Naruto Manga 399 - Spoilers/Predictions

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prediction sort of

ok so i have decided to read back on the past chapters on this two week break of naruto (which sucks by the way) and i happen to notice that indeed Tobi's eyes are not the same as the eyes that are shown when Itachi is telling sasuke about the third sharingan user, itachi also says that Madara Conbined the Mangekyou Sharingan with his brothers Mankeyou Sharingan (both of em so dazou cannot be Madara or Madaras younger brother) to form a new eye technique maybe rinnegan??? that's why pain follows his orders? maybe...
 

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And start to think about joining a clan :D
There are several clans. You could join with Obito, could join the UCR, the Senju, or with CK.

PSSSSSSTT!! The senju are the best :p
 
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Guys..Listen To This..I Have Read The Bibliography Of Shisui Uchiha In Leafninja Even Though He Doesn't Have A Picture..It Is Said That He Is
"Shisui Of The Mirage"..It Means His Like A Illusion Or Maybe Very Fast Guy..I Have A Prediction That Maybe Shisui Is Tobi Just Pretending To Be Madara?? Look At Other Proofs Of Tobi Being Fast And Like A Mirage..Just Like When Sasuke Cuts Him Then Tobi Stands Up Like Nothing Happened..When Deidara Exploded And Nothing Happened..Or This..This Is A Great Proof..Do You Remember When He Just Passed On Naruto's Rasengan? Shino's Bug attack? And When Zetsu Said That "Im not like you traveling like freakin speed of light"..come on guys..its like being a mirage...^_^

i think that tobi is not madara or obito but infact shisui of the mirage, the best friend of itachi who apparently was like a brother to him and this was noted by another member of the uchiha clan, so i hope you enjoy
i dont think this theory is perfect so as always i would appreciate if anyone added anything that i may have missed or corrected something i got wrong

follow the links to find waldo,lol

first of all lets start with how i dont think itachi is the purely evil and heartless being of.....evil that some people think he is to sasuke infact i always thopught that he loved sasukevery much....probably the only person he ever loved, in this link he talks to his brother about his duties as a shinobi and how he may be hated because he is better than some, and then says this:




itachi: "even if it means hating each other, thats what it means to be an elder brother"

what this basically says is that even if sasuke hates him one day, itachi will still be doing his role as an elder brother, and as we know, he later makes sasuke hate him, so basically he doesnt take any chances for whether or not sasuke will hate him and have something to strive to, that being to be stronger than itachi.



this link is the page where the three konoha police shinobi come to see him in regards to shisui's suicide, (note the collars on their clothes....kinda like the akatsuki cloaks), when they tell him that shisui committed suicide there is a shot of itachi's eye, now in the manga i cant really tell whether it is surprise or anger but as i watched the anime, (i know a lot of you wont take what you see in the anime as proof most of the time), and in the anime he was clearly surprised......but if he did do it then why would he be so surprised that someone found a dead guy in the river
and why would he leave his body in the river anyway, i'm sure he had ways of dispatching of his body better than throw him in the river.....ANBU would be embarrased,lol
so i think itachi drowning him is out of the picture......and if itachi did kill him wouldnt there be signs of a battle, and seeing as shisui was a very strong, (possibly stronger than itachi), uchiha, he would hardly be taken down easily by itachi let alone anyone else

itachi didnt know about shisui's apparent suicide

then one of the other shinobi says this:

"i thought that you considered shisui as a true brother"

and then itachi says:

itachi: "i see.....i havent met with him recently.....that is sad to hear"

and then he is silent until one of the shinobi do something
now the way he said what he just said didnt seem to be the way someone who just found out his friend killed himself would talk about his friend

even if they met the night of the uchiha meeting that they didnt attend, they didnt need to actually "meet", as in be in the same place at the same time such as what akatsuki does so when itachi says that he hadnt seen him for a while then he may have been saying the truth, so itachi could have been sealing a bijuu or maybe shisui was telling itachi of his plans for trhe clan, this is explained in a bit.

this is the link to the page with the suicide note:



the suicide note says:

i'm tired of the duties....
there is no future for uchiha's....
and for me.....
i cannot walk out the "path" any further

this is somewhat like what someone that joins/leads akatsuki would say, when you think about what akatsuki wants and what konoha are doing and especially the uchiha's who are wasting their talents.

