Obito was Frightened of Itachi (Kishimoto's words)

[Chie]

He didn't say he would kill him, If you know a jutsu you can exploit its weakness. Itachi did not know it so he couldn't. HOWEVER Konan did and she was the only one ever at that point to kill Obito because she knew how his Jutsu worked. But izanagi saved him. Does this mean
Konan is stronger than Obito? No she just can exploit his weakness. Because she knows about his powers and how to counter them

If Nagato showed Itachi his arsenal Itachi would figure out how to counter it. Like how Kakashi did with the 5 second interval, that defeated Pain. But Pain is still many times stronger than Naruto was at that point.

Point is, like the manga states....

Anyone can defeat anyone with the right Intel.

But in a random fight if they had no intel on either one? Obito Gostomps mercilessly..... Itachis chakra reserves are dirt poor. He's nearly blind at the start of Shippuden. After one Amaterasu he can't fight at full power anymore U_U Same with tsukuyomi. While Obito can spam Kamui all day. Has his vision, knows more about the Uchihas secrets and abilities. And has Hashirama healing IF he ever gets touched which he never will U_U

-The raw translation stated that if Itachi had known his secret, he would have been dead. :/

-Yeah, Konan exploited a weakness and failed.

-You're comparing Pain and Itachi, then went to Naruto for no reason. Okay? No, if Nagato showed Itachi Chibaku Tensei, I doubt that he'd have anything in his arsenal to counter it, even after seeing it.

-You're using an old pt1 scan that was shown during the written portion of the chuunin exams...back when all those kids were around the same level. No, not everyone can beat anyone else in this manga if they see their arsenal. I doubt that someone of Konohamaru's level would beat someone of current Naruto's level. Seeing someone's arsenal doesn't make much difference if you're considerably more powerful than they are.

-Obito doesn't godstomp mercilessly. Perhaps you adore the character, but I think you know that's not the case. BTW, nowhere in this thread am I saying Obito was afraid of Itachi, just cautious.

-Itachi's chakra pool was enough to outlast Hebi Sasuke's. That's not dirt poor by far.

-Yes, and even with slight blindness he carried on a fight with someone who had perfect vision.

-Obito lost an arm to Minato, got injured by the amaterasu activation Itachi set for him, lost an arm to a shinobi from the Aburame clan, etc. He's been touched before, in fact, if he's touched when he's tangible...he's screwed. lol

-Taking everything for a fact that pleases you in this manga while not looking at the context of it isn't very smart. Obito wasn't Itachi's mentor considering that they met only days prior to the Uchiha massacre, they share nothing in their arsenals in common, and Obito stayed away from him, lol. Itachi was partnered with Kisame and the Akatsuki only travel in pairs. That speech by Itachi was done to promote Obito in a negative light so that Sasuke would stay away from him. Sadly, that didn't work.

ok, why didn't Itachi kill Obito then? cuz Obito was clearly the biggest threat to Ninja world and Itachi knew about it, he could've prevented the war...
If u can't answer this validly then u can take your BS with u and go back to the same pit hole u came from.:bye:

Same reason he didn't in Kishimoto's RTN movie.

@bold- Obito can just leave. He's did the same in his fight against Alive Minato. If he has no incentive, why would he fight someone? Fighting Itachi, he'd gain nothing. If Itachi attempted to confront him, it's not as if Obito has to stay. He can just kamui out of there. (Like he did in the RTN movie when Itachi confronted him). This makes it pointless for Itachi to attack him or make any blatant attempts to do so.

Simply put, Itachi didn't have a chance to kill Obito. Obito leaves, nothing accomplished. The one time Obito had a serious fight while in Akatsuki and prior to the War arc is when he was fighting Konan for the Rinnegan. However, this isn't to say that Obito still wasn't cautious of Itachi, because he was a smart guy. If he had to fight him, Obito would get hurt...both shinobi would. But afraid, nah probably not.

