[VS] Itachi and Nagato vs BM Naruto and EMS Sasuke

[xcoyote]

Sasuke gets a brand new cloak and solos comfortably,Naruto can sit on his ass and eat ramen.

 

[Beans2]

Naruto nd Sasuke win

 

[genii96]

Sasuke doesn't have to show us he can do it. The thing is, Sasuke can use PS just like Madara can use PS as well.It's having EMS. Being able to access it. Where in the Manga was it said that one susanoo attack is stronger than the other?...susanoo is susanoo. Only difference is Itachi because he acquired the totsuka and yata.

He can't fly above PS before he gets hit. The dog gets hit and flies away similar to how the kages were sent flying. Even if he summons any of the following, they get dealt with easily and Nagato gets hit.

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Obito was able to follow taiseki with his sharingan and attack him before he could. The chameleon has the same tecnique which ivloves blending with it's surrounding, and sasuke would not have any problem with that

going by our logic rikudosasuke's ps is equal to ems madara's ps. No way does itachi's susanoo compare to a ps,it is stronger than a complete susanoo yes,not ps. Sasuke's susanoo was boosted by senjutsu,yet never made a shockwave,madara's susanoo made one with a casual swing.

Sasuke can use tsukiyomi,like itachi. Yet danzo called his own a far cry from itachi's. The same sasuke has better ama usage than itachi.
Sasuke was said to have the potential to surpass madara after showing his susanoo,he isnt there yet. If he hasnt shown it he cant use it. Its the same as me saying nagato can use linbo,ot make multiple ct's because he has a double rinnegan.
When sasuke learned that blind madara could absorb ninjutsu,he didnt use ps,he went with kenjutsu,further debunking your assumption.
Madara's ribcage only cracked with tsunade's punch,ay's chop broke sasuke's ribcage. Sasuke's current ops has wings,does madara have that too?,could madara's ps fly?
.if he dosent have the feats,he dosent get it.

The shockwave dosent go as high as ps,just the debris,the shockwave dosent go that high,hashi was at elevetaed ground(on his golem) when the shockwaves came and he wasnt hit against both alive and edo madara
the kages were not blown far,they just got knocked off their feet cuz the ground below was giving way,hashi jumped to avoid that. The dog wont either

Gedo tanks it too. Sasuke isnt beating gedo
Dont compare the chamelion with a fodder ninja,there are levels of that tech,muu for insrance couldnt be detected at all. The chamelion couldnt be sensed at all by naruto,itachi couldnt warn naruto either,ma and pa,perfect sages,had to rely on contact means to find it iirc with ma's tounge. It cant be sensed or seen.




@russle,
nagato was INSIDE the chamelion,so if he just aimed it,it would have hit the chamelion as well,thus that means the st was precise on naruto's and killer bee's body and location.he can also use bt on the flames cant he?,
also if naruto punds itachi,then sasuke ayyemos to use amaterasu,what stops nagato from just blasting ialtachi to bits?,thus making regenerate quickly?.
Also nagato can just have gedo aid itachi and use it's chakra chains on naryto:yeah:
i dont see them stopping the soul dragon,nagato has 7 bijuus in it,so his chakra is not needed,and he can make about 9 of the dragons with deva alone

 

[Waltz]

Team 2 low diff.

BM Naruto stomps Itachi.
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I wonder whether or not you actually realize this is an Itachi capable of spamming his Mangekyo Sharingan techniques? Are you speaking vaguely without coming to a complete understanding of what is being contrasted, that is, An Edo Tensei Itachi who cannot be 'stomped' by any means the opposing could provide; to a BM Naruto who is entirely subject to Itachi's ocular prowess. Nothing Naruto can produce are capable of breaching Itachi's defenses, his Kyubi cloak is only a protruding target for Totsuka's pierce----Uzumaki's entire arsenal is redundant. ​

 

[-6 Paths-]

..Ya know...​

The second I saw this, I knew 'dis was gonna be gud.
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[TRE MERCER]

Naruto and Sasuke losses only because they have no sealing techs.

 

[LustyLover]

Team one is too good of a team. Edo Itachi > EMS Sasuke and chakra cloaks/BM is going to be useless here since Nagato can simply absorb it. Not to mention team one literally has a perfect defense throughout the entire fight.

 

[ARGUS]

Naruto and sasuke win this,,

-PS+Kyuubi is way too much for these guys,,,,,
-Restrict that and even then naruto and sasuke would win,, since any of them can beat itachi in a 1v1 mid diff

 

[LustyLover]

Naruto and sasuke win this,,

-PS+Kyuubi is way too much for these guys,,,,,
-Restrict that and even then naruto and sasuke would win,, since any of them can beat itachi in a 1v1 mid diff

Except that Izanami isn't restricted and that too would one-shot Sasuke v.v.

