Renningan Obito w/ Paths vs Hashirama

[Brother Numpsay]

Location: Where Bee and Naruto fought him.


Intel: Manga

Restrictions: None

P.S. I know I butcher the spelling "Rinnegan"

 

[RustledJimmies]

Hashirama wins mid difficulty, Myoujinmon incapacitates the Bijuu and then Hashirama either takes Obito down with Kajukai Kourin or Shin Suusenju.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Hashirama wins mid difficulty,

And the overrating begins.

Myoujinmon incapacitates the Bijuu

This jutsu only limits Buijuu or the user bind, with limited chakra ability. Since TBB was canonically disable, that just leaves them with each ninjutsu they can perform to get out.

characters like 6 tails: Leech Gap, 4 tails: Magma armor using its heat to break away, etc. Or Obito simply shrinks them back to V2, since Myoujinmon pinning only works by the compatible size of the opponet.

and then Hashirama either takes Obito down with Kajukai Kourin

Assuming he can't get out of its range under 5 mins

Shin Suusenju.

One of the living entitiy ninjutsu of Wood Release. This justu gets a couple of Large chraka receivers, thrown at it, being bind by Outer Path.

 

[RustledJimmies]

And the overrating begins.

The irony

This jutsu only limits Buijuu or the user bind, with limited chakra ability. Since TBB was canonically disable, that just leaves them with each ninjutsu they can perform to get out.

characters like 6 tails: Leech Gap, 4 tails: Magma armor using its heat to break away, etc. Or Obito simply shrinks them back to V2, since Myoujinmon pinning only works by the compatible size of the opponet.

The ones that break free can be binded with either Mokuryu or Kakuan Nitten Suishu, or Hashirama can hold them with Hotei no Jutsu and then remove the chakra receivers with Hotei, Mokujin or Shinsuusenju.

Assuming he can't get out of its range under 5 mins

He has to go tangible to warp away, so he gets put to sleep. even if he can do it, he has to come back sometime and then he'll be knocked out.

One of the living entitiy ninjutsu of Wood Release. This justu gets a couple of Large chraka receivers, thrown at it, being bind by Outer Path.

BM Naruto broke Bee free from them using his tails with ease, they're not holding something as huge and strong as SS.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

The irony

Irony would be if I were to stated the minimum difficulty as yours or lower. And which I never said anything for Obito winning this with ease.

The ones that break free can be binded with either Mokuryu or Kakuan Nitten Suishu, or Hashirama can hold them with Hotei no Jutsu and then remove the chakra receivers with Hotei, Mokujin or Shinsuusenju.

Except that can only be taken care of one at at time, so the other continue to support the one being sealed. Obito having more heads can deal with Mokujin and Hotei by using their ninjutsu and physical prowess (While Obito deals with SS).

He has to go tangible to warp away, so he gets put to sleep. even if he can do it, he has to come back sometime and then he'll be knocked out.

Or continuing by traveling like this[

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], and have a TBB blow a open breather space. Warp underground and back to open space, etc.

BM Naruto broke Bee free from them using his tails with ease, they're not holding something as huge and strong as SS.

Obito's statement says he was quick to act. That example is not a good one because Naruto can def move faster then Mokuton.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Hashirama wins. Im an Obito fan but any Obito other than Juubi Jin Obito is losing to Hashirama without much difficulty. Shinsuusenju shits on Obito and his Bijuu plus the Gedo Mazo. Mokujin fought Kurama and Ps combined that's enough to give Hashirama the win alone a real debate isn't needed for this thread.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

a real debate isn't needed for this thread.

Of course there is, Juubi Jin can't use Kamui, Chakra receivers is as deadly to Hashirama here (and his large contructions like SS), and Buijuu combos greatly supports him catch him with Kamui or Chakra receivers. These Buijuu are more capable then just TBB.

 

[RustledJimmies]

Irony would be if I were to stated the minimum difficulty as yours or lower. And which I never said anything for Obito winning this with ease.

Ok.

Except that can only be taken care of one at at time, so the other continue to support the one being sealed. Obito having more heads can deal with Mokujin and Hotei by using their ninjutsu and physical prowess (While Obito deals with SS).

Says who ? There are multiple hands that rival the size of

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, there's no reason why it can't hold all the Bijuu's. Good luck giving support to each other when you're being held by hands that rival full Kurama in size.

Or continuing by traveling like this[1], and have a TBB blow a open breather space. Warp underground and back to open space, etc.

K then, what is he going to do ? Run the whole match ?

Obito's statement says he was quick to act. That example is not a good one because Naruto can def move faster then Mokuton.

Lol what ? naruto's tails could easily break Bee free from them and you're telling me that those chakra receivers are holding a gigantic Mokuton whose arms are mountain sized ? Lol

 

[VongolaX]

Hashirama wins. Im an Obito fan but any Obito other than Juubi Jin Obito is losing to Hashirama without much difficulty. Shinsuusenju shits on Obito and his Bijuu plus the Gedo Mazo. Mokujin fought Kurama and Ps combined that's enough to give Hashirama the win alone a real debate isn't needed for this thread.