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

No... He doesn't. Wanna know why? Because he's never SHOWN it. You can't give him an ability he's never shown. He has IZANAMI.

The counter to izanagi thus he knows izanagi

 

[DoubleKamui]

Except Kishi didn't write that movie. He only wrote the prologue of RtN (Naruto Shippuden episode 311) and left the actual movie to the animators.

 

[LogicnoJutsu]

-The raw translation stated that if Itachi had known his secret, he would have been dead. :/

I know i said that

-Yeah, Konan exploited a weakness and failed.

i know i said that, failed cuz she didn't know about izanagi

-You're comparing Pain and Itachi, then went to Naruto for no reason. Okay? No, if Nagato showed Itachi Chibaku Tensei, I doubt that he'd have anything in his arsenal to counter it, even after seeing it.

Itachi already countered CT 0.o reread the manga, i was saying that even Naruto could beat Pain with intel, why can't Itachi?

-You're using an old pt1 scan that was shown during the written portion of the chuunin exams...back when all those kids were around the same level. No, not everyone can beat anyone else in this manga if they see their arsenal. I doubt that someone of Konohamaru's level would beat someone of current Naruto's level. Seeing someone's arsenal doesn't make much difference if you're considerably more powerful than they are.

Yes I'm using a part one scan to back up my point on how Intel>Power, any fan of Naruto should know this fact

-Obito doesn't godstomp mercilessly. Perhaps you adore the character, but I think you know that's not the case. BTW, nowhere in this thread am I saying Obito was afraid of Itachi, just cautious.

Give me a counter in Itachis arsenal for Kamui

-Itachi's chakra pool was enough to outlast Hebi Sasuke's. That's not dirt poor by far.

Hebi Sasukes chakra reserves are Dirt poor too 0.o and nowhere near Obitos chakra reserves. i love how you ignored the fact that Itachi tires out from using his Mangekyo techs. Once.

-Yes, and even with slight blindness he carried on a fight with someone who had perfect vision.

He got hit by a rigged shuriken, he cannot keep up especially with Obito.

-Obito lost an arm to Minato, got injured by the amaterasu activation Itachi set for him, lost an arm to a shinobi from the Aburame clan, etc. He's been touched before, in fact, if he's touched when he's tangible...he's screwed. lol

FTG is faster than Obitos reaction time, Obito was caught off guard because it was Sasuke using it instantly when he looked at his eye and then was ok 2 seconds later, soloed the aburame and grew his arm back, Yes he's been touched but Touching doesn't mean he loses 0.o If he's touched by them he can warp them to Kamui XD Contact means he wins. And Itachi has nothing in his arsenal that could help him touch obito.

-Taking everything for a fact that pleases you in this manga while not looking at the context of it isn't very smart. Obito wasn't Itachi's mentor considering that they met only days prior to the Uchiha massacre, they share nothing in their arsenals in common, and Obito stayed away from him, lol. Itachi was partnered with Kisame and the Akatsuki only travel in pairs. That speech by Itachi was done to promote Obito in a negative light so that Sasuke would stay away from him. Sadly, that didn't work.

Lmao wow ok, You honestly believe everything Itachi told Sasuke was a lie XD. The only "Lie" was that he wanted his Eyes, he told him that so Sasuke could know that he can transplant Itachis Eyes once he's blind, Itachi wanted him to and just in case he'd turn bad, he gave Naruto the crow to respond to his eyes, That was the truth hidden behind the "lie". Everything Itachi said to him regarding Obito was the truth. Do some math, how many years was it from the Massacre to the start of the series? about 4-5 years, You think Itachi's so boss he didn't need a teacher? Where do you think he learned about Izanagi and Izanami? Or Madaras Backstory, Or even about EMS. Im not saying he taught him everything but he was his Mentor/Superior. That is a fact. How would Itachi know that Obito (madara) was a shell of his former self if Obito wasn't around and stayed away from him the entire time?

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[Chie]

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Ok, sure why not.

-Great that you said that.

