Kakashi is top 10 and a top tier ninja (bar trascendent people)

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* with top tier I'm referring to the strongest and best ninjas you can find; people like the Juubi's jinchuriki, post Hagoromo Naruto and Sasuke etc I see them as god tier, so obviously they aren't in my reasoning as trascendent people; with top tier I mean skilled and deadly ninja as Minato, Obito, Kakashi, Gai, SM Kabuto, EMS Sasuke, Nagato etc

KAKASHI'S GENERAL HYPE AND PORTRAYAL

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Kakashi was a genius since his childhood: graduated on academy at 5 yrs old, became a chunin at 6 yrs old, and became a jonin at something between 10-12 yrs old (the fact that some say that "Konoha was in a war so they needed a lot of ranked people on the battlefield" is bullshit... Konoha didn't need ranked people but skilled people on the battlefield, it's not like in a battle they could say "you know, we have 437 chunin and 30 jonin on our side, you're automatically screwed!"). Son of White Fang Sakumo Hatake (hyped to be > the Sannin combined) and trained by the 4th Hokage, Minato Namikaze, who renowned his strength and hyped his skill (
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Hiruzen trusted Kakashi's skill and strength, at the time of part 1, enough to rely on him for take on the last member of Uchiha clan and the last member of the Uzumaki clan, lost son of the 4th Hokage and the Kyuubi's jinchuriki.

At the start of part 1, Kakashi was already famous all over the world for his fame and strength reputation. We see that Zabuza respects him a lot (
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The fact that some people say "part 1 Kakashi is part 1 Kabuto's equal, also because in Shippuden Kakashi acquired MS and Kabuto Orochimaru's powers, than Kakashi perfected MS and Kabuto obtained SM" ... is bullshit. Who said it? Jiraiya, one who has been far from the village from a long, long time; so he couldn't know anything about Kakashi's strength level in that moment, and even less about Kabuto's level. Also probably Jiraiya was just trying to save Naruto's ass making him freeze hyping Kabuto's strength. Also who said it? Orochimaru, one who has been far from the village from a long, long time; so he couldn't know anything about Kakashi's strength level in that moment too. Also, if you compare part 1 Kakashi's feats and part 1 Kabuto's feats, Kakashi rapes him. He is faster, has better reflexes, is physically stronger, has better taijutsu, better genjutsu, better ninjutsu. Not to mention that in two times, one time Kabuto, even with favourable circumstances (
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Also the fact that some people say "Orochimaru made part 1 Kakashi piss his pants" means nothing. Or, better: sure at that part of the story, Orochimaru was stronger than Kakashi, on a general level. But Kakashi feared because Orochimaru's evil and bad aura, not his strength; just think that if it was because of this strength, he should have liquified on the floor thinking about Itachi and Kisame, logically, doesn't it? Nonethless he jumped in the fight like a boss, stopping Kisame and ambushing Itachi, showing confidence; it's not like because he didn't show fear that part 1 Kakashi > Itachi and Kisame, as it's not like because he showed feat that part 1 Kakashi <<<<< Orochimaru.

Remember also that when Tsunade healed Kakashi from the Tsukuyomi effects, she said "beaten by only two enemies... and I thought you were a genius" hyping him. Even if she knew that he fought against Itachi Uchiha and Kisame Hoshigaki, not two little shits as "two enemies" (
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It's really important to say that Kakashi has always been equally matched with Gai. Part 1 Gai could open at least 5 Gates (if Rock Lee could) and he still was Kakashi's equal on a general level. Part 1 Kakashi was said to be a difficult match for Kisame, Kisame himself hyped him as a dign enemy (
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Part 1 Kakashi was said to be Konoha's number one ninja by the 1st databook (I can only give you and italian scan (
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Now let's go with Shippuden!

