[Predictions] Naruto Manga 473 Discussion / 474 Predictions

[John Constantine]

You are 98% wrong my friend. Orochimaru was indeed a very respected shinobi, but he was not nearly as strong as Jiraiya. Jiraiya could kill both Itachi and Kisame, very strong shinobi. Orochimaru was always frustrated because he never stood a chance against Itachi...Also, I agree that Jiraiya would have had an advantage if he had known about Pain, but I highly doubt he would have been able to beat him. Naruto had information on Pain and was stronger than Jiraiya, and only won due to the fact that Pain was weak at the beginning of the fight and thanks to the aid of the Kiuubi at one point during their fight.

Orochimaru kills the third and Kazekage,defeats Naruto 4-Tailed fox mode (I believe Jiraiya took a blow from N4TF and almost died),draws with Jiraiya and people still think Jiraiya was stronger??
Even Jiraya aknowledges that Orochimaru is as strong as him throught the series.

You are so wrong,Kisame asks why to Itachi saying that he could...Which Itachi responds with "i already used Tsukyomi twice and i was forced to use amaterasu,i need to rest somewhere.."..
Itachi could have defeated Jiraiya alone if he intended too since he mandhandled Orochimaru so quickly and easily. He just didn't wanted to kill,much less one of Konoha greats..

Once again,go read the manga and watch the anime,Pein itself says that Jiraiya most certainly would have beat him if Jiraiya knew about the secret ahead of time...

 

[Jonesy161]

Soo.... Cool chapter ..


btw wats this truth Sai' talking about that sakura couldnt tell to Naruto ??


Any1 has any ideas? ?

yea, the orders to kill Sasuke if spotted, no longer to catch.

 

[Last Arcanum]

Jiraiya could kill both Itachi and Kisame, very strong shinobi.

You are so wrong,Kisame asks why to Itachi saying that he could...Which Itachi responds with "i already used Tsukyomi twice and i was forced to use amaterasu,i need to rest somewhere.."..
Itachi could have defeated Jiraiya alone if he intended too since he mandhandled Orochimaru so quickly and easily. He just didn't wanted to kill,much less one of Konoha greats..

Once again,go read the manga and watch the anime,Pein itself says that Jiraiya most certainly would have beat him if Jiraiya knew about the secret ahead of time...

Thank you Kenshin. That is exactly what I wanted to point out. Itachi joined Akatsuki to try and "prevent" them and was a pacifist and hated violence and most likely would have said anything to not have to fight with Jiraiya since he was on his side. Everyone that says Jiraiya is stronger than Itachi should remember this.​

 

[Last Arcanum]

ehhhhh, ahhhhh, i dont understand. did you actually see the fight between itachi and sasuke? common i thought you would respond with something better.

1. are you saying that if oro had his arms good he would has been defeated by sasuke?, cause the last time i remember oro defeated the 3rd alone.

2.sasuke may have stopped oro in taking over his body, but the one that really defeated oro was itachi (go back to itachi vs sasuke's fight and check again.)

Of course I've seen the fight and I thought that you would have responed with something better as well.

1.) What does defeating the Third Hokage have to do with Sasuke? I can't say that he would've defeated him but he wouldn't have lost hands down just like that. You cannot say Sasuke would have lost the fight 100% because your aren't Kishimoto but you can choose to believe so without any proof.


2.) I don't need to check back because I remember the fight quite clearly for that matter. Sasuke DID in fact overpower a weakened Orochimaru and defeated him and absorbed him in the process. I'm not denying the fact that Itachi defeated him because it did happen but only after Sasuke defeated him earlier.​

 

[Itachi Sama]

Orochimaru kills the third and Kazekage,defeats Naruto 4-Tailed fox mode (I believe Jiraiya took a blow from N4TF and almost died),draws with Jiraiya and people still think Jiraiya was stronger??
Even Jiraya aknowledges that Orochimaru is as strong as him throught the series.

You are so wrong,Kisame asks why to Itachi saying that he could...Which Itachi responds with "i already used Tsukyomi twice and i was forced to use amaterasu,i need to rest somewhere.."..
Itachi could have defeated Jiraiya alone if he intended too since he mandhandled Orochimaru so quickly and easily. He just didn't wanted to kill,much less one of Konoha greats..