-Great that you said that.

-Itachi countered CT with the combined power of himself, Naruto, and Bee. If he was alone and alive, I doubt he'd be able to disable it.

-At times Power>Intel. Naruto fans know that too. You stated that Obito mercilessly godstomps Itachi and that Itachi has absolutely no chance. Why make the claim that Intel>Power, if that's the case? Power>Intel most of the time in this series. You think that MS Obito has a much better arsenal than Itachi, one that Itachi cannot counter if they were in a regular 1v1. If the gap is large in their power, then your claim doesn't hold very true. It's the equivalent of saying someone who's a fodder, like Konohamaru can beat someone considerably higher-level, like Hebi Sasuke when he has intel. If the gap between power is too great, it won't happen.

-Any surprise attack, considering that Obito can stay in kamui for not longer than 5 minutes. He's been hurt quite a few times before. Like when he lost an arm to a shinobi from the Aburame clan. Or when he lost an arm to Minato. Or when Konan set off those paper bombs. Or during that surprise amaterasu activation. Or when Minato slashed him during the war arc. Or when Naruto hit him with rasengan. And a plethora of other moments. Once he's not in kamui, he's vulnerable. Kamui to be used on his entire body has a short time limit.

-No, Hebi Sasuke's chakra supplies are not dirt poor. Sasuke in pt1 kept up with a v1 Naruto in Kyuubi mode. For a base chakra pool, Sasuke had a great amount.

-I didn't ignore that. Just pointed out that you were greatly overexaggerating. I like the way that you ignored the fact that Obito has a time limit for kamui...one that Konan exploited.

-Zetsu stated that Itachi should have been able to easily dodge that then and we know that Itachi was intent on dying that day. Not that hard to see that he didn't go all out. This isn't an indicator of his ability to dodge, speed, or level of taijutsu by any means. A better indicator would be when he was keeping up with KCM Naruto in taijutsu and speed, when he blitzed Bee, or during his fight with Sasuke when his hand movements were so fast that they couldn't be read by the sharingan and he threw enough shuriken to be offensive and defensive.

-Amaterasu can hurt Obito. Any attack that Itachi hits Obito with while he's tangible can hurt him. Hopefully you realize that MS Obito isn't invincible here.

-I never said everything. Just the eyes and mentor part. The Massacre happened when Itachi was 13, he was introduced in the series as a 17 year old. 4 years. It's a fact that Itachi read up on the history of the village. The Uchiha tablets in Nakano shrine have intel on MS. Itachi knew about MS from the clan and the entire clan believed the qualification was to see someone close to them die, at least by Fugaku's reaction when 8 year old Sasuke asked him about it. If the Uchiha clan was aware of MS, then they knew about EMS. Madara Uchiha's statue is at the Valley of the End. Itachi spent 13 years of his life with his clan, they know the history of their founder, lol.

Itachi is a kid who went on missions alone and researched the history behind the village at age 7, according to Hiruzen. He did that on his own. Pretty evident he learned it then.

Obito told Itachi he was Madara when Itachi located him several days to a week before the Massacre. He can know that he's a shell of his former self just by the way he's conducting himself...in a secretive organization, keeping secrets, and hiding it out. Not the most amazing way for an Uchiha clan founder to live.

It was stated towards the end of pt1 that the Akatsuki had not meant together since Orochimaru left...which was the day Itachi joined. The Akatsuki came all together towards the end of pt1. That in itself destroys the idea of Obito being Itachi's mentor, if they aren't in contact for all the years of pt1 and Itachi traveled at times alone, or with his partner, Kisame.

Except Kishi didn't write that movie. He only wrote the prologue of RtN (Naruto Shippuden episode 311) and left the actual movie to the animators.

On the Saiyan Island site, when the movie was first released, it was stated that he came up with the script and drew the character designs. ._.