Has it been ever taken into consideration that Obito can warp behind Hashirama?

During the war, kcm naruto didn't sense Obito warp right behind him.

Minato who is arguable the fastest s/t user wasn't able to sense Obito until the last second?

Even by then, Obito touched minato and nearly warped him.

Hashirama who isn't as fast, would be warped in no time.

 

[ARGUS]

Hashirama wins this

--Once he goes SM he has the reflexes to react and dodge something as fast as FTG,,, meaning that kamui warp is not happening,,,

--Through the aid of Mokuton KB,,, Hashirama would have the diversions to disrupt Obitos kamui usage,,,and would allow the KB to attack Obito,, once Obito solidifies to attack one of the KB,, (whiich Obito wont be able to decipher),,,,,

--Hashiramas mokuton arsenal is perfect to counter against Bijuu,,,, he uses SS to overwhelm all of the bijuu and tank everything in their arsenal,,, whilst using the mokujin and myojinmon to restrain the biijuu,,,,

--Once the bijuu are down,,, Hashirama can use his flower tree world (FTW),, to bypass the 5 min limit of Obitos kamui,, and can attack him accordingly either during the jutsus interval,, or after the 5 minute limit

 

[VongolaX]

As for you up there^^

Using naruto as a retort of pulling out the stakes are pointless.

Naruto only pulled them out because Obito said he wasn't able to complete the seal.

Other than that, the stakes bind everything it touches

Even Hashirama was immobilized by Madara's black rod and requested help from Sasuke to remove it.
(Just like Hachibi to BSM naruto)

If anybody touches a completely sealed stake, it would bind them on contact (like what Tobi did to kcm naruto on top of son goku)

EJBlack can probably post the scans if needed...

I'm fairly diss appointed in the Obito vs. thread lately.

So I'll just end this post here

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Says who ? There are multiple hands that rival the size of

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, there's no reason why it can't hold all the Bijuu's. Good luck giving support to each other when you're being held by hands that rival full Kurama in size.

They are only built to suppress, meaning this jutsu was only built to hold down. It gets destroyed by Manga Release, Corrosive Gas, TBB blast, avoided with flight or Buijuu with excellent mobility then an armored Buijuu.

K then, what is he going to do ? Run the whole match ?

Why would he run? He clears an open spot, or flies away and aim chakra receivers or get close to Kamui him.

Lol what ? naruto's tails could easily break Bee free from them and you're telling me that those chakra receivers are holding a gigantic Mokuton whose arms are mountain sized ? Lol

Once again already explained[

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]. 2nd those scaling receivers use one Bee is diffinity compatble to SS, considering Obito can fully seal chain Buijuu with smaller ones[

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].

 

[RustledJimmies]

They are only built to suppress, meaning this jutsu was only built to hold down. It gets destroyed by Manga Release, Corrosive Gas, TBB blast, avoided with flight or Buijuu with excellent mobility then an armored Buijuu.

Corrosive gas, TBB when they're being held by hands bigger than Bijuu's ? What ? if they try to use TBB on the hands holding them, then they eat their own TBB or Mokujin/Shin Suusenju can return them right back at them. He doesn't need to bind all of them with Hotei, the ones that can avoid it (like the one who can fly), can be binded by either SS or Mokujin. Can you please tell me what the fuck is the bold ?

Why would he run? He clears an open spot, or flies away and aim chakra receivers or get close to Kamui him.

Let me rephrase my question, what is he going to do against Hashirama besides running ?

Once again already explained[1]. 2nd those scaling receivers use one Bee is diffinity compatble to SS, considering Obito can fully seal chain Buijuu with smaller ones[1].

Honestly, I don't know what the hell you are talking about here and I also don't get how this proves my point wrong.

 

[LuckyMan]

I think Hashirama can win this but on a side note, hes criminally overrated on this site.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Corrosive gas, TBB when they're being held by hands bigger than Bijuu's ? What ? if they try to use TBB on the hands holding them, then they eat their own TBB or Mokujin/Shin Suusenju can return them right back at them. He doesn't need to bind all of them with Hotei, the ones that can avoid it (like the one who can fly), can be binded by either SS or Mokujin. Can you please tell me what the fuck is the bold ?

1 Hand isn't cutting it to stop each Buijuu. And they aren't bigger then them. I conceded using TBB argument. Buijuu ninjutsu are more useful. They won't have to worry about SS w/ Obito here. @Bold is Kishimoto no jutsu. Its typo for Magma Release.

Let me rephrase my question, what is he going to do against Hashirama besides running ?

Chakra Receivers
Kamui.

Honestly, I don't know what the hell you are talking about here and I also don't get how this proves my point wrong.

