SM Jiraiya and Byakugou Tsunade vs Kakuzu and Sasori

[Beans2]

Again, having a larger Katon only means greater quantity. Futon being added to the somewhat smaller Katon still means there's greater directional force behind it, still being capable of pushing it back. Anyways, Boss summons are restricted, Fukasaku has no feats of such a massive oil jutsu and regular Katon (no oil) isn't spreading on that scale without mass oil quantities whether Tsunade helps or not.

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[Apêx1]

First off, Sasori doesn't start with the Third Kazekage out and Kakuzu doesn't start with his elemental dolls out. And Jiraiya (who starts in SM) can definitely take out Sasori in Hiruko or Base Kakuzu before that happens, so from that point on it's a 1v1.

Jiraiya is a sensor. Sensing barrier detects any sneak attacks from the Lightning doll, or any other doll/puppet for that matter. Or Sage Mode sensing from Ma and Pa works as well. You forget that SM Jiraiya actually consists of three opponents (Jiraiya, Ma, and Pa.) Jiraiya deals with the iron sand by blasting it away with

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, and Fukusaku negates Kakuzu's raiton with his wind element:

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About the fire, I just noticed that boss summons are restricted. Nevertheless, it doesn't matter since Fukusaku can take care of either the wind or fire mask before they merge. He can either cut them apart or reel them in with his tongue (or if Jiraiya's not busy with Sasori, Jiraiya can kill either one of the masks with a katon, raging lion's mane, etc.)

Pretty sure this isn't IC, and the pics further support my belief that these are the forms they start in. Anyways, SM Jiraiya has no exceptional speed feats nor is he going for full frontal attacks (hiruko or not) before planning something with Tsunade. If he goes alone for an attack he either gets tendrils in his ass or dies of smoke with Shima and Fukasaku.

Jiraiya, whilst in his barrier, cannot attack from what I recall. More so, he cannot cast jutsu or do much while in this, so him being able to use this proficiently in this fight is ludicrous. More so, this is only actually beneficial when going into SM, anything else and there's really no need for it. And lol at your second argument. I still fail to see why you believe the rasengan will cover every potential angle the IS can go, It will cover him in one area, which is left, right, or on top. He's still vulnerable to many sides, including behind him. I don't see this 'plan' being any better than Naruto using sexy jutsu to stop it. True, Pa can stop one gian, but what happens when Kakuzu decides to shoot one at Jiraiya's legs and one at his head? He dies.

Masks are being underrated? Masks have shown the ability to nigh-fly. Either their air resistance is extremely high or they can actually fly. Realising this, you should know any attempt of killing it would be futile. If Jiraiya aims at the one on top, Kakuzu or Sasori easily take advantage of this and end him given how unaware he would be at that point in time.
Anyways, your argument of Jiriaya ending before they get into their forms (assuming they aren't) is moot, since he cannot. Poison from Hiruko would end, tendrils would end. They get into their preferred forms and win the fight by overwhelming the Sannin duo.

Edit: Please don't compare that Futon with Kakuzu's massive Futon lmao.

 

[RicardoA]

Scenario 1: Leaf wins. SM Jiraiya + Tsunade's chakra = gg.

Scenario 2: Akatsuki probably wins. Don't see J-man making it to SM w/o a boss summon there. Doubt he can handle himself very well in base because of Kakuzu AoE constant blasts and Tsunade can't do everything on her own.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Team leaf wins high diff only high diff due to sasori poisen

 

[eagle8]

jiraiya > kakuzu
tsunda beats sasori high diff.

 

[Beans2]

Pretty sure this isn't IC, and the pics further support my belief that these are the forms they start in. Anyways, SM Jiraiya has no exceptional speed feats nor is he going for full frontal attacks (hiruko or not) before planning something with Tsunade. If he goes alone for an attack he either gets tendrils in his ass or dies of smoke with Shima and Fukasaku.