Itachi is basically able to spam the literal shit of Yata and Amaterasu. I don't see him being defeated here at all.

 

[TRE MERCER]

If Nagato is mobile they win. Team one is too good of a team. Edo Itachi > EMS Sasuke and chakra cloaks/BM is going to be useless here since Nagato can simply absorb it. Not to mention team one literally has a perfect defense throughout the entire fight.

What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I've ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response was there anything that could even be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having to see that I award you no points and may God have mercy on your logic.

 

[Haizaki]

going by our logic rikudosasuke's ps is equal to ems madara's ps. No way does itachi's susanoo compare to a ps,it is stronger than a complete susanoo yes,not ps. Sasuke's susanoo was boosted by senjutsu,yet never made a shockwave,madara's susanoo made one with a casual swing.

Lol no. You misunderstood
I never compared Itachi's susanoo to PS. EMS enables Sasuke to do the same as well unless you have proof that it doesn't. Like I said, it comes with him having EMS. Its destructive capability is the same. Nothing suggest that Madara added something to his PS to make its destructive capability somewhat stronger than Sasuke's. Rikudosasuke is a completely different story.

Sasuke can use tsukiyomi,like itachi. Yet danzo called his own a far cry from itachi's. The same sasuke has better ama usage than itachi.
Sasuke was said to have the potential to surpass madara after showing his susanoo,he isnt there yet. If he hasnt shown it he cant use it. Its the same as me saying nagato can use linbo,ot make multiple ct's because he has a double rinnegan.
When sasuke learned that blind madara could absorb ninjutsu,he didnt use ps,he went with kenjutsu,further debunking your assumption.

Exactly, but no one's susanoo was said to be inferior to the another let alone PS. Matter of fact, Sasuke collaborating with Naruto reminded Hashirama of what he encountered in the past

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Sasuke not surpassing Madara at that point was not based on his PS. Did you consider the fact that Madara had the rinnegan while Sasuke didn't at that point as well.

Nagato's case is different as well. Both Madara and Sasuke can use PS. That's what matters. Nagato not being able to use Limbo doesn't matter here at all. This would matter if Sasuke couldn't use PS but he can.
Can you prove to me that Sasuke learning Madara could absorb Ninjutsu was the reason he didn't use PS?..He already attacked not using PS before he knew. He didn't know blind Madara could absorb Ninjutsu but he still attacked without using PS so that doesn't matter.
Itachi used Susanoo against Nagato who could absorb ninjutsu as well

Madara's ribcage only cracked with tsunade's punch,ay's chop broke sasuke's ribcage. Sasuke's current ops has wings,does madara have that too?,could madara's ps fly?
.if he dosent have the feats,he dosent get it.

Obviously an error, unless you're telling me Tsunade's punch is stronger than Liger bomb
This doesn't matter. Tsunade's first punch cracked Madara's susanoo ribs and then her second attack which was a kick broke it.
Raikage hit sasuke with a liger bomb and then his second attack broke susanoo ribs which was already damaged due to the first liger bomb which is stronger than Tsunade's punch.
Could Sasuke's susanoo fly before he was given hagoromo's power?

The shockwave dosent go as high as ps,just the debris,the shockwave dosent go that high,hashi was at elevetaed ground(on his golem) when the shockwaves came and he wasnt hit against both alive and edo madara
the kages were not blown far,they just got knocked off their feet cuz the ground below was giving way,hashi jumped to avoid that. The dog wont either

Gedo tanks it too. Sasuke isnt beating gedo
Dont compare the chamelion with a fodder ninja,there are levels of that tech,muu for insrance couldnt be detected at all. The chamelion couldnt be sensed at all by naruto,itachi couldnt warn naruto either,ma and pa,perfect sages,had to rely on contact means to find it iirc with ma's tounge. It cant be sensed or seen.

- The dog would be killed quickly
- Gedo gets destroyed

Itachi not warning Naruto means nothing. Not to mention the fact that Itachi wasn't even seen after Nagato came back.

Lol The sharigan isn't the same as sensing so I don't know what you're on about. Obito followed Taiseki who had the same exact technique with his sharingan. Sasuke would do the same. Mu is completely different from the chameleon.
You talk about not comparing fodders and you're doing just that.

 

[ARGUS]

Except that Izanami isn't restricted and that too would one-shot Sasuke v.v.

