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I hate to be the one to try fault Avatar: The Last Airbender, hell it's one of the best told stories of this generation but one thing involving 2 characters has always gotten to me.

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Uncle Iroh is the passive character yes? Totally unbiased, wise and morally good. He single-handedly led Zuko from crazed honourless Avatar hunter to world saviour over the course of three seasons....so....why did he never do the same to Azula?

"She's crazy, and she needs to go down."
―Iroh speaking to Zuko about Azula.


I understand that Azula was more influenced by her father than her mother (Ozai was proud of power naturally) and considering she never inherited any of his genes (not her birth father) the only thing wrong Azula ever did at the start was being naturally strong- that was it. Uncle Iroh crosses paths with her a few times but is so instantly determined that she is a lost cause. Why?

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She was in a similar state to Zuko morally at the beginning of her introduction and her breakdown that ensues later due to her mother issues is something that would've likely happened to Zuko if he was shunned by his uncle. Iroh believes that people can change and do good and yet he didn't have a single second of sympathy for the girl?

And it's not as if she was at any point an absolute unredeemable monster- her character in her youth showed signs of elitism but was still friendly even. Her mother never had time for Azula and from what we saw in flashbacks mostly spent her time lecturing Azula. Zuko was weaker and so got special treatment from their mother which forced Azula onto her father, forcing this terrible maniac as her role model. I'm not saying she's a saint, i'm saying she could've been saved.

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In the episode 'Prayers of Ember Island' we follow the Fire Nation teens in their escape to a temporary social life, the treatment of Azula in this episode is VERY strange. She has moments of being her usual manipulative self but she also treats many of her comrades as actual friends for once. Sincerely apologising to Ty Lee for making her cry and admitting she is jealous of her. (WHAT)

She is open and mature with Zuko when he is ranting about his life, asking him who he is truly mad at and whether it's her. She also shows many attempts at fitting into a normal, friendly life- her upbringing ultimately failing her, but she TRIED. This episode clearly shows she isn't the monster the plot needs her to be, there's clearly a lot more there. She's a sympathetic character and one that strongly needed help, but unlike every other character never received it.
 
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You have a point, but I doubt he's seen that side of her. She masks her inner feelings so much, as shown when she was defeated, she cried and showed intense anger. As to Zuko, which Iroh probably saw the good in him, plus he reminded him of his son.
 

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You have a point, but I doubt he's seen that side of her. She masks her inner feelings so much, as shown when she was defeated, she cried and showed intense anger. As to Zuko, which Iroh probably saw the good in him, plus he reminded him of his son.
Regardless of that, from Iroh's view- they're both just children. Children who have been born into this horrible cursed family, he knows that better than anybody else. Other than the link to his son there was literally nothing redeemable about Zuko to make him think that at the very beginning of the series. It's not that Iroh didn't go out of his way to find her or anything like that (that'd be silly) but it was how instantly dismissive and against her he was that irks me.
 
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So... it's the Uncle's job to mold the kids now, eh? Iroh took on Zuko as his own because he lost his real son in a war. Iroh's projecting. It wasn't really about Zuko at first. It was about a father grieving over his son and then filling the hole in his heart by doting on his nephew. Azula is a maniac because it's just so much easier that way growing up in the Fire nation of that time. Remember how Zuko got that scar? That's what you get for showing people in the Fire nation that you have a heart (I know, they said it was about speaking out of turn, but c'mon now). Azula does not have redeeming qualities. She's just human. She was in a position to be whatever she wanted to be. Ozai gave her plenty of space and opportunity. Unlike her, Zuko went against the grain.
 

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So... it's the Uncle's job to mold the kids now, eh? Iroh took on Zuko as his own because he lost his real son in a war. Iroh's projecting. It wasn't really about Zuko at first. It was about a father grieving over his son and then filling the hole in his heart by doting on his nephew. Azula is a maniac because it's just so much easier that way growing up in the Fire nation of that time. Remember how Zuko got that scar? That's what you get for showing people in the Fire nation that you have a heart (I know, they said it was about speaking out of turn, but c'mon now). Azula does not have redeeming qualities. She's just human. She was in a position to be whatever she wanted to be. Ozai gave her plenty of space and opportunity. Unlike her, Zuko went against the grain.
I'm not saying it's his duty. I'm saying he shouldn't be so hypocritical.