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He even had interviews while doing that and supervised the movie as a whole.
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[Klad]

Is it too hard to understand a manga statement ? Obito said "If Itachi knew my secrets , I'd be dead" . This means Itachi would try and eradicate Obito due to his evil deeds and the threat he gives to Ninja World or Konoha . But did Itachi know ? No , therefore , Obito > Itachi . I cannot understand how you guys think Itachi can beat a man who kept up with two jinchuurikis and two Kage levels .

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

Is it too hard to understand a manga statement ? Obito said "If Itachi knew my secrets , I'd be dead" . This means Itachi would try and eradicate Obito due to his evil deeds and the threat he gives to Ninja World or Konoha . But did Itachi know ? No , therefore , Obito > Itachi . I cannot understand how you guys think Itachi can beat a man who kept up with two jinchuurikis and two Kage levels .

Klad one of those secrets is kamui he never used it around him and that was smart

AMA caught him off guard heck zetsu is what really saved him that fire was intense yet no burns before kamui

U saw konan what do you think itachi would have done if he saw kamui be used

 

[Klad]

Klad one of those secrets is kamui he never used it around him and that was smart

AMA caught him off guard heck zetsu is what really saved him that fire was intense yet no burns before kamui

U saw konan what do you think itachi would have done if he saw kamui be used

It's true that Kamui helped Obito counter the Amaterasu from Sasuke , yes . The whole Itachi's arsenal is countered by Obito's Kamui .

If Itachi knew about Kamui he would spent countless hours to think about a plan on how to catch Obito off guard , which he would most likely fail because Obito would know about it

 

[Uchiha Brothers]

boy ,we also watch manga.i think more than you.so next time beware of making thread like this

 

[UltimateDeadpool]

Obito was NEVER scared of Itachi, he did what he wanted regardless.

What you also have to remember is that Obito played Itachi for a sucker. Itachi thought Obito was Madara and made him a deal, he'd hand "Madara" the Uchihas on a silver platter if he agreed to leave Konoha alone; but Obito ONLY cared about his Moon's Eye plan, he didn't give two shits about Konoha, and ever since then Itachi was his pawn in Akatsuki.

 

[ShiroT]

I'm sure he was just wary of him. Not absolutely frightened by him. None of the Akatsuki are fodders. He probably saw him as more of a nuisance to take head on and probably just wanted to wait him out.

yea and since they had an agreement he was upholding it.

 

[UltimateDeadpool]

yea and since they had an agreement he was upholding it.

Indeed. Obito was honoring a deal? Must had somehow meant he was scared. Flawed logic.

I agree with that. However, what's bothersome here is that Obito stated that Itachi could have killed him had he seen his arsenal...from that we can conclude that he actually wasn't stronger.

It is a good thing to keep their arsenals under wraps, however, it's not exactly needed if they're stronger. For example, if Nagato were to show Itachi his arsenal, considering how destructive and OP it is, it wouldn't make a difference and Itachi wouldn't be able to win against someone of that caliber while alive. He would just be overpowered. For Obito, this obviously was not the case.

Obito was specifically referring to that trap, however, not a direct battle with Itachi. Obito was caught unprepared for that Amaterasu trap, here Sasuke was being nursed back to health, should had been relatively harmless, Obito didn't anticipate something like that happening.

I also find it curious about what other trap Itachi could had left if he did know more about Obito's abilities; I can't really think of anything Itachi showed that would work. Totsuka, maybe, but Totsuka doesn't wield itself. There also seems to be a delay between getting stabbed and getting sealed, that may be enough time for Obito to escape.

 

[DannySenju]

Of course Obito would be scared. Itachi had susanno tsukuyomi and amaterasu

 

[UltimateDeadpool]

Of course Obito would be scared. Itachi had susanno tsukuyomi and amaterasu

Kamui > Susanoo and Amaterasu; Obito would never fall for Tsukiyomi either.

 

[Legendary Saiyan]

Obito probably wanted to be the Solo king so he waited for Itachi to die lol

 

[Zen Uchiha]

fail. obito isnt afraid of him, only his aids

aahhhh why ? XD

 

[xxSAGExx]

Itachi was the only thing keeping Obito in line for part one & two.