Itachi is basically able to spam the literal shit of Yata and Amaterasu. I don't see him being defeated here at all.

well thats a good one shot to sasuke then,,,
welll if itachi manages to land the izanami on sasuke,,,
then itachi and nagato may win,,,

-spammming amaterasu is useless here since naruto has more than enough speed to evade it,, and when he gets hit he can simply replace the charka shroud,,,,,,
-Yata mirror is featless tbh,,,, not only that but i dont see it withstanding the sheer firepower of TBB barrages or mountain dwarfing Super TBB,,,,,,
though with nagatos help the duo may win,,, so ill give u that

 

[Minator93]

Edo Itachi? then he soloes U_U

 

[Waltz]

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Now Itachi could simply cover Nagato within his Susano-ō and stand by as a watchman using the Sharingan's perceptive abilities while Nagato he raids Naru-Sasu with Rin'negan Jutsu. It is not true to say that because the opposing team is capable of uniting the Susano-ō's and Kyūbi's avatar that they would be provided a victory, simply because their raw power striking abilities in that state would have absolutely no effect on Yata-no-Kagami----It can be stretched to their individual jutsu as well. If Naruto and Sasuke decide to initially combat team Itachi in their 'Kyūbi-Susano-ō' state then in all likelihood they or rather their avatar would be sealed by Totsuka-no-Tsurugi which would remove Susano-ō from Sasuke and 'BM' from Naruto. I'll make a digression at this point since many seem to misunderstand the reason why Totsua is capable of Sealing things such as the Susano-o and Kyūbi avatar: Totsuka-no-Tsurugi's blade is imbued with with sealing jutsu in that; seals anything it pierces, that is, both

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things however, souls that are sealed within the gourd are placed under a certain Genjutsu. Susano-ō and the Kyūbi avatar are created by the same general concept however there is a difference in the methods; where Susano-ō is created from high potency of Inton saturating the Uchiha's brain and gains a form through Yōton [the physical energy taken from the user] making it an Inton based entity and on the other-hand, the Inton used the create the Kyūbi avatar is taken from Naruto [the spiritual energy taken from the user] and gain's a form via the Yōton provided by the section of Kurama sealed within Naruto making it a Yōton based entity. The Totsuka no Tsurugi can seal both as they are really a tangible manifestation of the user's/tailed beast's chakra. I'll elaborate further to say that the databook states that the katana is saturated with sealing jutsu but the souls which are sealed are placed under Genjutsu for eternity and likewise sealed away. Orochimaru's Yamata no Jutsu was also a manifestation of his Chakra yet it was sealed within the sword and also Nagato's soul along with the host to which it was attached was seald; just as Orochimaru's Yamata. Neither the 'dead host' or the 'Hydra' possessed souls yet they were sealed. Now what can be said is that as the mindset of this match-up is a complete knowledge and understanding of the opponents capabilities and Jutsu it's highly unlikely that Naruto and Sasuke would allow themselves the be caught by Totsuka unless they use an irrational approach as stated prior. However true it may be that an EMS Sasuke is stronger than any Nagato individually is really a void argument as he is assisted by Itachi and what ever he is capable of----there are simply too many collaborative possibilities and strategical approaches that could be formulated between Itachi and Nagato for Naruto and Sasuke to fairly win this matchup. An example of this is: Once Nagato is within Itachi's Susano-ō he utilizes Tendō's abilities to draw Naruto and Sasuke right into the Totsuka Katana. The match would be lengthy but due to Kurama's limitations on Chakra output and as stated by others the lack of Sealing jutsu for team 2; then it is highly likely that Team one wins this match-up.

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[Airbear]

Dam, ok waltz

 

[Brother Numpsay]

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Now Itachi could simply cover Nagato within his Susano-ō and stand by as a watchman using the Sharingan's perceptive abilities while Nagato he raids Naru-Sasu with Rin'negan Jutsu. It is not true to say that because the opposing team is capable of uniting the Susano-ō's and Kyūbi's avatar that they would be provided a victory, simply because their raw power striking abilities in that state would have absolutely no effect on Yata-no-Kagami----It can be stretched to their individual jutsu as well. If Naruto and Sasuke decide to initially combat team Itachi in their 'Kyūbi-Susano-ō' state then in all likelihood they or rather their avatar would be sealed by Totsuka-no-Tsurugi which would remove Susano-ō from Sasuke and 'BM' from Naruto. I'll make a digression at this point since many seem to misunderstand the reason why Totsua is capable of Sealing things such as the Susano-o and Kyūbi avatar: Totsuka-no-Tsurugi's blade is imbued with with sealing jutsu in that; seals anything it pierces, that is, both