and this may have been a signal to itachi to start the slaughter of the clan, as in there is no future for uchiha's like it said in the note

its kind of a slap in the face to the uchiha's that after leaving them because they are too weak that you tell them they are too weak, and maybe it was a sign to itachi that he is supposed to kill the clan when he hears that shisui is dead, that may have been why he was surprised, he didnt know it would happen so soon as they had only talked about it the previous night.

at the bottom of this page one of the shinobi said:

"he was feared as shisui of the mirage and one of the most talented uchiha, he was someone that would do any mission for the clan"

and then another says:

"i doubt a man like him would leave something like this behind and die"

then itachi said:

itachi: "its not wise to judge others by your preconceptions and their appearances"

now at this point normally people think that itachi is talking about himself, i think he is talking about shisui

i'll explain why, up to this point they were talking about shisui as someone who "would do any mission for the clan:, and he wasnt a man who "would leave something like this and die", and as itachi knew that the real shisui wasnt infact what everyone thought about him, he is basically saying that they are wrong and they dont really know him.

if you look carefully at what itachi says that will explain it.

"its not wise to judge others by your preconceptions"
this is suppoesed to mean, like he said, they didnt know him

"and their appearances"
this is to say that he isnt actually dead, he just appears it.....maybe a chakra percentage clone or maybe something else

as some people say, he was angry at the shinobi accusing him, i think seeing as it wasnt direct accusation yet he wasnt talking about himself, and to someone who didnt know he was talking about shisui, it would be fine to say that itachi was talking about himself.

on the next page the three shinobi practically say that if itachi hide's anything from them they will know seeing as they have other links to the ANBU, here's the link:



on the next page there is a shot of the suicide note, and then itachi starts to get violent and totally owns the three shinobi, and repeats what he said about preconceptions and such, this was because they were accusing him of something they didnt know about.
what he says about them assuming he has patience is in regard to them thinking that the clan isnt moving on and that they keep talking about things they have no idea about.

on the next page itachi says:

itachi:"you hold onto the organisation, your clan, your name, these things limit us and limit our capacities....these things deserve to be shunned...."

organisation=konoha/police force
clan=uchiha
name=uchiha

in akatsuki they dont have a clan or name and they dont belong to a country even though they do to an organisation

"it is foolish to fear what we've yet to see and know"

he may have been talking about the powers of the MS which the clan seem to not want to reach which is why shisui and itachi were disillusioned with the clan, the "path" that the suicide note mentions may be referring to this weak path that they are on instead of utilizing their full potential and power.

here's the link:



on the next page itachi's dad tells him to stop acting strange and itachi says:

itachi: "nothing's strange......i'm just carrying out my duty"

duties to akatsuki of wiping out the clan because shisui and itachi dont see it fit to exist anymore for wasting their potential.
seeing as shisui and itachi awoke the MS they are worthy of the uchiha name.
itachi saw potential in sasuke which is why he didnt kill him but maybe there is more and it ws mainly because he loved his brother.

here's the link:

 
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a few pages later after a lot of crazy talk from itachi, sasuke shouts out to his brother and itachi flinches and snaps out of his little crazy guy routine,lol

its because itachi loves his brother that sasuke is the only one that could snap him out of it.

here's the link:



and then after apologising to his father, itachi looks at sasuke and activates the first level of his magekyou and shows it to sasuke

here is the link:



the reason i say that it is the first level is from something i saw on leafninja.com about the sharingan

here's the link:



now if you look at the 7 sharingans at the top, 1 being the blue eye and 7 being the MS that kakashi has, the MS that itachi showed sasuke was number 5.....not the form we see him with now.

the MS we see him with now and after the uchiha massacre is number 6 on the list.....the one where you apparently get by killing your best friend, now as we know from kakashi didnt obtain it this way, it is slightly differeent but it is still an MS.

so therefore he didnt get number 6 from killing shisui, sure he could have had the full MS and only chose to show the first level to sasuke but i'm not sure about this

the way i think uchiha's get the MS is that only the geniuses in the bloodline can get it, shisui was considered one of if not the strongest uchiha and of course itachi was.

therefore itachi didnt need to kill shisui to get it

later on when itachi tells sasuke that if sasuke gains MS there would be three people that can use it, (or something to that effect).

at this point kakashi had the sharingan for five years so it is enrirely possible that itachi may have known he had a sharingan, but then again kakashi may have become famous as kakashi of the sharingan after the clan was wiped out, therefore someone with a sharingan would have been a big deal, but then again he may have known about kakashi from his days in the ANBU if they even let that kind of information about a shinobi be known so if he didnt mean kakashi then he would mean shisui, and also kakashi wasnt uchiha blood so itachi could have thought that kakashi couldnt learn MS which may be why he was so surprised when kakashi let itachi know that he had the MS in their fight during the rescue gaara arc.

another thing to suggest that itachi loves sasuke

here's the link:



now i know some people say he wasnt crying at all because he said that he knew sasuke wasnt dead but after facing such a powerful shinobi such as deidara and living........he was very happy that sasuke survived and that he had finally gained enough power like itachi always wanted him to.
 