Shippuden and especially War Arc Kakashi would steamroll part 1 Kakashi in everything... hype and portrayal too. Kakashi has been, clearly, one of the biggest players in the Fourth Ninja War. Kakashi is the rival of Gai Maito, the man that, using his extreme power, is kicking SM Rinnegan Juubimadara'ass and is hyped to be far, far, far above the combined Gokage (tens of times according to Viz scan). Kakashi is also the nemesis of Obito and he outsmarted/outreacted him a lot of times, and in their final fight he won, and Obito admitted inferiority to him. I think it's really wrong to say that Obito threw out thr fight just to make Kakashi break his seal: Obito tried to kill Kakashi multiple times and he also even tried to bertray the Alliance and take his side. If Obito did something like Itachi with Hebi Sasuke, it would have been made clear... he wouldn't have admitted inferiority to Kakashi as he did (
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Kakashi is known throughout the world by name. He learned to completely control the Sharingan and to use and then perfect the Mangekyo Sharingan without being an Uchiha, gaining the moniker of "Sharingan of Kakashi" and being praised multiple times for his skill by the strongest Uchiha (
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). He was nearly named the 6th Hokage of the Leaf, after being said to be really skilled and powerful (
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), he is the protagonist teacher and father figure to Indra and Ashura's reincarnations. Madara himself hyped Kakashi as the user of the dojutsu that damaged (and could kill, with a just a little bit of luck and a couple of seconds more) the Gedo Mazo (
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), with KCM Minato asking him to take care. Just think about it: Kakashi has gone toe-toe with the strongest Uchiha, wielding the same power of them (if not better, we all know how hax and deadly is his Kamui) ... with the giant handicap of not being an Uchiha in first place. Black Zetsu's words also put Kakashi in the same boat of Minato as an equal (
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Nagato through Pain respected and hyped Kakashi's skill and strength, before the War (
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Deidara, an S-ranked ninja and Akatsuki member, hyped by Pain himself as a valuable asset for the organization, willing to take on Itachi, Orochimaru and Hebi Sasuke, was trying to avoid as best as he can to fight Kakashi at the beginning of Shippuden, even trying to make him go against Sasori to help Sakura and Chiyo. Deidara was Kakashi's ***** even when Kakashi was as his beginning with Mangekyo (
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), even saying that Kakashi's doujutsu (far for being at his best at that time) was on Itachi's level. Kakashi said that he would have killed Kakuzu by using Kamui, if Naruto and the others wouldn't have appeared. Beginning/mid Shippuden Kakashi was easily portrayed as > any Akatsuki member not being Nagato, Itachi or Obito and as the strongest ninja in Konoha (
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KAKASHI'S NINJUTSU PROWESS

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Kakashi's ninjutsu arsenal is clearly one of the best in the series. As a Mangekyo Sharingan wielder, with the Kamui jutsu, one of the most haxxed and powerful jutsu ever seen, that Kakashi perfected up to the best. But now let's focus on the rest. He is renowed as being able to use more than 1000 jutsus (
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), thanks to his Sharingan ability to copy, he is master of three elemental affinities, and an absolute expert, if not the best one, in the Raiton/Lightning Style ninjutsu. He can use Raikiri, an S-rank powerful and focused Raiton, who cut even the lightning himself (
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), he can extend it in a Raiton wolf, he can chain it with another, with the help of a Kage Bunshin, creating the thing that is probably one of the more powerful cutting jutsu/attacks in the series, the Raiden, who focuses the power of the Raiton chakra of two Raikiris. He can also use Raiton Kage Bunshin, that are Kage Bunshin full made of Raiton chakra that when destroyed by the opponent shock and paralyze him, and he is an absolute master with top notch skill in the bushinjutsu, with also the use of Kage Bunshin, Tajuu Kage Bunshin and Mizu Bunshin. Kakashi can use also the Rasengan, without any need of help to create it in his hand. Kakashi can use powerful Suiton ninjutsu, even without any pre existent water source, as Daibafuku, Suiryodan and Suijinheki. He is also skilled in Doton ninjutsu with Doryuheki and the Moguragakure no jutsu, that can be a low level jutsu, but is made as an exceptional support technique thanks to Kakashi's pure skill as a ninja fighter. Kakashi's hand seals are some of the most skilled and fastest in the series, in part 1 he could manage to hold off his own with his personal ninjutsu against Itachi's exceptionally fast ninjutsu speed (
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), and he can create ninjutsu even in mid CQC combat (
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KAKASHI'S SHARINGAN/MANGEKYO SHARINGAN PROWESS

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Kakashi's Sharingan allow (well... allowed, thanks Kishimoto):

- Sharingan/MS precognition to have enhanced reflexes
- the ability to use Raikiri effectively against high level enemies
- Sharingan/MS genjutsu
- the ability to copy and preempt ninjutsu, taijutsu and genjutsu
- the ability to warp himself to teleport from the real world in Kamui dimension and the opposite
- the ability to one-shot nearly every enemy he could ever face with Kamui, something that made him actually able to contend with nearly every ****ing character in the manga, no matter how strong and powerful

As already said, Kakashi has the exceptional feat to being able to fight on equal grounds, maybe even having the upper hand, with the strongest member of the Uchiha clan, wielding the same power, the Sharingan/Mangekyo Sharingan, but with the big handicap of not being an Uchiha in the first place. And as already said some really strong foes appreciated his dojustu prowess, not to mention that it earned Kakashi's moniker as "Sharingan's Kakashi" and "Copy Ninja" even before that he gained and perfected an asset like a Kamui-equipped Mangekyo Sharingan.

