Sasuke hasnt used his full power yet

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Sasuke: better sight, ems technique, some of one Rinnengan technique.
Naruto: Restoring lifeforce , regenerating organs, out of rasengans ranging from level 1-9 he has used level 1 JR, level 4 YRS, and the highest level level 9 BDRS.

That is a lot more that what Sasuke has shown and besides that the Juubi eye is always one eye and it >two Rinnengan

It's not just better sight, he has to actually active that ability to see the Shadow Madara as he has to do to see Madara's Shadow. Better sight would only be that he can read and see through his opponent's movements and jutsus a lot better. So that's 2 different things since one is normal and one needs to be active.

I consider the first two as the same since both are in the terms of healing/medical jutsu and you don't consider a medic healing your wounds and curing poison 2 different things do you? Only way I would see it different is if restoring Kakashi's eye was COAT and Naruto didn't restore life, it prevent it from going out and made it back to how it was.

There's no level 1-9, he has 9 Bijuus with different abilities. The power of the jutsus wouldn't be any weaker since Naruto is still using their portion of chakra along with the Yin Kurama chakra along with Senjutus and the chakra the Sage gave him.

The PS Sasuke used has wings unlike it did when he was using EMS so that's going as Rinnegan+Sharingan jutsu. He also implied that he can break the genjutsu, something only the same eye can do so that's another power that he has.

The Juubi eye has always been the 3rd eye to those who have used it at it's fullest. The Sage, Kaguya and Madara all had 3 eyes and used the Rinnegan's power

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Plus you also need to remember than the 3 mentioned all were/are Juubi jinchuuriki and had the chakra of the Juubi inside them as well. Sasuke doesn't have the chakra so he doesn't have the full power, remember Madara said Sasuke and Naruto both have half the power while he has the whole thing

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and that's when he only had 1 of his eyes.

 

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It's not just better sight, he has to actually active that ability to see the Shadow Madara as he has to do to see Madara's Shadow. Better sight would only be that he can read and see through his opponent's movements and jutsus a lot better. So that's 2 different things since one is normal and one needs to be active.

I consider the first two as the same since both are in the terms of healing/medical jutsu and you don't consider a medic healing your wounds and curing poison 2 different things do you? Only way I would see it different is if restoring Kakashi's eye was COAT and Naruto didn't restore life, it prevent it from going out and made it back to how it was.

There's no level 1-9, he has 9 Bijuus with different abilities. The power of the jutsus wouldn't be any weaker since Naruto is still using their portion of chakra along with the Yin Kurama chakra along with Senjutus and the chakra the Sage gave him.

The PS Sasuke used has wings unlike it did when he was using EMS so that's going as Rinnegan+Sharingan jutsu. He also implied that he can break the genjutsu, something only the same eye can do so that's another power that he has.

The Juubi eye has always been the 3rd eye to those who have used it at it's fullest. The Sage, Kaguya and Madara all had 3 eyes and used the Rinnegan's power

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Plus you also need to remember than the 3 mentioned all were/are Juubi jinchuuriki and had the chakra of the Juubi inside them as well. Sasuke doesn't have the chakra so he doesn't have the full power, remember Madara said Sasuke and Naruto both have half the power while he has the whole thing

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and that's when he only had 1 of his eyes.

When did sasuke used PS before?
PS is an EMS technique.It got nothing to do with SO6P

 

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We all know that Sasuke's power has still been a mystery.
I wish to see SO6P's talk with Sasuke.

 

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It's not just better sight, he has to actually active that ability to see the Shadow Madara as he has to do to see Madara's Shadow. Better sight would only be that he can read and see through his opponent's movements and jutsus a lot better. So that's 2 different things since one is normal and one needs to be active.

I consider the first two as the same since both are in the terms of healing/medical jutsu and you don't consider a medic healing your wounds and curing poison 2 different things do you? Only way I would see it different is if restoring Kakashi's eye was COAT and Naruto didn't restore life, it prevent it from going out and made it back to how it was.

There's no level 1-9, he has 9 Bijuus with different abilities. The power of the jutsus wouldn't be any weaker since Naruto is still using their portion of chakra along with the Yin Kurama chakra along with Senjutus and the chakra the Sage gave him.

