So Itachi had a weak form of Kagutsuchi.

Each MS has different powers so why would it make sense for Itachi to have Enton?If he did have it then why not mention something when Sasuke used Enton swords in the Kabuto fight?

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Nope nope that was never stated in the manga thats just what people on the base say to try to pass it off as nothing.

Yeah it has,all the times Amaterasu has been used it never went out until the user puts out the flames himself.A example of this is when Itachi died the flames that covered the forest were starting to slowly extinquish.

 

[Punk Hazard]

No... No he didn't *smh*

I love how you're ignoring the question of how Itachi put out Amaterasu if he didn't have Kagutsuchi.

Each MS has different powers so why would it make sense for Itachi to have Enton?If he did have it then why not mention something when Sasuke used Enton swords in the Kabuto fight?

Is that why Sasuke and Itachi both ended up having Amaterasu and Tsukiyomi, and Madara, Sasuke, Itachi and Indra ended up having Susano'o?

And Itachi didn't mention it because his use of Enton and Amaterasu were dormant, his use was so weak, he didn't use it enough to be able to discern between the two, while Sasuke was proficient enough with Amaterasu and Kagutsuchi, as well as spammed them enough, to tell the difference. He then named the Release Enton and the technique Kagutsuchi.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Yeah it has,all the times Amaterasu has been used it never went out until the user puts out the flames himself.A example of this is when Itachi died the flames that covered the forest were starting to slowly extinquish.

1. That's not putting it out yourself, as you're dead, you can't do anything, so how can a dead person put the flames out?

2. Where has it been stated that removing the flames is a basic part of Amaterasu? If it was, it wouldn't have the reputation as inextinguishable. Itachi's Kagutsuchi was too weak to put it out on a scale the same as Sasuke's.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

I love how you're ignoring the question of how Itachi put out Amaterasu if he didn't have Kagutsuchi.


Is that why Sasuke and Itachi both ended up having Amaterasu and Tsukiyomi, and Madara, Sasuke, Itachi and Indra ended up having Susano'o?

And Itachi didn't mention it because his use of Enton and Amaterasu were dormant, his use was so weak, he didn't use it enough to be able to discern between the two, while Sasuke was proficient enough with Amaterasu and Kagutsuchi, as well as spammed them enough, to tell the difference. He then named the Release Enton and the technique Kagutsuchi.

Again this is turning into a Ama/Tsukiyomi is required for Susanoo because of some outdated databook info situation.I neither have the patience nor the time to deal with that particular argument.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

1. That's not putting it out yourself, as you're dead, you can't do anything, so how can a dead person put the flames out?

2. Where has it been stated that removing the flames is a basic part of Amaterasu? If it was, it wouldn't have the reputation as inextinguishable. Itachi's Kagutsuchi was too weak to put it out on a scale the same as Sasuke's.

Itachi put out the flames when they had hit Sasuke during their fight.Sasuke could do the same thing even before he unlocked Enton so that point is moot.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Itachi put out the flames when they had hit Sasuke during their fight.Sasuke could do the same thing even before he unlocked Enton so that point is moot.

Did you stop to consider that the first time he put it out WAS WHEN he unlocked Enton, but didn't name it until later?

 

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No... No he didn't *smh*

Sigh Tsukiyomi is the only genjutsu that invert the colour scheme when its used.

Sasuke using it.

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Itachi using Tsukiyomi and Sasuke using a regular genjutsu

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Unless you know some other MS genjutsu that do the same thing we have nothing to talk about here.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Did you stop to consider that the first time he put it out WAS WHEN he unlocked Enton, but didn't name it until later?

No,because just like with Susanoo Sasuke awakened Enton sometime after the fight with Killer Bee.

 

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Again this is turning into a Ama/Tsukiyomi is required for Susanoo because of some outdated databook info situation.I neither have the patience nor the time to deal with that particular argument.

Being Outdated doesn't make the information incorrect as it was never contradicted by the manga.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Being Outdated doesn't make the information incorrect as it was never contradicted by the manga.

Read the end of the chapter when Sasuke first used a complete Susanoo.

"Only those with the Double Mangekyo can unlock the third power.....Susanoo."

So the databook has already been contradicted not just this time but many times before and after.

 

[Punk Hazard]

No,because just like with Susanoo Sasuke awakened Enton sometime after the fight with Killer Bee.

Or he unlocked Enton at his fight with Killer Bee, and named it later.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Read the end of the chapter when Sasuke first used a complete Susanoo.

"Only those with the Double Mangekyo can unlock the third power.....Susanoo."

So the databook has already been contradicted not just this time but many times before and after.

And Sasuke knows that how? He's had the Mangekyo for a few weeks and didn't read the tablet, so there was no way he'd know that for a fact.

 

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Read the end of the chapter when Sasuke first used a complete Susanoo.

"Only those with the Double Mangekyo can unlock the third power.....Susanoo."

So the databook has already been contradicted not just this time but many times before and after.

Oh Snap i forgot Sasuke or any character for the matter was Omniscience, lets see who's information is mostly correct.
-the guy that spent most of his time reading the Uchiha tablet
-the guy that unlocked his MS a few chapters earlier.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

And Sasuke knows that how? He's had the Mangekyo for a few weeks and didn't read the tablet, so there was no way he'd know that for a fact.

Where in the tablet does it say you need Ama and Tsukiyomi for Susanoo again?And I would think Sasuke would know his own MS since it's part of him.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Where in the tablet does it say you need Ama and Tsukiyomi for Susanoo again?And I would think Sasuke would know his own MS since it's part of him.

My point was that Sasuke had no source of information about the Mangekyo other than Obito, and he's been wrong before and he's a liar. While he had one, he was essentially just guessing, so his word isn't credible.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Oh Snap i forgot Sasuke or any character for the matter was Omniscience, lets see who's information is mostly correct.
-the guy that spent most of his time reading the Uchiha tablet
-the guy that unlocked his MS a few chapters earlier.

Does'nt change the fact that the databook is outdated now.It once said Hiruzen was the strongest Hokage and the God of Shinobi....and we all know that's not true.

So again...does the tablet list all MS techs? Even those that have existed after it was written?

 

[Mad Daz]

Oh Snap i forgot Sasuke or any character for the matter was Omniscience, lets see who's information is mostly correct.
-the guy that spent most of his time reading the Uchiha tablet
-the guy that unlocked his MS a few chapters earlier.

Dude its kishi who said it not sasuke.

And i cant believe you take the inverted color scale on sasukes sharingan genjutsu to mean it is tsukuyomi, besides the fact its called "SHARINGAN GENJUTSU" :vincent: its like you are purposly avoiding the most obvious option? Its not supposed to be a mystery.

 

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Dude its kishi who said it not sasuke.

And i cant believe you take the inverted color scale on sasukes sharingan genjutsu to mean it is tsukuyomi, besides the fact its called "SHARINGAN GENJUTSU" :vincent: its like you are purposly avoiding the most obvious option? Its not supposed to be a mystery.

Ummm No Sasuke the fictional character said it, because it was written for him to say it doesn't make it right.

unless your stupid you would realize i posted TWO scans one inverted and the OTHER one normal and called Sharingan genjutsu and Itachi using Tsukiyomi which is inverted as well can you comprehend that?