With a non perfected Kamui, as he couldn't control the size and the position of the space-time barrier for his own admission, Kakashi could use an Akatsuki like Deidara as his ***** and then was sure he could have defeated another one like Kakuzu. Some time after, Kakashi was even willing to fight Tobi, believed as the legendary Madara Uchiha, with Kamui.

Some Kamui execution feats:

- Kakashi can canonically warp a human body part in the same time (instant) Obito needs to make it intangible (
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- Kakashi warps away two Susanoo arrows when both are already at half their way and his Sharingan was still the 3 tomoe one (
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- Kakashi warps away Minato's Rasengan countered by Juudara really in no time (
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- Kakashi warps away a giant arm of the Gedo Mazo while Madara is already summoning it away with space-time summoning jutsu (
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- Kakashi feints to warp Naruto's Rasengan and then insta-warps away his body before Obito's spikes could hit him, managing to make Obito think that Kakashi missed and he succesfully hit the clone (
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). So Kakashi can Kamui away human head sized objects in a more or less instant time and even with fast moving objects/people and unpredictable situations. And he can Kamui away human body sized objects in also nearly istant times, and even giant objects. Thanks to the Kurama's chakra supply from Naruto, Kakashi's Kamui was depicted as a dangerous threat for even the Juubi (
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) and what Kakashi says after having faced the Rinnegan and being against one believed to be Uchiha Madara (
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Kakashi has also showed that he can warp off from the Kamui dimension the things that he warps in, shooting them out as Obito does, so he can for example warp away a Bijuu Dama or a Jinton, and then re-warp quickly it and surprise the opponent with his own attack. Kakashi can also warp himself with the ability of teleport anywhere he wants, gaining a really useful ability for surprise attacks and for support purposes; for example, he can go to the other dimension, focus his chakra, and then use a giant-size Kamui with ease. Or simply have rest and then perform surprise attacks on his opponent.

Kakashi's Sharingan genjutsu is really strong, it's on par with Obito's as their fight shows, and Obito has some of the greatest genjutsu feats all over the series, as controlling Yaguya + Sanbi, controlling Kurama, keeping Fu and Torune under genjutsu for a long time, reading Konan's mind and maybe even killing her with mental trauma. Also part 1 Kakashi's genjutsu was strong enough to mind**** Zabuza and to make Itachi say that he could have resisted his Sharingan genjutsu, so he had to resort to his Mangekyo Sharingan's Tsukuyomi, having to willingly deplete his chakra and his eyesight without any second thought. Also Gai had to create a special fighting style against the Sharingan's genjutsu just to face Kakashi in their sparring battles.

It's worthy to appreciate also his stamina growth: in early part 1, when out of shape, he could use the Sharingan for a few time, like some genjutsu and Suiton ninjutsu or Doton ninjutsu and Raikiri, then when he started to regain his shape he could go up on use 4 Raikiri + Sharingan. At the beginning of Shippuden he could use the Sharingan for an entire night while testing Naruto and Sakura. After that, he used 3 times the Kamui (one against a giant explosion) against Deidara. Then against Kakuzu/Hidan and against Pain he showed an even increased stamina. In the War Arc Kakashi could use 5 Kamui (one of the giant head of the Gedo Mazo) one after another and with perfect prowess, while at the same time he was using the Sharingan and some strong ninjutsu, as Raikiri and Raiden, for hours, before exhausting his reserves. Then, after coming back from the Kamui dimension in chapter 655, he used the Kamui for 7 times with exceptional prowess as well and in fast succession (Kamui teleporting in 655, Kamui on Gedo Mazo in 659, Kamui on Obito in 665, Kamui on Minato's Rasengan in 665, Kamui on Naruto, Sakura and Gaara's sand cloud in 666, Kamui on Obito in 666, Kamui on Madara's Onmyoton shield in 669) and also the Sharingan and other jutsu.