Once again,go read the manga and watch the anime,Pein itself says that Jiraiya most certainly would have beat him if Jiraiya knew about the secret ahead of time...

First of all, Orochimaru did not defeat four-tailed Naruto, he had to run away because he was weak at the moment. If he had taken a direct hit from Naruto's beam he would have died. Orochimaru was fighting to kill, but Jiraiya would never harm his pupil. Maybe you should read the manga...Just because Orochimaru beat a couple of strong people does not mean anything. Itachi most likely did not try to fight Pain, the second strongest in Akatsuki, because he lacked the strength, which is the same reason why he could not fight a "weak" Madara. Jiraiya was the first person in the series to actually give Pain some trouble. Orochimaru got owned by Sasuke, who would have defeated him regardless of the former being at his prime due to the fact he had already learned everything from him and also the sharingan. If you were an inquisitive reader, then you would know that Pain's statement was a pronunciation of respect towards Jiraiya, but not really true. Again, when Naruto fought Pain, having information and having surpassed Jiraiya, he almost did not make it. The main reasons why Naruto won was because Pain was weak at the beginning and to going six-tailed, besides his miraculous recovery of his injuries after Yondaime brought him back to normal. Pain was way stronger than Orochimaru and had some trouble defeating Jirayia. For keen readers, logic would follow that Jiraiya was superior to Orochimaru, also besides the fact that the Series' creator has continually and explicitly portrayed Jiraiya as the strongest of the three Sannin. I don't think Itachi would lie about being weaker than Jiraiya since he was a shinobi very concerned about his abilities and limitations. Even if I were wrong about Jiraiya and Pain, in which case Jiraiya could have indeed beaten him having had previous knowledge about him, the more the reason why the latter would be stronger than Orochimaru. If Orochimaru could not beat Itachi he would have never been able to dare challenge Pain. I don't know how I could be clear enough. Maybe common sense is not necessary to understand the manga...? In order to understand a literary work or series one needs not to be shallow and only consider surface details, but read between the lines to make sense of it. If you were right, a major part of the plot would not make any sense. I believe your comments express shallow views based on biased opinions.

 

[Itachi Sama]

Thank you Kenshin. That is exactly what I wanted to point out. Itachi joined Akatsuki to try and "prevent" them and was a pacifist and hated violence and most like what have said anything to not have to fight with Jiraiya since he was on his side. Everyone that says Jiraiya is stronger than Itachi should remember this.​

Nonsense. If Itachi killed his mother and father, and was willing to capture Naruto, something that would devastate Konoha, to the point of agreeing of cutting his arms and legs so he could not get away, how would not he be willing to kill Jiraiya??? He was on Konoha's side, but to play his role he would have to get his hands dirty.

 

[Itachi Sama]

I am not quite sure if everyone in this Naruto blog understand the series and are willing to discuss it objectively. It would be nice if there wasn't so much "fanboysm (made up word)" in the Naruto threads...

 

[CRK2191]

First of all, Orochimaru did not defeat four-tailed Naruto, he had to run away because he was weak at the moment. If he had taken a direct hit from Naruto's beam he would have died. Orochimaru was fighting to kill, but Jiraiya would never harm his pupil. Maybe you should read the manga...Just because Orochimaru beat a couple of strong people does not mean anything. Itachi most likely did not try to fight Pain, the second strongest in Akatsuki, because he lacked the strength, which is the same reason why he could not fight a "weak" Madara. Jiraiya was the first person in the series to actually give Pain some trouble. Orochimaru got owned by Sasuke, who would have defeated him regardless of the former being at his prime due to the fact he had already learned everything from him and also the sharingan. If you were an inquisitive reader, then you would know that Pain's statement was a pronunciation of respect towards Jiraiya, but not really true. Again, when Naruto fought Pain, having information and having surpassed Jiraiya, he almost did not make it. The main reasons why Naruto won was because Pain was weak at the beginning and to going six-tailed, besides his miraculous recovery of his injuries after Yondaime brought him back to normal. Pain was way stronger than Orochimaru and had some trouble defeating Jirayia. For keen readers, logic would follow that Jiraiya was superior to Orochimaru, also besides the fact that the Series' creator has continually and explicitly portrayed Jiraiya as the strongest of the three Sannin. I don't think Itachi would lie about being weaker than Jiraiya since he was a shinobi very concerned about his abilities and limitations. Even if I were wrong about Jiraiya and Pain, in which case Jiraiya could have indeed beaten him having had previous knowledge about him, the more the reason why the latter would be stronger than Orochimaru. If Orochimaru could not beat Itachi he would have never been able to dare challenge Pain. I don't know how I could be clear enough. Maybe common sense is not necessary to understand the manga...? In order to understand a literary work or series one needs not to be shallow and only consider surface details, but read between the lines to make sense of it. If you were right, a major part of the plot would not make any sense. I believe your comments express shallow views based on biased opinions.

