Jiraiya V.S. Pein

[Haizaki]

I don't see how Jiraiya wins the second.

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[Worm]

lml, Pein rapes. Even someone like you would know that, Thirsty Ass Mystodon.

 

[Sweg]

Base Kakashi was capable to handle both Deva and Asura, so i beg to differ

How did Kakashi handle Deva and Asura? He was dead had Nagato not revived him via Rinne Tensei lmao. So no, your fallacious conclusion has no effect on this match-up, nor will it be any different for Jiraiya since nothing suggests he will be capable of discerning the mechanics of Deva let alone obtain help from his 'comrades' in order to execute a strategy. Anyways, Jiraiya cannot handle all 6 paths. Jiraiya's summons get one shotted by a single ST, since they did when Naruto summoned them. That means he will be fending off sumons in addition to ST/BT's, getting all his attacks absorbed, fighting long ranged missiles, all the while he carries the immediate risk of getting his soul ripped. Please don't give me this Jiraiya wins because 'Pain said outcome would be different had he known about all paths' argument, by feats, Pain win low diff.

 

[Europa]

Changing the conditions won't help. Pain demolishes his existence.​

It was more or less posted to give those who, in an early and now deleted thread, the opportunity to say why they believe Jiraiya defeats Pein.

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Jiraiya acknowledged that Three Paths would be his end [

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[Strict]

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So the knowledge of Pain being bodies which are controlled by a distant person, would suddenly make Jiraiya grow stronger and beat the Pains?

 

[Haizaki]

Jiraiya acknowledged that Three Paths would be his end [

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With no knowledge still. It was implied that the outcome would be different with knowledge. That's basically Kishi telling us.

So the knowledge of Pain being bodies which are controlled by a distant person, would suddenly make Jiraiya grow stronger and beat the Pains?

I don't know what point you're trying to make here Lol

 

[Europa]

With no knowledge still. It was implied that the outcome would be different with knowledge. That's basically Kishi telling us.



I don't know what point you're trying to make here Lol

With knowledge, he realized later his only option against three (Two of which are incredibly weak on their own,) that his only option was ambushing them with the frog song.

Put up an actual argument on how Jiraiya is capable of defeating Pein with full knowledge, when all of them are ready for him.

 

[Strict]

I don't know what point you're trying to make here Lol

That you imply that once, Jiraiya found out that Pain aren't humans but bodies which are controlled, he would be suddenly strong enough to beat Pain in combat, despite he lost the combat before.

 

[Haizaki]

With knowledge, he realized later his only option against three (Two of which are incredibly weak on their own,) that his only option was ambushing them with the frog song.

No. Read what you posted

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. It clearly says what is the secret of these shinobi by the side. So no he didn't know.

Put up an actual argument on how Jiraiya is capable of defeating Pein with full knowledge, when all of them are ready for him.

When Pain himself clearly says with Knowledge he would have lost? Why are we going against Manga facts now?

 

[Haizaki]

That you imply that once, Jiraiya found out that Pain aren't humans but bodies which are controlled, he would be suddenly strong enough to beat Pain in combat, despite he lost the combat before.

No. Pain said without Knowledge on his "secrets" he would have lost. What is so hard to understand?..there's nothing more to it

 

[Sweg]

No. Read what you posted

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. It clearly says what is the secret of these shinobi by the side. So no he didn't know.



When Pain himself clearly says with Knowledge he would have lost? Why are we going against Manga facts now?

Point is, make an argument about how Jiraiya wins with feats or there's no reason for you to reply. Cheering others on doesn't mean you are debating.

 

[Europa]

No. Read what you posted

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. It clearly says what is the secret of these shinobi by the side. So no he didn't know.



When Pain himself clearly says with Knowledge he would have lost? Why are we going against Manga facts now?

Is Amaterasu as hot as the Sun all of a sudden and Itachi invincible? The idea of Jiraiya who struggled against three Peins, and later when he DID discover their secrets had to rely on his strongest technique to finish them off speaks volumes. Yes, he did eventually know not but moments later. [

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]. He had to set up a trap and rely on Ma and Pa to get the Pein's vulnerable enough to be defeated in a location that suited him quite nicely.

In open field combat, he never escapes into the pipes or anything to prep for the song. Add the other paths and he is dead relatively easy.

 

[Strict]

It's simply because, if Jiraiya found out his secret earlier, he would've tried to search for Nagato instead of facing Pain. Escaping from these thee Path's would be within Jiraiya's capabilities. Therefore the "we might not have won" (notice how he isn't even directly saying that Jiraiya would have beaten him).

Jiraiya would've had no chance to escape if Deva was there from begin with.

You take statements and interpret them to a point it's embarrassing.