The PS Sasuke used has wings unlike it did when he was using EMS so that's going as Rinnegan+Sharingan jutsu. He also implied that he can break the genjutsu, something only the same eye can do so that's another power that he has.

The Juubi eye has always been the 3rd eye to those who have used it at it's fullest. The Sage, Kaguya and Madara all had 3 eyes and used the Rinnegan's power

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Plus you also need to remember than the 3 mentioned all were/are Juubi jinchuuriki and had the chakra of the Juubi inside them as well. Sasuke doesn't have the chakra so he doesn't have the full power, remember Madara said Sasuke and Naruto both have half the power while he has the whole thing

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and that's when he only had 1 of his eyes.

1. Thats like saying you have to use a technique to see with your sharingan -_-
2. Okay
3. My point was that Kurama was the strongest bijuu therefore BDRS is the most destructive technique Naruto will have
4. Yes, Sasuke's current Susanoo originates from his rinnengan, but PS is an EMS jutsu therefore I wouldn't put it as a rinnengan technique. The Genjutsu thing would imply that Sasuke can use a genjutsu on a similar or slightly below the scale of IT.
5. Yes the Juubi's eye has always been a 3rd eye in all of its human host, but Kaguya's only known use for the eye is IT. Seeing how her only other doujutsu was the byakugan I doubt she passed down a power greater than what she had herself.

6. As stated by Obito having the Juubi multiplies your ocular prowess, but the power necessary for Sasuke to utilize his Rinnengan was already given to him by Hagoromo. Someone who was born with a portion of the Juubi's chakra

 

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Wrong, Naruto only a small amount of his power, Son Goku's and the 1 tails's chakra abilities, he still didn't use the abilities the other Bijuus's have and the Rasen-tbb can be said to be either bijuu's power since he has 9 of them and each have the power to change the land scape. Naruto should get wings

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, Rat hair ball jutsu and these claws

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, and this one

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. Plus the 8 tail's ink and whatever this guy power was (the one with the hat)

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The thing is, Madara got Hashirama's DNA when Hashirama was alive and still Ashura's reincarnate while Kabuto got Hashirama's DNA from digging up Hashirama's body with Orochimaru (died=Naruto as new Ashura) to use as an Edo tensei. Sasuke doesn't have Zetsu in his body, Juugo took them all out to use for the Edo Hokages, Suigetsu killed one and the one Juugo had was used for Orochimaru's body. So Sasuke couldn't have gotten the Rinnegan from Hashirama's cell.

Madara awakened his rinnegan long after hashi's death.According to ur logic,Shouldnt hashi's cells become dormant.Well it didnt become dormant and it was effective enough to let madara awaken his rinnegan.
Kabuto was pumping hashi's cell into sasuke's body.So he got lot more hashi's cells inside him to awake the rinnegan

 

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The cells were dormant until near Madara's death though. The shift in Madara's chakra only occurred near his death when Hashirama was long dead. If your soul departs when u die then Ashura's chakra chakra should have long gone by the time Madara awakened the Rinnengan.

Also about all the bijuu appendages....... I doubt he will get them.

BDRS is Kurama's jutsu because he was the one Naruto was shown borrowing chakra from

The thing is the chakra of Ashura was inside Hashirama, when he died, it passed on to the next in line, the cells Madara had wasn't attached to Hashirama's body when he died so the chakra in them were still alive since they were in Madara. The Sage even said Madara did it before the transmigration was over

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You're right about it being Kurama

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but any Bijuu can use a Tbb, I guess it's only because Kurama is the main chakra source and doesn't have any special element abilities like the other Bijuus (Kurama did use fire in the anime)

for someone enlightened who can't even spell enlightened :yeah:

Chakra isn't physical. Naruto said that he took a piece of Kakashi in order to recreate Kakashi's eye.

piece of Kakashi (physical)=/=COAT

Chakra can be physical, how do you think the rasengan, which is all chakra and chakra control, hurts people physically? All Bijuus are physical when they're all living mass of Chakra. Naruto could have taken some of Kakashi's chakra and made him a new eye since chakra can be physical (people were grabbing and pulling on Minato's Chakra arms which are chakra. The Sage took the Juubi's chakra and created the 9 Bijuus remember? The Juubi's body was sealed in the moon.