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i think earlier there was a discussion regarding why would madara help itachi kill his own clan. i think may be it has got to do something with the fight at "valley of end"(correct me if i am wrong) between madara and the 1st hokage. i think the uchiha clan decided to go with the winner of the fight. when 1st hokage defeated madara in the valley of end the uchiha's decided to go with the more powerful ninja i.e. the 1st hokage. when 1st hakage died there was no one to stop madara so he unleashed kyubi on the village but 4th stopped him by sealing the kyubi. then he decided to help itachi in wiping out the clan because may be he wanted to avenge from the clan for which he always fought but the clan gave up on him and went with the 1st hokage.

what do you guys think?
 

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very good

This is Sasuke's year for the most part...though Sakura n Kakashi are supposed to have some big-things happen to them as well so I think if Kishi knows what he is doing...he's going to milk this "truth" as long as he can...so he doesn't quite gie away exactly what Madara's (and Sasuke's for that matter) true intentions are 2 quick. Especially since we know what Pein's true intentions already are.

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*Needs new chapter aaahhh!!*

Personal thoughts about what we've seen sense I haven't been posting on here.

1. Itachi is a member of root. Danzoo gave the order Sarutobi found out only after it happened.

2. Itachi was not poisoned during his fight with Sasuke.

3. Itachi did not hold back against Sasuke.

4. In Itach's dieing moments he decided to give Sasuke MS to keep him from the truth. The reason Itachi knew he'd die is from the Kirin hit & over using Susanoo to seal away the hydra. All he could do was use the rest of his energy to block & pass on MS to Sasuke.

5. Itachi's true reason for keeping Sasuke alive was to gain PMS or end his life. Itachi needed PMS because he wanted to kill Madara.

6. Itachi was Jiraiya's spy. Explaining why he wouldn't kill Konoha ninja. Also explaining why he didn't simply Ameratsu Jiraiya as he started toad stomach. Also explaining why Jiraiya didn't simply trap Kisame& Itachi then quickly kill them with toad stomach.

7. Sasuke is going to target Konoha & join Akatsuki.

8. Sasuke will ether kill a person close to Naruto causing Naruto to kill Sasuke, hold back last minute in a fight & change sides again, or get his ass kicked by Naruto (without killing someone) which will in turn wake Sasuke up from Madara's manipulation. My main requirement for a potential Sasuke death is Sasuke first killing a member of Konoha. Preferably someone close to Naruto like Kakashi, Sakura, or even Tsunade.
 
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Hmmmm.. well i still dont see anyway that shodaime could beat madara. I mean one thing is that his fire could burn shodaimes wood and the EMS is just too poewrful. Something else had to have happened. Well we will see in a couple of days.
 

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i think earlier there was a discussion regarding why would madara help itachi kill his own clan. i think may be it has got to do something with the fight at "valley of end"(correct me if i am wrong) between madara and the 1st hokage. i think the uchiha clan decided to go with the winner of the fight. when 1st hokage defeated madara in the valley of end the uchiha's decided to go with the more powerful ninja i.e. the 1st hokage. when 1st hakage died there was no one to stop madara so he unleashed kyubi on the village but 4th stopped him by sealing the kyubi. then he decided to help itachi in wiping out the clan because may be he wanted to avenge from the clan for which he always fought but the clan gave up on him and went with the 1st hokage.

what do you guys think?
thats pretty clever from u
 

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Every post is great... When someone here said that Itachi gave Sasuke his MS is true but i think it has more to that, that Sasuke is going to develop new MS, because in the battle with Naruto (in the anime - don't know about the manga (because i read it from shippuuden) ) he went to one point of MS (3 bladed sharingan) it's just i can't find it. Think about it Sasuke has Itachi's and he develops his own MS and they combine like Madara's and his brother.

Also i read in this post somewhere that Orochimaru is gone, and now Itachi...
Well I think that Orochimaru will be back because of Kabuto, didn't Hinata said that Orochimaru is consuming Kabuto's body???

And because I am new at this, I want to know how to add pictures like signatures in my posts?
 
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