KAKASHI'S SPEED, TAIJUTSU, PHYSICAL PROWESS

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First of all: remember that until after the chunin exams, part 1 Kakashi was a lot out of shape (
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Kakashi has been portrayed as a speedster since his childhood (
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With a mere kunai in his hand, Kakashi could stop the swing of Zabuza's Kubikirihocho sword (
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) and we know that he has always been sparring with the absolute master of taijutsu, Maito Gai. Part 1 Kakashi could also dodge and blitz Zabuza several times (
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); if you want to say "well but Zabuza lost his mind at that moment" I think it's true just on a certain point, remember that Kakashi was out of shape, first thing, but was also really exhausted at that point. Kakashi could open at least the 1st Gate (
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Beginning of Shippuden Kakashi can easily handle a Shoten Itachi (30% of Itachi's chakra but perfectly equal skills in taijutsu, speed, everything) in a CQC battle, even using a Kage Bunshin. Shippuden Kakashi could dodge a forest-destroying attack (Kakuzu's Fuuton: Atsugai) at point blank and with his attention divided by the taijutsu fight against Hidan (where, even with an injured arm, he was taking care of him with ease using just a mere kunai against his scythe), keeping up with Kakuzu's masks and taking an eye on team 10 (
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) ... and right after that quickly intercept Kakuzu's fast Raiton ninjutsu with Raikiri, saving team 10's asses (
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Kakashi tanked like nothing a surprise Domu-enhanced kick from Kakuzu that send him flying for metres away and breaking some giant trees, or a couple of Shinra Tensei, and didn't lose consciousness even from the 3rd, as Choza (one who could jump in between Asuma' Katon ash ninjutsu like a boss) did. Kakashi also fought a lot of times with wounds and injuries without his performance being hindered. Kakashi can also wield the Kubikirihocho with just one hand with great skill and for hours, and his physical strength is so high to make Obito internally bleed with just a couple of punches. Also as said before he can stop a Kubikirihocho swing with a mere and small kunai.

KAKASHI'S REACTIONS/REFLEXES, SMARTNESS AND GENERAL NINJA SKILL

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Part 1 Kakashi couldn't follow Itachi's fast jutsu execution, but he could react to it showing great execution speed too, and he could perfectly understand and counter his combo (
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), wasting his opportunity to attack to save Kurenai from Bunshin Daibakuha. Part 1 Kakashi's reflexes and jutsu skills were above the ones of Hebi Sasuke in Shippuden and we know how fast and reflexive Sasuke was.

Shippuden Kakashi showed astonishing reactions in the Kakuzu/Hidan fight, against Pain, against Sasuke's Susanoo and then in the War Arc. Kakashi tracked KCM and BM Naruto's speed and insta-Kamui'd his attacks in the same time that Obito used his intangibilty (chap. 596), or manage to fool him in mere instants (re-read 598), these are some crazy feats. He can canonically react at least on par with Minato (
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) but seemed even better than Yondaime, if we account that here (
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) Minato is hit two times (in between his sliced arm is also kicked away) without being able to react and Hiraishin away, but Kakashi, even if he could absolutely not be prepared for what happened and was clearly surprised, could activate and execute Kamui in a millisecond, warping away Minato's Rasengan countered by Madara (
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Kakashi is said to be smarter than Shikamaru (
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CONCLUSION

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I've tried my best to regroup Kakashi's best feats and the best statements in regard of his general value as a ninja. Hope my work helps people to understand how strong and how skilled he is.

So based on feats and hype, part 1 Kakashi was already a ****ing strong ninja, really skilled, on low spectrum of S-rank/kage level. He had some great qualities but sure he had the drawbacks of having a really low stamina, but in that time he had the skill to kill strong people. Of course he had a long way to reassure his real level and upgrade it to what he showed in Shippuden and even more in the War Arc.

Shippuden Kakashi is hella strong, better than current Gokage and any Akatsuki member bar Nagato/Pain, Obito and Itachi, able to give them a really difficult win, and he can probably defeat sick Itachi. War Arc Kakashi (with Sharingan ofc) well... I think that he is one of the strongest character in the series, no contest, on par if not even better than people like Minato, Tobirama, and so on. He can one-shot nearly anyone with his Kamui prowess, his base skills are some of the best in the series and his portrayal is clearly the one of the key-players in the War Arc.
 
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ya waaaaay to much text. if you really want people to read it your gonna have to summarize BIG TIME.
 
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Kakashi is definitely strong, but he isn't in the top 10.
 

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ohh wow, dint read.!!

kakashi w/o sharingan is fodder.!!
 
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what do you have to learn?



On Nb people will never read text that is this long bruh

Note: next time. Make it Shorter. but just as informatic
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OT: no he is not Top10
 
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MS Kakashi is top 10 U_U

I fail to see how having such an overpowered technique like long-range kamui doesn't put you with the top dogs. He is 9 in my list (pre-juubi powerups + kaguya)
 
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Kakashi is really an exceptional ninja: smart, great in everything as one of the most all rounded shinobi in the series, and then he has a resource like the Kamui. I'm talking about pre Sharingan lost Kakashi, obviously.
 