Nonsense. If Itachi killed his mother and father, and was willing to capture Naruto, something that would devastate Konoha, how would not he be willing to kill Jiraiya??? He was on Konoha's side, but to play his role he would have to get his hands dirty.

I'd just like to say that Itachi Sama is owning everyone right now from my point of view. Good work Itachi Sama.

I have a question. On page seven of this manga, at the bottom right, that guy (forgot his name) is startled by something. What is it and why is he startled? And why doesn't the manga go back to it? Does it have some importance? Sorry, I'm really bad at making out the manga images.

 

[Steinbiz]

First of all, Orochimaru did not defeat four-tailed Naruto, he had to run away because he was weak at the moment. If he had taken a direct hit from Naruto's beam he would have died. Orochimaru was fighting to kill, but Jiraiya would never harm his pupil. Maybe you should read the manga...Just because Orochimaru beat a couple of strong people does not mean anything. Itachi most likely did not try to fight Pain, the second strongest in Akatsuki, because he lacked the strength, which is the same reason why he could not fight a "weak" Madara. Jiraiya was the first person in the series to actually give Pain some trouble. Orochimaru got owned by Sasuke, who would have defeated him regardless of the former being at his prime due to the fact he had already learned everything from him and also the sharingan. If you were an inquisitive reader, then you would know that Pain's statement was a pronunciation of respect towards Jiraiya, but not really true. Again, when Naruto fought Pain, having information and having surpassed Jiraiya, he almost did not make it. The main reasons why Naruto won was because Pain was weak at the beginning and to going six-tailed, besides his miraculous recovery of his injuries after Yondaime brought him back to normal. Pain was way stronger than Orochimaru and had some trouble defeating Jirayia. For keen readers, logic would follow that Jiraiya was superior to Orochimaru, also besides the fact that the Series' creator has continually and explicitly portrayed Jiraiya as the strongest of the three Sannin. I don't think Itachi would lie about being weaker than Jiraiya since he was a shinobi very concerned about his abilities and limitations. Even if I were wrong about Jiraiya and Pain, in which case Jiraiya could have indeed beaten him having had previous knowledge about him, the more the reason why the latter would be stronger than Orochimaru. If Orochimaru could not beat Itachi he would have never been able to dare challenge Pain. I don't know how I could be clear enough. Maybe common sense is not necessary to understand the manga...? In order to understand a literary work or series one needs not to be shallow and only consider surface details, but read between the lines to make sense of it. If you were right, a major part of the plot would not make any sense. I believe your comments express shallow views based on biased opinions.

Wow, this is exactly what i've been saying. People just don't know how to think with their own common sense. People read the manga and say "Hey Kishi made the character say this or do that" and they think that's how it is, end story.....they can't think around a fact. They don't know how to put 2 and 2 together to come up with a logical outcome. For instance: when Zetsu watched Sasuke vs Itachi....he said Itachi was "completely invincible" because of Susano'o. Last I checked, Susano'o is starting to look not so invincible the more we see it.......right Raikage?? right Choujuro?? right Mizukage?? lol. Just because you read one sentence in the manga and it explains something, doesn't mean it's completely true. Remember.....EVERY jutsu has a weakness, no matter how powerful. If some of you use your noggins, you'll understand what exactly I'm trying to say.

There are facts in Naruto but there is also common sense. People just don't see it.

