Your thought on Kabuto and Orochimaru.

Kabuto or Orochimaru?

  • Orochimaru

    Votes: 3 23.1%
  • Kabuto

    Votes: 5 38.5%
  • They're both epic.

    Votes: 5 38.5%

  • Total voters
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Pecnut

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A lot of people still debate that Kabuto doesn't match up to anywhere near Orochimaru's level. Where many others say that Kabuto surpassed him, mastered Senjutsu, achieved Sage Mode etc. So what do you personally think on this matter and why?

Factors to consider

1.)
A lot of people argue that Kabuto just stole Orochimaru's power, plain black and white... But this isn't the whole picture, yes Kabuto did take Orochimaru's DNA but he trained hard to learn his abilities and master Sage Mode, combined with his and Orochimaru's research of the sound 4. What's the point in having a compass when you don't even know how to use it? You can't just wake up one morning, click your fingers and boom you're a sage. You've got to have the mental capacity, the stamina, the intelligence, the patience and the power to become a sage. So this argument is invalid and people who use it have no idea what they're talking about

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Orochimaru did conduct a lot of his research along with Kabuto which is where Kabuto learned the secrets of Edo Tensei from (and later perfecting) so it is fair to say that a lot of what Kabuto knows is thanks to Orochimaru. The sound four/taka owe their power to Orochimaru and Kabuto.

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Orochimaru was the one who gave Kabuto the chance to leave Root and join him in conducting research and following plans. So again people could argue that Kabuto wouldn't be where he is now without Orochimaru.

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Over the years Kabuto prepared special medicine for Orochimaru which allowed him to maintain much of his stamina and strength. This allowed Orochimaru to remain as the ultimate powerful bad guy in Naruto part 1 and kept him very much alive when he started to worsen.

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Kabuto became the mastermind behind the fourth great Shinobi World War. He controlled hundreds of Edos, brought back many powerful Ninja especially Madara. Made the Zetsu's 100 times stronger and managed to succeed Orochimaru in terms of power. Orochimaru now seemed like a shadow to what Kabuto had become.

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Orochimaru does owe a lot of what he found out about the Akatsuki, Konoha, Naruto and quite alot of stuff due to the sneakiness of Kabuto who gathered loads of info on everyone and no one even suspected him until later. The ultimate spy.

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Orochimaru... The ultimate Naruto villain as many will agree on, the true villain of Naruto that everyone thought was awesome back in the day. Former member of the Akatsuki, one of the legendary sannins, brought out Sasuke's true evil and power. Beat down old man Hiruzen and even when you thought he was gone... He came back again, that's how you know he's the shit. What a boss.

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Kabuto... Tell me, when you saw this nerdy little weakling in part 1 did you ever in your wildest dreams expect him to become one of the top 10 (or even top 5) most powerful alive Ninjas in the entire series? Cus I certainly didn't. Look at what's done, he saves Sasuke's sorry ass and allowed him to achieve the rinnegan! Sasuke fans better love him for that. Brought back Madara in the first place, Madara fans better love him for that. You just can't deny Kabuto's impact and power.

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Well those are all my points, so now it's time for you guys to decide.
 
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HENI

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i like them both
 

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I think kabuto surpassed him only because the of sage mode, not even oro accomplished that feat.
 

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Still a weird creep :/
 

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I can say for sure no one expected him to come like a boss and threaten Obito with his Edos. I made a thread some hours ago about Orochimaru similarities to the typical Senju . You can look it up if you want :hint:
 

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Nice thread.

I believe that Kabuto is stronger than Orochimaru, but with Orochimaru currently possessing a Zetsu body, he might be slightly stronger than we think he is.

I still want Orochimaru to be the final villain, since he was the first true villain, and suddenly turning into a good guy doesn't seem like a logical answer.
I can only hope that he will escape IT and have some kind of mastermind plan.

Kabuto>Orochimaru currently, and it will most likely remain that way.

Kabuto is still a thief, even though he is stronger, the fact that he has the sound 4, Taka and Orochimaru's DNA does kind of make him overpowered.

Give Taka's DNA and SM to Orochimaru, and I believe he could beat him.
 

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Orochimaru is OG and Kabuto is reaching feats Orochimaru was never able to. They're both amazing in my opinion.
 

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"You can say by body is exactly like Orochimaru-sama's"

He stole Orochinaru's DNA and Chakra, if it wans't for Orochimaru, he would have no Senjutsu chakra to attain SM in the first place.
 

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Kabuto now sh*ts on oro [edo tensei aside].
 

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"You can say by body is exactly like Orochimaru-sama's"

He stole Orochinaru's DNA and Chakra, if it wans't for Orochimaru, he would have no Senjutsu chakra to attain SM in the first place.
Wrong.

Orochimaru's DNA and Chakra didn't help him attain Sage Mode, as we know, Kabuto collects his own nature energy, and doesn't use Orochimaru's artificial senjutsu created from Juugo.

Orochimaru's body was too weak for collecting nature energy and using sage mode anyway.
But he has a Zetsu body now so he should be capable.
 

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Kabuto is currently stronger. I thought for sure Orochimaru would have had something planned to counter the IT, but that's obviously not the case. I guess there's only so much a guy can accomplish while hiding out in curse marks.
 

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Kabuto>>>>>>> Orochimaru in both strength and as a villain. Kabuto really wreaked havoc in the war with his edo tenseis. He achieved sage mode. He did great against 2 mangekyou users. He even properly threatened Obito and revived Madara which wreaked even more havoc. Kabuto really got stuff done.
 

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Wrong.

Orochimaru's DNA and Chakra didn't help him attain Sage Mode, as we know, Kabuto collects his own nature energy, and doesn't use Orochimaru's artificial senjutsu created from Juugo.

Orochimaru's body was too weak for collecting nature energy and using sage mode anyway.
But he has a Zetsu body now so he should be capable.

Orochimaru produces Senjutsu chakra, by abosborbing him, Kabuto attained that, plus he was constantly absorbing energy from Anko, who in turn has Orochimaru's Senjutsu chakra aswell. Orochimaru can produces Senjutsu, his body just can't handle SM. I'm not really wrong here.
 

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Kabuto>>>>>>> Orochimaru in both strength and as a villain. Kabuto really wreaked havoc in the war with his edo tenseis. He achieved sage mode. He did great against 2 mangekyou users. He even properly threatened Obito and revived Madara which wreaked even more havoc. Kabuto really got stuff done.

He did great against 2 mangekyou users who WASN'T trying to kill him
 

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DSM Kabuto > Orochimaru in strength
Current Orochimaru > Current Kabuto (assuming Orochimaru has SM)
Kabuto > Orochimaru as a character
Orochimaru >>> Kabuto aaa a villain
 

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He did great against 2 mangekyou users who WASN'T trying to kill him

Kabuto wasn't trying to kill either, he was trying to get Itachi back under his control. Plus he was fighting with his eyes closed
 
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