You stated "Naruto could easily pull them out, what makes you think it will work on Hashirama." Also "SS is too big for chakra receivers to work"

1st statement I linked a scan debunking that claim on why Naruto succeeded. I then made the statement that Hashirama won't be able to do that with Mokuton as fast as Naruto did before it worked on him. Thus Hashirama will fail attempting.

The too big arugment isn't working: has a linked scan showing that smalling ones were taking care of its bigger target like Buijuus. So my conclusion states the bigger ones will successful to SS.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Has it been ever taken into consideration that Obito can warp behind Hashirama?

During the war, kcm naruto didn't sense Obito warp right behind him.

Minato who is arguable the fastest s/t user wasn't able to sense Obito until the last second?

Even by then, Obito touched minato and nearly warped him.

Hashirama who isn't as fast, would be warped in no time.

Mokuton bushins say Hi.

 

[RustledJimmies]

1 Hand isn't cutting it to stop each Buijuu. And they aren't bigger then them. I conceded using TBB argument. Buijuu ninjutsu are more useful. They won't have to worry about SS w/ Obito here. @Bold is Kishimoto no jutsu. Its typo for Magma Release.

Yes, they are and yes, they are. Yes, they have to worry about SS as Obito can't do shit about it.

Chakra Receivers
Kamui.

Chakra Receivers ain't holding SS, no way in hell.
Obito is never touching Hashirama, so Obito won't even have the opportunity to use Kamui offensively.

You stated "Naruto could easily pull them out, what makes you think it will work on Hashirama." Also "SS is too big for chakra receivers to work"

1st statement I linked a scan debunking that claim on why Naruto succeeded. I then made the statement that Hashirama won't be able to do with with Mokuton as fast as Naruto did before it worked on him. Thus Hashirama will fail attempting.

The too big arugment isn't working as a linked the scan showing that smalling ones were taking care of its bigger target like Buijuus. So my conclusion states the bigger ones will successful to SS.

SS's size was never the reason the Receivers are not holding it, its power is.

Hashirama won't fail attempting, Naruto could remove them with his tails, I still don't see a reason Shin Suusenju won't be able to do the same, he threw the receivers at Bee 2 chapters before and only then Naruto removed them, so are you suggesting Hashirama won't be able to break free until then ?

Again, it's not the size that matters, its power does.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Yes, they are and yes, they are. Yes, they have to worry about SS as Obito can't do shit about it.

No they aren't these Buijuu ninjutsu completely destroys them. No they aren't as, it took 4-5 hands to bind Kurama (Kurama is Bunta size). 7 tails simply builds a defense to blind, while Obito Kamui warps to Hashirama @ SS top, forcing Hashirama to focus on him. +He doesn't know the mechanics of Kamui,

Chakra Receivers ain't holding SS, no way in hell.
Obito is never touching Hashirama, so Obito won't even have the opportunity to use Kamui offensively.

Same as above.

SS's size was never the reason the Receivers are not holding it, its power is.

What power?

Hashirama won't fail attempting, Naruto could remove them with his tails, I still don't see a reason Shin Suusenju won't be able to do the same, he threw the receivers at Bee 2 chapters before and only then Naruto removed them, so are you suggesting Hashirama won't be able to break free until then ?

Again, it's not the size that matters, its power does.

No because to each ones own when it comes to touching them. That same scan I post showed Hacibi completely bind. Obito statement tells you that he had to redo it to others differently when touching someone else, via Naruto.

For Hashirama to break free is for Mokuton to react fast enough to pull them all out. And of course Obito gets to choose the most awkward and unconformable spots for Hashirama, due to its large size. In fact, materialize one inside

 

[RustledJimmies]

No they aren't these Buijuu ninjutsu completely destroys them. No they aren't as, it took 4-5 hands to bind Kurama (Kurama is Bunta size). 7 tails simply builds a defense to blind, while Obito Kamui warps to Hashirama @ SS top, forcing Hashirama to focus on him. +He doesn't know the mechanics of Kamui,

No, they don't. Yes, they are, They weren't just binding Kurama, they were attempting to stop Madara's PS sword. Hashirama can sense him, he'll know if he tries to warp behind him, and when he tries to do so, Hashirama fuses with his Mokuton using Mayfly. The whole alliance knows the mechanics of Kamui, seeing as the alliance is constantly sharing intel, it's safe to assume that he knows them too.

What power?

Physical.

No because to each ones own when it comes to touching them. That same scan I post showed Hacibi completely bind. Obito statement tells you that he had to redo it to others differently when touching someone else, via Naruto.

For Hashirama to break free is for Mokuton to react fast enough to pull them all out. And of course Obito gets to choose the most awkward and unconformable spots for Hashirama, due to its large size. In fact, materialize one inside

And why wouldn't he be able to react to them ? he is a sensor, he can use Moku bunshin, so what stops him from breaking SS free from the Chakra Receivers ?

 

[Tobitime]

Kamui is seriously a ***** though. Without intel this could be Hashi's end. It doesn't matter how strong the attack if it never connects. Hashi may not be smart enough to figure out the mechanics of kamui in time to counter