When did sasuke used PS before?
PS is an EMS technique.It got nothing to do with SO6P

When PS combined with BSM, Complete Susanoo is about the same size as BSM so it can't completely cover it, Sasuke even said if it felt like what Madara did in the past and Madara used PS+Kurama

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and Hashirama even took noticed. I see no wings on this

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so it was improved after Sasuke's powerup with his new eye so the current one is going under Sasuke's new eye power as well (It does takes 2 eyes to use it and 1 of Sasuke's eyes is EMS but the Rinnegan should have it's influence as well).

 

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The thing is the chakra of Ashura was inside Hashirama, when he died, it passed on to the next in line, the cells Madara had wasn't attached to Hashirama's body when he died so the chakra in them were still alive since they were in Madara. The Sage even said Madara did it before the transmigration was over

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You're right about it being Kurama

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but any Bijuu can use a Tbb, I guess it's only because Kurama is the main chakra source and doesn't have any special element abilities like the other Bijuus (Kurama did use fire in the anime)



Chakra can be physical, how do you think the rasengan, which is all chakra and chakra control, hurts people physically? All Bijuus are physical when they're all living mass of Chakra. Naruto could have taken some of Kakashi's chakra and made him a new eye since chakra can be physical (people were grabbing and pulling on Minato's Chakra arms which are chakra. The Sage took the Juubi's chakra and created the 9 Bijuus remember? The Juubi's body was sealed in the moon.



When PS combined with BSM, Complete Susanoo is about the same size as BSM so it can't completely cover it, Sasuke even said if it felt like what Madara did in the past and Madara used PS+Kurama

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and Hashirama even took noticed. I see no wings on this

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so it was improved after Sasuke's powerup with his new eye so the current one is going under Sasuke's new eye power as well (It does takes 2 eyes to use it and 1 of Sasuke's eyes is EMS but the Rinnegan should have it's influence as well).

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It would take to long to discuss again. Also I am pretty sure that Hagoromo was talking about before Madara's transmigration was over. Not Hashirama's the only way I can see it plausible for the transmigration to be going on for so long would be if Indra and Ashura went in to the world and out as a set. Souls leave the body when they die (period)

By physical I mean matter. Chakra is energy.

 

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The thing is the chakra of Ashura was inside Hashirama, when he died, it passed on to the next in line, the cells Madara had wasn't attached to Hashirama's body when he died so the chakra in them were still alive since they were in Madara. The Sage even said Madara did it before the transmigration was over

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You're right about it being Kurama

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but any Bijuu can use a Tbb, I guess it's only because Kurama is the main chakra source and doesn't have any special element abilities like the other Bijuus (Kurama did use fire in the anime)



Chakra can be physical, how do you think the rasengan, which is all chakra and chakra control, hurts people physically? All Bijuus are physical when they're all living mass of Chakra. Naruto could have taken some of Kakashi's chakra and made him a new eye since chakra can be physical (people were grabbing and pulling on Minato's Chakra arms which are chakra. The Sage took the Juubi's chakra and created the 9 Bijuus remember? The Juubi's body was sealed in the moon.



When PS combined with BSM, Complete Susanoo is about the same size as BSM so it can't completely cover it, Sasuke even said if it felt like what Madara did in the past and Madara used PS+Kurama

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and Hashirama even took noticed. I see no wings on this

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so it was improved after Sasuke's powerup with his new eye so the current one is going under Sasuke's new eye power as well (It does takes 2 eyes to use it and 1 of Sasuke's eyes is EMS but the Rinnegan should have it's influence as well).

Good point.But how do u explain Madara's PS with WIngs?

 

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1. Thats like saying you have to use a technique to see with your sharingan -_-
2. Okay
3. My point was that Kurama was the strongest bijuu therefore BDRS is the most destructive technique Naruto will have
4. Yes, Sasuke's current Susanoo originates from his rinnengan, but PS is an EMS jutsu therefore I wouldn't put it as a rinnengan technique. The Genjutsu thing would imply that Sasuke can use a genjutsu on a similar or slightly below the scale of IT.
5. Yes the Juubi's eye has always been a 3rd eye in all of its human host, but Kaguya's only known use for the eye is IT. Seeing how her only other doujutsu was the byakugan I doubt she passed down a power greater than what she had herself.