 

[Naruto Power]

exactly kishi sets up fights like chess moves and games.
that is why when guys are fighting he dialogs their thoughts.

also there are alot of usless little posts like this one. stop unless its good stuff.
yes you have the power to make forums better.

someone please come up with some crazy prediction. im cracking out for some naruto action throughout the week.

 

[Pervyy]

I swear itachi killed his clan to protect the village? But he couldnt kill his brother?

And no one can say that sasuke would of beat oro if oro had his arms and full health, the closest you have seen to this is near the beggining of naruto in the forest and sasuke gets owned, but he got stronger since then!


Right how come most of the awsome bad guys are like ill or weaked... like itachi, mdara, orochimaru and pein? kinda sucks


And itachi wasnt there to kill! he never intended to kill his bro! or am i the only one that saw that? and then itachi just give him his eyes/eye power, not really a win is it?

 

[Valkyria]

What do people think will happen to the Samehada? Will Killer Bee use it even though it doesn't really suit his style. KB and Raikage will both destroy it for the greater good or just take it regardless and quarantine it at the cloud village?

 

[zagubus]

I'd just like to say that Itachi Sama is owning everyone right now from my point of view. Good work Itachi Sama.

I have a question. On page seven of this manga, at the bottom right, that guy (forgot his name) is startled by something. What is it and why is he startled? And why doesn't the manga go back to it? Does it have some importance? Sorry, I'm really bad at making out the manga images.

my guess would be Kisame's head landed in front of him. it is hard to make out though.

 

[eViL sKiNnY bOy]

That was small Fight. And for those who Don't know one of the interpretations on OneManga.com showed that Suiton: Daikoudan is Giant water Bullet/ Great Shark bullet or something...
I really have a feeling though that Kisame is not Dead as
a) Don't think thought of own head Flying in the Air sis that AMAZING..
b) Some of the other Characters had reason to be Happy in death. Like Zabuza as he realised He would be going back to Haku. Kisame never really had any proper reason to be Happy about.

All the stuff about Kissame being too weak is Bull shit. As mainly they have to make sure the Jinchyuruki does not Die so as to not kill the Tailed-Beast. Or Boss Madara would not be Happy. that is a Very Very Hard Handicaap as you have to interpret what your actions are gonna do and cancel out many stuff coz they might just be too powerful if the attacks connected. But the fact that Bee nearly took out Kisame early shows KB's worth...

As some of the Sasu"GAY" Fanboys Don't seem to understand, I'll explain AGAIn. When Sasuke took out Orochimaru the latter was in terrible pain and was Extremely weakened by all the experiments , medicines and the 3rd's Jyutsu all of which screwed the Bugger pretty bad. And Itachi never wanted to kill or even handicap Sasuke in anyway. Sure Sasuke gave a good fight but he would have Died a long time back if Itachi wished so. That too all this when Itachi was practically blind and was in terminal stages and was just holding on with just the thought of passing on some of his skills and kill Orochimaru and all that stuff. that was the totally point of Itachi's sacrifice and no more...

About the next Episode prediction I think that Sai's gonna tell Naruto that Sakura plans on killing Sasuke.(yeah right does she even think that might be possible??? - Hoping though that this is not what happens and if it does hoping Naruto's gonna say something on the lines of "that DUMB B!tch!!!!!!!!!" or something). Also thinking that maybe naruto might start going on the trail of Sakura and if my previous prediction is wrong then on the trail of Someone else. Maybe Try using his Sage mode to detect them. As far as I knwo Naruto Hasn't tried locating people like Sasuke with his Sage mode Activated...
prolly Mizukage and Co. will start going on the Move again to locate and engage Hokage and party..

The chances of a Plot-twist in the next/the one after that seems to be very High according to me. thats just my 2 cents....

 

[Pervyy]

That was small Fight. And for those who Don't know one of the interpretations on OneManga.com showed that Suiton: Daikoudan is Giant water Bullet/ Great Shark bullet or something...
I really have a feeling though that Kisame is not Dead as
a) Don't think thought of own head Flying in the Air sis that AMAZING..
b) Some of the other Characters had reason to be Happy in death. Like Zabuza as he realised He would be going back to Haku. Kisame never really had any proper reason to be Happy about.