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Obito was the one to flee from Itachi.

The only movie written by Kishimoto pretty much shows this:

Itachi shows up to rescue Sakura and immediately realizes that physical attacks won't work:

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Itachi says he knows a way to hurt Obito in spite of Kamui:

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FYI, constantly keeping his distance is how Obito kept even Kamui a secret from Itachi.

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He kept it a secret from no other ninja...
Obito thought Itachi was THE SHIT, bra.

Obito was constantly amazed by Itachi...

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Conclusion:

Obito was incredibly, incredibly cautious of Itachi & kept his distance

He was too frightened to send Pain to destroy the leaf while itachi was a live so knowing that kakuzu and hidan wouldnt be able to harm the leaf he sent them to die

He even stayed out of Akatsuki when Itachi was roaming.

(So Madara Orochimaru and Obito have that in common.)

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Nope, being cautious is what all ninjas have to be when it comes to other strong ninjas; Itachi was cautious of Gai, Jiraiya, Obito (called him Madara and his teacher), Kabuto, Kisame (you notices he keeps his sharingan active because Kisame threated him when they first met

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Obito isn't stupid to not be cautious of Itachi, who he knew was only with Akatsuki to protect Konoha. And you're wrong, Kakuza and Hidan had the power to do a lot of damage to Konoha and kill a lot of people, they both are immortals in their own way and being in Konoha gives Kakazu access to more hearts while Hidan would just have them kill each other by taking their blood and if they attack him then it's as good as killing their own comrades. Itachi couldn't do anything to stop that because the deal was for Itachi to aid them in capturing the Bijuus and that's what Hidan and Kakuza were doing, had Itachi try and stop that could end up with more people dying since Obito can order a full on attack if he wanted to.

Obito didn't have to attack Konoha at the time, they decided to get the 9 tails last and since it's the last one, Obito wouldn't need to uphold his deal with Itachi anymore and could have him killed off either by himself or have another member do it. You seem to forget that Obito wasn't in no rush, his plans would still be fulfilled regardless of what Itachi try to do but he was cautious to not let his guard down. Thinks Itachi didn't know about him are: He is not Madara but Obito, he has part of white zetsu in him thus giving him access to Izanagi, he can summon the gedo mezo, he has fire jutsus on par with Madara, he was trained by Madara, his Kamui last only 5min, he has to be physical to warp you, he can use wood jutsus, he knows all about Itachi and his illness. Obito clearly has the advantage but that doesn't stop him from not being careful.

 

[Dark Artist]

I agree .. obito himself admitted that itachi can kill him
Obito is a fodder comparing to itachi ..

 

[AGoodBoy]

ok, why didn't Itachi kill Obito then? cuz Obito was clearly the biggest threat to Ninja world and Itachi knew about it, he could've prevented the war...
If u can't answer this validly then u can take your BS with u and go back to the same pit hole u came from.:bye:

Because obito had everyone convinced he was madara...? He even called the man who helped him, during the uchiha massacre(obito), madara and claimed madara was an invincible immortal. Why in god's name would he go take on someone he just described like that? Seeing as, by obito's admission, itachi knew little about him, itachi had no reason to believe he wasn't actually madara. The guy was pretty convincing. Lmao, what a stupid argument.

So, why didn't obito kill itachi though? Itachi was stopping him from going into konoha. Was spying on his organisation. Was stopping him from getting to sasuke and naruto. Yet he didn't so much as send an assassin after him... Obito must really be a man of his word; Just ask madara, right? Lol

 

[Demonic.]

He was wary of itachi Tough people don't like to admit e manga states that they say obiot could beat itachi no diff yet if that's e case why itachi never warp way around itachi cuz he knew itachi figure it out just like konan did and kill him

The same can be said why Itachi never took out Tobi even though he knew how much of a threat he was to the world though.