Wait a minute.... this isn't the IT Madara described to Obito....

[Floydical]

After debating in another thread, I realized that the genjutsu Madara cast is nothing like the Genjutsu he described to Obito. A single page explains Madara's plan for IT quite simply:

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To clarify, Madara was planning to create his own IT world and fill it with only things he wanted. This world would be a world where everyone is a winner and no one is a loser. Essentially, each and every person he dragged into the world would be cognizant and would be subject to whatever Madara wanted in his world. They would be sharing Madara's consciousness, if you will.

I just realized however.... that this is completely different than what is going on right now. Madara cast the genjutsu, but each and every person is now asleep in their own personal dream. Each person's dream is unique to themselves rather than being part of one giant dream Madara created. Madara clearly never went ahead and created his own world of winners, rather he simply put everyone else to sleep and planned to essentially rule them from the outside. At least that what it seems to me.

So what gives? Did Kishi change how the IT was created? Or was Madara's explanation he gave to Obito a big lie to hide his true plan of world domination? Clearly what he is doing now is not as noble as his original plan (at least noble in one sense). I'm curious as to other people's thoughts and if you have any other ideas regarding this topic.

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

Madras used this technique called lying no jutsu....it was super effective

 

[Young Vongola]

I don't think he was done doing what he had to do. I think he wanted to get rid of Naruto Sasuke and the others before he did that. I could be wrong.

 

[conradoserpa]

He did what he wanted, lol.

If he start to think things are way too boring, he can just change it to the Matrix

 

[Floydical]

Madras used this technique called lying no jutsu....it was super effective

But why would he lie about it? In the version of IT we see now, there are also only winners. Obviously in a person's dream they are going to be the head honcho... so it still accomplishes the same objective. Obito already fell and decided to follow Madara, would it have really changed his mind if he knew the real genjutsu was slightly different? The only explanation I can think of is it was a way to convince Obito he could bring Rin back.... but that would only help direct Obito in the direction of betraying him..... its quite confusing to me.

 

[TRE MERCER]

After debating in another thread, I realized that the genjutsu Madara cast is nothing like the Genjutsu he described to Obito. A single page explains Madara's plan for IT quite simply:

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

To clarify, Madara was planning to create his own IT world and fill it with only things he wanted. This world would be a world where everyone is a winner and no one is a loser. Essentially, each and every person he dragged into the world would be cognizant and would be subject to whatever Madara wanted in his world. They would be sharing Madara's consciousness, if you will.

I just realized however.... that this is completely different than what is going on right now. Madara cast the genjutsu, but each and every person is now asleep in their own personal dream. Each person's dream is unique to themselves rather than being part of one giant dream Madara created. Madara clearly never went ahead and created his own world of winners, rather he simply put everyone else to sleep and planned to essentially rule them from the outside. At least that what it seems to me.

So what gives? Did Kishi change how the IT was created? Or was Madara's explanation he gave to Obito a big lie to hide his true plan of world domination? Clearly what he is doing now is not as noble as his original plan (at least noble in one sense). I'm curious as to other people's thoughts and if you have any other ideas regarding this topic.

I think it's being used perfectly fine.

 

[xyungmili]

I was thinking the same thing...
Maybe he meant in his own dream or something idk

 

[ShinjuMadara]

Maybe it's because people's ideas might conflict with each other, so by splitting everyone up, it's better

 

[Zol]

I don't see the great difference. The only thing is that it isn't "one"huge dream, but many individual dreams. However, these dreams could still be small parts of one huge dream, so...

 

[Ultimateone]

well, most likely he wasn't finished with what he wanted to do with the IT. he probably wanted to kill naruto and sasuke before he finished. or it could be that he never planned to go into the dream world and just wanted the fruit for himself. although, i don't know what purpose having that much power without anybody else outside the dream world. unless he planned to go to another planet.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Maybe he didn't understand Infinite Tsukiyomi either.

 

[ROHAN]

It's because Infinite Tsukuyomi is in the initial stages. All the dreams have yet to become one. Only then will everyone become one with the caster. Madara would have done it had Black Zetsu not betrayed him. Now, Kaguya will take over and use the Chakra for her own purposes, i.e; ripening the Fruit.

 

[Champ]

No. It starts off good, then Madara would've tooken over and recast I.T on the moon and change it to where he is the Leader, but Sasuke and Naruto didn't let him get that far then Kayuga came.

 

[Angelic.]

who created this question thread first? minamoto has one too.... it might not make a difference, i dont see how everyone can have their own dreams in madras genjutsu if they might conflict. seperate is better

 

[ssjelf]

who created this question thread first? minamoto has one too.... it might not make a difference, i dont see how everyone can have their own dreams in madras genjutsu if they might conflict. seperate is better

Floydical, about 4 hours earlier.

 

[Alfred Pennyworth]

I too have had a similar question a few days ago :

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according to that translated scan (by mangapanda) where madara explains IT to Obito , apparently madara were to create a unified 'dream world' exactly as he wantsl , and his plan was to 'drag people into that world' too . so I thought it was the case that everyone would be subject to his preferences , which is not how it's portrayed in 678

however , how would that 'make everyone a winner'? it's obvious that not everyone could be completely satisfied if IT is really depicted as what madara described to obito as there would be a conflict in 'dreams'

e.g. let's say both naruto and lee wants to possess sakura by themselves individually . naruto wins if he can possess sakura and loses otherwise , vice versa for lee .
how could madara possibly satisfy the said demands without creating losers and winners ?

So , I would say the 'concept of IT' changed back when madara/obito said he would create a world where everyone is a winner.

Of course , it could also be interpreted that IT is just as its initial stage (as proposed by dragonor) . it would ultimately end up just in the way it's first introduced . when that occurs , everyone's own dreams would vanish and they would be trapped in a 'dream world' created and manipulated by madara alone . (but that would just induce a contradiction with the '0 loser' concept)

so , in the end , I believe madara most likely lied to obito

 

[cmoG]

Why is it so hard for you guys to understand that the IT IS what Madara wanted. Remember, in the latest chapter, he called himself a saviour. This is his means to create a...New Order if you will. Everyone in happiness, although it's all lies. Which is exactly what Naruto told Madara & is honestly the only reason why IT must be stopped, even though it may not be that bad actually. I think most of you are reading too much into this.

 

[Byron123]

He said that he would drag them in the IT but he never said that he would in his own one. You should see it as mnay different variations of it, every one of them fits a different person. Indeed everyone became winners but each in their own world. It would simply be impossible to make everyone happy in one dream. Different people seek different things and that being said one's dream can be another's nightmare.

 

[-ahhimane-]

Obito fell over an old man's LIES

 

[minamoto]

Floydical, about 4 hours earlier.

i didnt steal it from him i swear to god that my thread were my pure thoughts