Azula is such an unfair character in her treatment, of course she's shown redeeming qualities. You're writing her off as a basic villain which is what the show wants you to do but isn't the truth.
 
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Let's set the beach episode aside for a moment (it was only meant as a contrast between the two parties anyway). Name one redeeming Azula moment that wasn't immediately or eventually ruined by an ulterior motive. I'll wait...
 

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Let's set the beach episode aside for a moment (it was only meant as a contrast between the two parties anyway). Name one redeeming Azula moment that wasn't immediately or eventually ruined by an ulterior motive. I'll wait...
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This scene came to mind first.

There's also scenes where Azula genuinely tries to ask Zuzu why he wants what he wants.
 

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Lol Azulas a crazy Lying Psychopathic Narcissist to the core. Irohs wise and understanding but he's not ignorant. Azula had her chance for redemption in the Search

Im not sure how being jealous makes you a good person. That just shows that she has insecurity like everyone else, not a heart to care for others. She still manipulates Ty Lee and abuses her on the daily XD Her mom had faith in her tho but she could never live up to it. She always thought she was out to get her and it drove her insane. She showed one sign of redemption when she gave up trying to kill her mom and steal the throne from Zuko when he told her he would love her unconditionally. But she should never be allowed to rule a country. hence iron saying.

"She's crazy, and she needs to go down."
 

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Lol Azulas a crazy Lying Psychopathic Narcissist to the core. Irohs wise and understanding but he's not ignorant. Azula had her chance for redemption in the Search
That was WAY too late. Luckily Zuko never got to the point of his literal break-down but by that time Azula had already mentally been lost.

I also disagree with the Ty Lee bit. She's genuinely happy to have friends just she's been brought up to think that dominance is how you befriend and keep people by you. The fact she tried to socialise in the Ember Island episode and even had a temporary crush shows that she was trying to reach out, she just didn't know how.

And yes being jealous doesn't make you a good person I didnt say that but when it's your parents that's a TOTALLY different story.
 
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This scene came to mind first.

There's also scenes where Azula genuinely tries to ask Zuzu why he wants what he wants.
She hugged Tai lee because she was buttering her up to join the hunt for Zuko. That scene only hurts your case when you consider what it lead up to. Do I need to remind you of the burning nets? And any conversation she ever had with Zuko was either a prelude to exploitation of one of his weak points or a twidted attempt to get in his head.
 

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She hugged Tai lee because she was buttering her up to join the hunt for Zuko. That scene only hurts your case when you consider what it lead up to. Do I need to remind you of the burning nets? And any conversation she ever had with Zuko was either a prelude to exploitation of one of his weak points or a twidted attempt to get in his head.
Not all of them, there was 1-2 moments of genuine curiosity. You can tell because she temporarily loses control over the situation. Azula apologises to Ty Lee when she hurts her feelings and admits she's jealous which is a pretty big feat tbh and she's actually sad when her friends leave her
 

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Tbh despite how wise iroh is he used zuko to fill the void of losing his son. That's why he goes out of his way for him and did all the things he did. He never had that connection with azula. Thus it's reasonable why he didn't care as much.
 

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As some one already said iroh mainly focused on zuko because of his sons loss. However the main reason iroh never bothered with azula is because she was ozai's prodigy and probably taught her in every way in being a lying and egotistical bung hole the main problem with her is her mother. Which it shows in "the search" comic which further shows her madness. She found solitude in her father and I'm betting he implanted all sorts of ideas about iroh isolating her from him and zuko.
 

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Well Azula was more lost than Zuko, even when Zuko was younger he had a kind heart (sort of), he only became crazed because Ozai banished him and his only way to recover what he lost was by capturing someone who supposedly didn't exist. Remember Zuko got his scar for supporting people, instead of treating them like fodder. Azula on the hand supported the idea or at least never spoke up. Just my 2 cents.
 

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You give Azula far too much credit. She was a sociopath.
I don't disagree. But if this scene wasn't playing out so tragically I would put it to rest.

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Azula was a terrible, horrible person. She would have set the world aflame and laughed over the broken carcass of her brother.

But she was fourteen.

She was so ruined and twisted by her childhood and by her nation, driven to insanity by the expectations placed upon her.
 
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