Jiraiya V.S. Pein

[Europa]

Location: The battle is set at Naruto versus Pein.

Distance: The same as Naruto versus Pein.

Intel: Pein has manga intel at the time of the battle. Jiraiya has full.

Conditions:

Scenario One: The Paths of Pein are in standard formation, as they were against Naruto. Jiraiya starts in base and alone.

Scenarion Two: Jiraiya begins in Sage Mode, Pein is in standard formation once again.

Who wins this battle? I firmly believe that Pein beats Jiraiya both times, with varying difficulties from low to a moderate challenge from the Gallant One. (Note; T Bogard is not permitted to post his views on this thread u_u.)

 

[Black Wolf]

Naruto pretty much had full knowledge, and had the advantage of Deva Realm being out of commission for long enough that he could fight the five support paths without too much trouble. He also had the advantage of Asura Realm underestimating him, charging in, and getting taken out (essentially a free kill).

Jiraiya's advantages are that he can maintain Sage Mode for longer and has a more versatile movepool. However, Naruto compromises for lack of Sage Mode maintainability with summoning prepped clones, and while he lacks the elemental attacks Jiraiya has, Futon Rasenshuriken trumps everything Jiraiya has. Naruto also had KN6 to fall back on when the going got tough, and KN8 to bust him out of Chibaku Tensei, both of which Jiraiya does not have.

Overall, I see no reason for Jiraiya to fare any better than Naruto did, considering Naruto had several advantages that Jiraiya doesn't have here (i.e. Deva being out of commission for a good period of time, Asura getting killed due to underestimating the opponent, and Nagato in general being tired after wasting chakra nuking a village). Sage Mode Jiraiya already admitted inferiority to three paths, and fell back on Frog Song for a victory. That won't be possible here thanks to Pain's knowledge on the jutsu as well as the far more open location.

 

[Strict]

Jiraiya has no chance. If he starts in base, he ends up like Hanzo lying before Pain's feet, who isn't even sweating.
If he starts in SM, he could push Pain to mid diff at most. The by far strongest Path was always restricted in such important battles for a reason. Once Deva got his powers back, he soloed Naruto with low diff.

 

[LuckyMan]

Pains wins scenario 1.

Jiraiya wins scenario 2.

 

[Bogard]

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[Europa]

Jiraiya wins scenario 2.

And just how will he go about doing that?

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It's nothing personal, but I just thought you'd spam the thread with Obito stating Jiraiya defeated him otherwise U_U

 

[Bogard]

Set up the battle in amegakure and Jiraya wins both scenario. In Konoha though, Jiraya would lose both scenarios U_U

It's nothing personal, but I just thought you'd spam the thread with Obito stating Jiraiya defeated him otherwise U_U

No i don't post that anymore. It's already a mangafact that all should know U_U

 

[Europa]

Bogard... Jiraiya admitted that, before he was told of the Frog Genjutsu, if the battle continued he would die against three of the paths ._.

Amegakure is like Kabuto in a cave, for Pein. Like Kisame in an ocean, Minato a forest.

The Animal and Naraka Path stay behind and out of the fight, and any corpse killed is summoned to the Naraka Path and sent out once more (For the safest victory.).

 

[Black Wolf]

Even in Amegakure, with full knowledge on Frog Song, Pain isn't going to let Jiraiya run off into the tunnels. With three additional bodies and a powerhouse in the form of Deva Realm, Jiraiya isn't going to be able to run off as he did in the manga. He will get Bansho Tenin'd off the bat, or at least one of the two frogs will.

Anyway, stating the location is Amegakure is almost like a subtle way of restricting Animal Path getting too rowdy with summons as well as Asura and Deva Realm (the two strongest paths).

 

[Rofik Miah]

Pein would probably win them, however nothing is for sure...I mean Jiraiya might have something up his sleeve...unlikey though.

 

[Bogard]

Bogard... Jiraiya admitted that, before he was told of the Frog Genjutsu, if the battle continued he would die against three of the paths ._.

Amegakure is like Kabuto in a cave, for Pein. Like Kisame in an ocean, Minato a forest.

The Animal and Naraka Path stay behind and out of the fight, and any corpse killed is summoned to the Naraka Path and sent out once more (For the safest victory.).

In Amegakure Pain is restricted in his high end moves like Chibaku tensei or Chou shinra tensei because he would never destroy his own village, giving Jiraya a better chance than if they were fighting in a neutral location

Jiraya admitted he would lose against 3 Paths because he had no knowledge(at the time) on the Rinnengan shared vision. You gave him full knowledge this time when Pain starts with no knowledge. He will take advantage of this better

 

[Sweg]

In Amegakure Pain is restricted in his high end moves like Chibaku tensei or Chou shinra tensei because he would never destroy his own village, giving Jiraya a better chance than if they were fighting in a neutral location

Jiraya admitted he would lose against 3 Paths because he had no knowledge(at the time) on the Rinnengan shared vision. You gave him full knowledge this time when Pain starts with no knowledge. He will take advantage of this better

Doesn't change the fact Deva is still too much for Jiraiya to handle. Going by feats alone, Jiraiya loses with low difficulty.

 

[Black Wolf]

OP, please clarify: "Manga knowledge at time of battle" refers to Naruto's battle with Pain or Jiraiya's battle?

 

[Europa]

In Amegakure Pain is restricted in his high end moves like Chibaku tensei or Chou shinra tensei because he would never destroy his own village, giving Jiraya a better chance than if they were fighting in a neutral location

Jiraya admitted he would lose against 3 Paths because he had no knowledge(at the time) on the Rinnengan shared vision. You gave him full knowledge this time when Pain starts with no knowledge. He will take advantage of this better

Several times in the battle Pein was able to recognize Jiraiya's moves, though. His knowledge is not zero. It's just reduced. Fair enough, but by the time Jiraiya admitted this he had already uncovered the fact that each path only has one ability, shared vision, and what not. He was pushed to the Frog Genjutsu because he couldn't find an opening initially.

With an added three paths, he never escapes into the pipe works to prep for the genjutsu.

OP, please clarify: "Manga knowledge at time of battle" refers to Naruto's battle with Pain or Jiraiya's battle?

My apologies; Everything he knew of Jiraiya right before the battle began.

 

[Bogard]

Doesn't change the fact Deva is still too much for Jiraiya to handle. Going by feats alone, Jiraiya loses with low difficulty.

Base Kakashi was capable to handle both Deva and Asura, so i beg to differ

 

[Strict]

Base Kakashi was capable to handle both Deva and Asura, so i beg to differ

He was handling them both alone? He had backup by the Ackimichi clan and was yet beaten.

 

[Dark Riku]

Pain wins in both scenarios.

 

[Haizaki]

Base Kakashi was capable to handle both Deva and Asura, so i beg to differ

Loving that Avatar and sig Bogard>>>>>>>>>>

OT: Jiraiya wins both scenarios

Edit : I exaggerated for the first a bit. He loses the first I believe and wins the second

 

[Europa]

I don't see how Jiraiya wins the second.

 

[Bronze]

Changing the conditions won't help. Pain demolishes his existence.​