Pain beat Jiraiya without full power, and you are truly telling us that once, Jiraiya knew the secret of Nagato controlling the bodies, he would have been able to beat the Paths? You sir are an idiot.

I'm out.

 

[Haizaki]

Is Amaterasu as hot as the Sun all of a sudden and Itachi invincible? The idea of Jiraiya who struggled against three Peins, and later when he DID discover their secrets had to rely on his strongest technique to finish them off speaks volumes. Yes, he did eventually know not but moments later. [

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]. He had to set up a trap and rely on Ma and Pa to get the Pein's vulnerable enough to be defeated in a location that suited him quite nicely.

In open field combat, he never escapes into the pipes or anything to prep for the song. Add the other paths and he is dead relatively easy.

- He had one hand when he found out so I don't really agree with that point.

I'll agree you made a good point about the location which could change the outcome as well.

Point is, make an argument about how Jiraiya wins with feats or there's no reason for you to reply. Cheering others on doesn't mean you are debating.

Cheering others on?..looks like there's no reason for you to reply Lol .

 

[Black Wolf]

Jiraiya "could have" won with knowledge in that specific scenario in the sense that he could have just tracked down and killed Nagato's crippled body. It's pretty obvious Jiraiya does not stand a chance against the six paths in open combat, especially after what we saw happen to a superior Sage that also had the benefit of having the strongest tailed beast to bail him out of tight spots.

 

[Europa]

That was far before he had lost his limb. He lost it a chapter later [

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[Sweg]

- He had one hand when he found out so I don't really agree with that point.

I'll agree you made a good point about the location which could change the outcome as well.



Cheering others on?..looks like there's no reason for you to reply Lol .

Go wank to bogard more, lel. And there is all the reason for me to reply, I see you in tonnes of threads acting as if you are winning arguments or something when all you are doing is posting telling people to stop ignoring mangafacts aka 'hype' when you can't make a decent argument to support your favourable character.

 

[Haizaki]

That was far before he had lost his limb. He lost it a chapter later [

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You misunderstood what I said. He figured Pain's secret after losing an arm.

Go wank to bogard more, lel. And there is all the reason for me to reply, I see you in tonnes of threads acting as if you are winning arguments or something when all you are doing is posting telling people to stop ignoring mangafacts aka 'hype' when you can't make a decent argument to support your favourable character.

As for you idiot, I don't know the relevance of this. Wanking Bogard by saying I'm feeling the Chrollo hype? Not to mention the fact that we both watch HxH. Not to mention the fact that Bogard didn't give his opinion on this Match up from what I saw earlier. smh you're a dead ass clown. I've replied to Bogard countless times disagreeing with him. Acting like I'm winning arguments by simply replying and giving my points? telling people in threads their ignoring manga fact? lol I don't know who you are first of all so I won't take you seriously. Jman isn't my favorite character. The fact that I'm saying Pain said he would have lost so I'm giving this to Jiraiya means I'm supporting my favorite character...smh hope off my nuts and go ride another dude's tip you lame ass clown. Funny how this alt changed his gender to female after he got banned

 

[Sweg]

You misunderstood what I said. He figured Pain's secret after losing an arm.



As for you idiot, I don't know the relevance of this. Wanking Bogard by saying I'm feeling the Chrollo hype? Not to mention the fact that we both watch HxH. Not to mention the fact that Bogard didn't give his opinion on this Match up from what I saw earlier. smh you're a dead ass clown. I've replied to Bogard countless times disagreeing with him. Acting like I'm winning arguments by simply replying and giving my points? telling people in threads their ignoring manga fact? lol I don't know who you are first of all so I won't take you seriously. Jman isn't my favorite character. The fact that I'm saying Pain said he would have lost so I'm giving this to Jiraiya means I'm supporting my favorite character...smh hope off my nuts and go ride another dude's tip you lame ass clown

Lawl, someone is rather sad about a comment on the internet?
Anyways, I am not strictly speaking about this thread alone, everywhere Bogard is you seem to spill some for him. You can have as many similarities as you like, I couldn't care less-- Wank is wank. And name calling doesn't effect me, so you can go on with this clown, pleb, twât, noob, or whatever else you want to call me; I won't get distressed like you, don't worry. There's no need to know who I am, I know how you are. U_U

Please quote me ever saying he was your favourite character, I said 'favourable'.. someone needs some comprehension classes I see. 'Hope' of your nuts? Dafuq do I look like? The only thing I can have hope for is people gaining confidence after seeing how small nuts can get. Evani thinks he's one of the big boys now, funny that I never see you actually debating in threads and just see you posting irrelevant and unnecessary posts which have zero relevance to the contribution of the thread.

 

[Bogard]

I already debated Jiraya vs 6 Paths of Pain before against the ultimate Pain fanboy, so if you want to get my opinion, you can find it here:

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