All the stuff about Kissame being too weak is Bull shit. As mainly they have to make sure the Jinchyuruki does not Die so as to not kill the Tailed-Beast. Or Boss Madara would not be Happy. that is a Very Very Hard Handicaap as you have to interpret what your actions are gonna do and cancel out many stuff coz they might just be too powerful if the attacks connected. But the fact that Bee nearly took out Kisame early shows KB's worth...

As some of the Sasu"GAY" Fanboys Don't seem to understand, I'll explain AGAIn. When Sasuke took out Orochimaru the latter was in terrible pain and was Extremely weakened by all the experiments , medicines and the 3rd's Jyutsu all of which screwed the Bugger pretty bad. And Itachi never wanted to kill or even handicap Sasuke in anyway. Sure Sasuke gave a good fight but he would have Died a long time back if Itachi wished so. That too all this when Itachi was practically blind and was in terminal stages and was just holding on with just the thought of passing on some of his skills and kill Orochimaru and all that stuff. that was the totally point of Itachi's sacrifice and no more...

About the next Episode prediction I think that Sai's gonna tell Naruto that Sakura plans on killing Sasuke.(yeah right does she even think that might be possible??? - Hoping though that this is not what happens and if it does hoping Naruto's gonna say something on the lines of "that DUMB B!tch!!!!!!!!!" or something). Also thinking that maybe naruto might start going on the trail of Sakura and if my previous prediction is wrong then on the trail of Someone else. Maybe Try using his Sage mode to detect them. As far as I knwo Naruto Hasn't tried locating people like Sasuke with his Sage mode Activated...
prolly Mizukage and Co. will start going on the Move again to locate and engage Hokage and party..

The chances of a Plot-twist in the next/the one after that seems to be very High according to me. thats just my 2 cents....

I agree with you apart from the fact that kisame is dead! He said they were too fast for him, so he couldnt perform a jutsu, nagato was the only one able to bring ppl back to life and if it was a clone it would of turned to water or something.

 

[John Constantine]

First of all, Orochimaru did not defeat four-tailed Naruto, he had to run away because he was weak at the moment. If he had taken a direct hit from Naruto's beam he would have died. Orochimaru was fighting to kill, but Jiraiya would never harm his pupil. Maybe you should read the manga...Just because Orochimaru beat a couple of strong people does not mean anything. Itachi most likely did not try to fight Pain, the second strongest in Akatsuki, because he lacked the strength, which is the same reason why he could not fight a "weak" Madara. Jiraiya was the first person in the series to actually give Pain some trouble. Orochimaru got owned by Sasuke, who would have defeated him regardless of the former being at his prime due to the fact he had already learned everything from him and also the sharingan. If you were an inquisitive reader, then you would know that Pain's statement was a pronunciation of respect towards Jiraiya, but not really true. Again, when Naruto fought Pain, having information and having surpassed Jiraiya, he almost did not make it. The main reasons why Naruto won was because Pain was weak at the beginning and to going six-tailed, besides his miraculous recovery of his injuries after Yondaime brought him back to normal. Pain was way stronger than Orochimaru and had some trouble defeating Jirayia. For keen readers, logic would follow that Jiraiya was superior to Orochimaru, also besides the fact that the Series' creator has continually and explicitly portrayed Jiraiya as the strongest of the three Sannin. I don't think Itachi would lie about being weaker than Jiraiya since he was a shinobi very concerned about his abilities and limitations. Even if I were wrong about Jiraiya and Pain, in which case Jiraiya could have indeed beaten him having had previous knowledge about him, the more the reason why the latter would be stronger than Orochimaru. If Orochimaru could not beat Itachi he would have never been able to dare challenge Pain. I don't know how I could be clear enough. Maybe common sense is not necessary to understand the manga...? In order to understand a literary work or series one needs not to be shallow and only consider surface details, but read between the lines to make sense of it. If you were right, a major part of the plot would not make any sense. I believe your comments express shallow views based on biased opinions.

My eyes are bleeding..No paragraphs for the lose..

 

[Last Arcanum]

Nonsense. If Itachi killed his mother and father, and was willing to capture Naruto, something that would devastate Konoha, to the point of agreeing of cutting his arms and legs so he could not get away, how would not he be willing to kill Jiraiya??? He was on Konoha's side, but to play his role he would have to get his hands dirty.