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Well, this is a long post, anyway, I always considered Kakashi n° 11 or 10
 
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Selan said:
Butthurt? Don't worry, Kamui GG is the answer.
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I don't care about that fantasy, I'm worried you think Naruto sees Kakashi as a father figure. Naruto don't love these hoes.
 
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1st off Kakashi was famous as "Kakashi of the Sharingan". He no longer posses the sharingan. so the only sharinganless feats left are from Kakashi gaiden arc where he was around 13.
He has no battle feats without his sharingan...he poped it in almost his every single fight.
Only thing left are his few jutsus which seriously lack firepower and his intelligence feats. so i don't know man..u tell me, is he really top 10 material without his sharingan? not even Kage lvl i'd say

also, about the Obito part, i disagree. Obito planned to remove his seal by getting pierced by Kakashi from the get go. you can see this clearly,
here Obito says, its time for him to become the jin(Thus its time to remove the seal)
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In the very next Obito panel he takes Kakashi to the other dimension so that the seal could be removed without any interruptions as he didn't want madara to know about it
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while Madara is seen distracted , fapping over Hashirama just in the previous pages
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anyhow , Kakashi is one of my favs aswell but i don't see him in top 10 Ninja list.
 
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It's about Kakashi, so I'm agreeing...

But maybe w/o Sharingan, he isn't that much...
 
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synkross said:
1st off Kakashi was famous as "Kakashi of the Sharingan". He no longer posses the sharingan. so the only sharinganless feats left are from Kakashi gaiden arc where he was around 13.
He has no battle feats without his sharingan...he poped it in almost his every single fight.
Only thing left are his few jutsus which seriously lack firepower and his intelligence feats. so i don't know man..u tell me, is he really top 10 material without his sharingan? not even Kage lvl i'd say

also, about the Obito part, i disagree. Obito planned to remove his seal by getting pierced by Kakashi from the get go. you can see this clearly,
here Obito says, its time for him to become the jin(Thus its time to remove the seal)
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In the very next Obito panel he takes Kakashi to the other dimension so that the seal could be removed without any interruptions as he didn't want madara to know about it
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while Madara is seen distracted , fapping over Hashirama just in the previous pages
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anyhow , Kakashi is one of my favs aswell but i don't see him in top 10 Ninja list.
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Without his Sharingan of course is not top 10, obviously, I was talking about before he lost it.

I disagree, Obito would have mocked Kakashi for having actually helped him instead of admitting his defeat, and everything in regard on that fight would have been different. Also Obito warped Kakashi and Kakashi warped Obito, in that situation, you can clearly see Kamui warp spiral coming from Kakashi's eye and also the fact that the vortex isn't pointed on one direction but completely omnidirectional.
 
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Selan said:
Without his Sharingan of course is not top 10, obviously, I was talking about before he lost it.

I disagree, Obito would have mocked Kakashi for having actually helped him instead of admitting his defeat, and everything in regard on that fight would have been different. Also Obito warped Kakashi and Kakashi warped Obito, in that situation, you can clearly see Kamui warp spiral coming from Kakashi's eye and also the fact that the vortex isn't pointed on one direction but completely omnidirectional.
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Mocked Kakashi while Obito had hole in his chest?lolz yep, that would be the right thing to do. Obito planned to take the hit but the damage was real.
and about the vortex thing, kakashi didn't meant to wrap Obito. He had already activated Kamui to wrap the Gedo Statue, Obito just intercepted it and took kakashi into the vortex, this is why Obito fell the moment they went to kamui land. Because the vortex was opened by Kakashi
 
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synkross said:
Mocked Kakashi while Obito had hole in his chest?lolz yep, that would be the right thing to do. Obito planned to take the hit but the damage was real.
and about the vortex thing, kakashi didn't meant to wrap Obito. He had already activated Kamui to wrap the Gedo Statue, Obito just intercepted it and took kakashi into the vortex, this is why Obito fell the moment they went to kamui land. Because the vortex was opened by Kakashi
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Yeah, because if Kakashi even if nearly killing him would have sort of helped him to reach his objective.

Kamui's space-time barrier (and vortex) doesn't travel, it appears on the objective. And Kakashi's objective was the Juubi. Obito and Kakashi both warped each other, Obito took Kakashi and Kakashi took Obito.
 
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