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things however, souls that are sealed within the gourd are placed under a certain Genjutsu. Susano-ō and the Kyūbi avatar are created by the same general concept however there is a difference in the methods; where Susano-ō is created from high potency of Inton saturating the Uchiha's brain and gains a form through Yōton [the physical energy taken from the user] making it an Inton based entity and on the other-hand, the Inton used the create the Kyūbi avatar is taken from Naruto [the spiritual energy taken from the user] and gain's a form via the Yōton provided by the section of Kurama sealed within Naruto making it a Yōton based entity. The Totsuka no Tsurugi can seal both as they are really a tangible manifestation of the user's/tailed beast's chakra. I'll elaborate further to say that the databook states that the katana is saturated with sealing jutsu but the souls which are sealed are placed under Genjutsu for eternity and likewise sealed away. Orochimaru's Yamata no Jutsu was also a manifestation of his Chakra yet it was sealed within the sword and also Nagato's soul along with the host to which it was attached was seald; just as Orochimaru's Yamata. Neither the 'dead host' or the 'Hydra' possessed souls yet they were sealed. Now what can be said is that as the mindset of this match-up is a complete knowledge and understanding of the opponents capabilities and Jutsu it's highly unlikely that Naruto and Sasuke would allow themselves the be caught by Totsuka unless they use an irrational approach as stated prior. However true it may be that an EMS Sasuke is stronger than any Nagato individually is really a void argument as he is assisted by Itachi and what ever he is capable of----there are simply too many collaborative possibilities and strategical approaches that could be formulated between Itachi and Nagato for Naruto and Sasuke to fairly win this matchup. An example of this is: Once Nagato is within Itachi's Susano-ō he utilizes Tendō's abilities to draw Naruto and Sasuke right into the Totsuka Katana. The match would be lengthy but due to Kurama's limitations on Chakra output and as stated by others the lack of Sealing jutsu for team 2; then it is highly likely that Team one wins this match-up.

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Waltz, if you premise was true, concerning Toksuka: Why did Itachi just not pierce 8 Branch instead of directly attacking the source of the jutsu, Orochimaru.

 

[Waltz]

Waltz, if you premise was true, concerning Toksuka: Why did Itachi just not pierce 8 Branch instead of directly attacking the source of the jutsu, Orochimaru.

..Why not?...

Orochimaru would have left the hydra before the sealing was completed. ​

 

[Brother Numpsay]

..Why not?...

Orochimaru would have left the hydra before the sealing was completed. ​

Thats a good reason, since snakes were peeling off to escape..

I still have to disagree with the Edo's unlimited chakra spam argument.

 

[Unorthodox]

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Now Itachi could simply cover Nagato within his Susano-ō and stand by as a watchman using the Sharingan's perceptive abilities while Nagato he raids Naru-Sasu with Rin'negan Jutsu.​

Like what one bijuu dama shot at his susanoo its gone also nagato only means of attack is deva path naruto 6 tails withstood it let alone the bm avatar.

It is not true to say that because the opposing team is capable of uniting the Susano-ō's and Kyūbi's avatar that they would be provided a victory, simply because their raw power striking abilities in that state would have absolutely no effect on Yata-no-Kagami----It can be stretched to their individual jutsu as well.

They have much more firepower and that does give them the edge in the ability to win this yata mirror is going to need more than hype for it to even be a factor here especially when going up against bijuu dama's or perfect susanoo swords.

which would remove Susano-ō from Sasuke and 'BM' from Naruto. I'll make a digression at this point since many seem to misunderstand the reason why Totsua is capable of Sealing things such as the Susano-o and Kyūbi avatar: Totsuka-no-Tsurugi's blade is imbued with with sealing jutsu in that; seals anything it pierces, that is, both

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things however, souls that are sealed within the gourd are placed under a certain Genjutsu.

Stop just stop for one totsuka isnt piercing sasuke's perfect susanoo to even touch naruto's bm avatar also posting an edo to support you claim is egregious when totsuka is a sealing jutsu for souls edo's have souls the bm avatar doesnt nor does susanoo so you brining that up was just not good at all. Side not i agree with sealing kurama but it wont happen in a thoudsand years because naruto is to fast for that.

EMS Sasuke is stronger than any Nagato individually is really a void argument as he is assisted by Itachi and what ever he is capable of----there are simply too many collaborative possibilities and strategical approaches that could be formulated between Itachi and Nagato for Naruto and Sasuke to fairly win this matchup. An example of this is: Once Nagato is within Itachi's Susano-ō he utilizes Tendō's abilities to draw Naruto and Sasuke right into the Totsuka Katana. The match would be lengthy but due to Kurama's limitations on Chakra output and as stated by others the lack of Sealing jutsu for team 2; then it is highly likely that Team one wins this match-up.

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Naruto & Sasuke has much more combinations than them clones, enton, FRS, chakra shrouds, Bashin tenion isnt pulling perfect susanno not one bit or kurama once the use they're fusion tech gg team rinne,Ms, they would only win due to itachi being edo as none has sealing

 

[Oblivionx]

naruto and sasuke would have won high diff but how do they seal itachi?? if they can't then itachi and nagato take it ...