6. As stated by Obito having the Juubi multiplies your ocular prowess, but the power necessary for Sasuke to utilize his Rinnengan was already given to him by Hagoromo. Someone who was born with a portion of the Juubi's chakra

You are right about it being Kurama's but that doesn't mean it would be stronger, it depends on how much chakra Naruto put in the jutsu and a regular FRS requires a large amount of chakra and lava is a KKG of fire and earth which is on another level of FRS. Any jutsu Naruto use is on S rank or higher pretty much, I would say the same for Sasuke but he only shown 2 and those 2 are S rank and higher.

The thing is the PS is new and improved, thus it was recreated into a new PS than the one before. You wouldn't consider tbb the same as a rasengan would you? They're based of the same process but are different or FRS and a rasengan; FRS takes the rasengan to another level and is considered a different jutsus. Plus the Rinnegan is said to create all jutsus

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so every jutsus is really the Rinnegan's either way.

The Sage said she had the Sharingan's power as well and the Rinnegan is said to use all jutsus

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. The Sage said Madara wants to get close to his mother's power, that means everything Madara shown still wasn't at Kaguya's level, she had all 3 eyes

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The Sage was born while his mom only had power from the fruit, he fought the Juubi with his brother years later and sealed it

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. Naruto was born from a the 9 tails Jinchuuriki but didn't really possess any special power, he had his huge stamina which went with being Uzumaki/Senju.

Madara awakened his rinnegan long after hashi's death.According to ur logic,Shouldnt hashi's cells become dormant. Well it didnt become dormant and it was effective enough to let madara awaken his rinnegan.
Kabuto was pumping hashi's cell into sasuke's body.So he got lot more hashi's cells inside him to awake the rinnegan

Nope, The Sage said Madara took the cells before the Transmigration was over, Kabuto gave Sasuke the cells long after it was over

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It would take to long to discuss again. Also I am pretty sure that Hagoromo was talking about before Madara's transmigration was over. Not Hashirama's the only way I can see it plausible for the transmigration to be going on for so long would be if Indra and Ashura went in to the world and out as a set. Souls leave the body when they die (period)

By physical I mean matter. Chakra is energy.

If it was before Madara's Transmigration was over then it wouldn't need to show young Madara when he put Hashirama's DNA in himself, that's shown when the Sage talked about it not being over

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. The cells Madara took were still alive, they were inside of him so when Hashirama died, Ashura left him but the cells Madara had didn't die so they still had some of Ashura in them so the process started when Hashirama was still alive but no one knows how long perfectly combining both Senju and Uchiha takes.

Only Madara awakened the Rinnegan himself. Sasuke needed to get the Sage's power which is what Senju+Uchiha is suppose to make but instead of waiting until the power to be changed like Madara, he got it for the Sage straight up and it was even stronger since his eye is higher than a basic rinnegan.

For Obito, Madara said he might never get the Rinnegan and he didn't because he didn't have Indra's chakra. White Zetsu should have ashura's chakra in him since Madara grew him with the DNA he took when Hashirama was alive and Ashura's reincarnaged so those cells never died.

Good point. But how do u explain Madara's PS with WIngs?

Madara's PS doesn't have wings, just 4 arms

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If that was true then Hashi's cells would have lost Ashura's chakra and according to the whole Ashura+Indra thing Madara wouldn't have awakened the Rinnengan

Madara already had Ashura chakra when Hash was alive so the sage chkra started seeping out for years then the rinnegan came out

 

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Madara already had Ashura chakra when Hash was alive so the sage chkra started seeping out for years then the rinnegan came out

Y danzo and yamato were able to use wood style?Answer: they got hashi's cell.If hashi's cell became dormant,then they shouldnt be able to use it.

 

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I think they will both go all out at the same time, and like always; naruto's fans will try to make it seem like naruto surpasses sasuke. Even though its clear they're equals

I think you got that backwards

 

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Madara already had Ashura chakra when Hash was alive so the sage chkra started seeping out for years then the rinnegan came out

I think it's more of the process takes many years to form from both into the Sages chakra. Madara was the first and only one to awaken his own Rinnegan

 

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agreed. he has a lot more to show, naruto also

 

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When the transmirgartion was over, Hashi cell has no more Ashura´s chakra.
I do not think Sasuke and Naruto have a chance to beat Kaguya without a new powerup. Do not forget Kaguya was even stronger than Rikudo as Jubi jin.

 

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