It isn't nonsense. Although Itachi seemingly went to Konohagakure to capture Naruto his true reason for coming was to remind Danzo and the elders that he was still very much alive, and not to harm his younger brother. Regardless of it not being a confirmed fact I still believe that the Kuchiyose: Gedou Mazou needs to extract the bijuus in order rather than getting random hosts at a time. Why would Akatsuki start with Kyuubi when the Ichibi wasn't even captured yet. From what I've seen the extractions have been performed in numercial order; from one to nine. I'm not trying to say that Itachi is indeed stronger but I think that you should at least try and think of it as plausibe rather than totally reject it. It just comes down to what you prefer in my opinion. Itachi lied to Sasuke and the majority of the shinobi world right? Why couldn't he simply lie to Kisame about them being weaker.​

 

[Last Arcanum]

As some of the Sasu"GAY" Fanboys Don't seem to understand, I'll explain AGAIn. When Sasuke took out Orochimaru the latter was in terrible pain and was Extremely weakened by all the experiments , medicines and the 3rd's Jyutsu all of which screwed the Bugger pretty bad. And Itachi never wanted to kill or even handicap Sasuke in anyway. Sure Sasuke gave a good fight but he would have Died a long time back if Itachi wished so. That too all this when Itachi was practically blind and was in terminal stages and was just holding on with just the thought of passing on some of his skills and kill Orochimaru and all that stuff. that was the totally point of Itachi's sacrifice and no more...

I agree with most of what you said but no need to call Sasuke, Sasu"GAY" it is disrespectful to people who like him. With that aside it never really appeared to me that he wanted to "take out" Orochimaru but rather "take him in" decieving him by letting him activate the rebirth jutsu and them overpower him with genjutsu and totally reverse it against him. ​

 

[Itachi Sama]

I'd just like to say that Itachi Sama is owning everyone right now from my point of view. Good work Itachi Sama.

I have a question. On page seven of this manga, at the bottom right, that guy (forgot his name) is startled by something. What is it and why is he startled? And why doesn't the manga go back to it? Does it have some importance? Sorry, I'm really bad at making out the manga images.

Thank you, very much. It's Sabu-Chan, the Enka singer. He is startled at Kisame's head after it was cut off by Raikage and Killerbee. I don't know if it has any importance, but don't think so...

 

[CRK2191]

First, I'd like to say that I'm disappointed with HOW Kisame dies or at how KB wins. The fact that KB and the Raikage beat Kisame (although it was really cool) makes KB look weaker in my opinion. Don't get me wrong, he must be amazingly skilled with all that he is capable of doing, but to need help makes him look a little weak. I would have preferred if KB beat Kisame by himself.

I might be wrong, but now that Sasuke has unlocked (or received from Itachi) the Mangekyou Sharingan, won't he slowly go blind like Itachi. Maybe in the end, if he lives, he'll take Madara's eyes. After an epic battle between Naruto and Sasuke, neither will die. Although they have differences, they will team up and fight Madara. It will end in Madara's death as well as Naruto's death. It's not that Naruto is weak, just that he is the main character of the show (this might be arguable, i don't know) and his death would be the ultimate sacrifice and be the most dramatic probably. Sasuke will live (i'm not a sasuke fan or naruto fan so don't give me crap for this) and will be the next hokage and will live based off of Naruto's beliefs because they will truly be friends at the end. Naruto will have his head carved into the mountain thingy with all the other hokages' faces. Also, Sakura will try to heal Naruto, but he's already dead and she can't do anything about it. She heals Sasuke and does the eye transfusion and they become friends (maybe more). Before all of this though, Danzo is killed by KB. I dunno why I chose KB. I think I just wanna see him fight some more. Then there is no Hokage. Tsunade is still in the coma. Kakashi declines when offered the position of hokage and Naruto becomes the hokage. That's why Naruto dies in the fight with Madara. He sacrifices himself for his town. It's like Sarutobi and the fourth hokage. Not sure about the first two, but the last two sacrificed themselves for their people.

I know that this prediction is obviously way further than manga 474, but o well. Right now, I don't know what to predict for the next chapter.