Jiraiya, whilst in his barrier, cannot attack from what I recall. More so, he cannot cast jutsu or do much while in this, so him being able to use this proficiently in this fight is ludicrous. More so, this is only actually beneficial when going into SM, anything else and there's really no need for it. And lol at your second argument. I still fail to see why you believe the rasengan will cover every potential angle the IS can go, It will cover him in one area, which is left, right, or on top. He's still vulnerable to many sides, including behind him. I don't see this 'plan' being any better than Naruto using sexy jutsu to stop it. True, Pa can stop one gian, but what happens when Kakuzu decides to shoot one at Jiraiya's legs and one at his head? He dies.

Masks are being underrated? Masks have shown the ability to nigh-fly. Either their air resistance is extremely high or they can actually fly. Realising this, you should know any attempt of killing it would be futile. If Jiraiya aims at the one on top, Kakuzu or Sasori easily take advantage of this and end him given how unaware he would be at that point in time.
Anyways, your argument of Jiriaya ending before they get into their forms (assuming they aren't) is moot, since he cannot. Poison from Hiruko would end, tendrils would end. They get into their preferred forms and win the fight by overwhelming the Sannin duo.

Edit: Please don't compare that Futon with Kakuzu's massive Futon lmao.

-Being in character has nothing to do with the fact that unless specifically stated otherwise, characters by default start in their base forms. There's nothing in that picture which even suggests Kakuzu has his masks out already (not that it matters since pictures can't be used as evidence.)

-Jiraiya and Tsunade have been teammates since childhood. They have excellent teamwork (as displayed against Orochimaru) and if needed can use Katsuyu as a medium for communication. They don't need to plan ahead. Starting distance is 20 meters, at which any of these things can happen before Sasori gets out of Hiruko/Kakuzu gets his masks out:

• Fukusaku grapples either opponent with his tongue and reels him in, at which point he is greeted by a point blank rasengan from Jiraiya
• Fukusaku cuts him in half with his tongue
• Jiraiya uses Raging Lion's Mane to restrain or crush either opponent
• Jiraiya sinks Kakuzu in Yomi Numa
• Jiraiya digests them with Toad Mouth Bind

Also, it's not true that Jiraiya's slow. He has a 4.5 in speed, so he could just blitz Kakuzu with a rasengan.

-What you recall is wrong. Jiraiya can attack and use jutsu perfectly normally while in his barrier. Don't know why you think it's only useful for going into SM.
-Do you understand the size of that rasengan? It's as big as a car. Your point about it only covering one direction is null, since Jiraiya can swing around the rasengan as he uses it. Moreover, he can make two of them with both hands, and swing them around to blast away any iron sand (no, rasengans don't explode on the first thing they touch). He can also just block the iron sand with Needle Jizo for secondary defense. Or he just dodges it like Sakura did.
-Double Gian? Pa uses his wind jutsu twice. Don't know where you're going with that. Or Jiraiya can sacrifice a summon and use it as a meat shield if nothing else works.
-Dear god...Being able to fly means nothing when Fukusaku grapples the mask and reels it in with his tongue. Long-distance katons work as well. Stop trying to make the argument about "one opponent distracts him while the other takes advantage of that." Jiraiya is a sage, that's not working.
-Poison from Hiruko ends? Please...poison cloud gets blown away by fuuton, needle barrage gets blocked with needle jizo.
-Kakuzu's massive fuuton? You mean the one Kakashi tanked no diff?

Edit: Notice how I'm not even factoring in Tsunade here because Jman takes care of this himself.

 

[Zexion~]

Awwww why'd the debates start without me >.>

IF Indra doesn't answer i'll be shitting on you cornBread U_U

 

[Beans2]

Awwww why'd the debates start without me >.>

IF Indra doesn't answer i'll be shitting on you cornBread U_U

I look forward to it. Lol

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

If Beans doesn't answer you Zex, I'll shit on your shit.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Sasori and Kakazu takes this extreme high diff. That giant fire style won't do much to Kakazu doton armor or Sasori could block it with iron sand. Sound genjutsu is damn nearly useless if it's not in a closed area. Not to mention Sasori cannot be caught in genjutsu anyways because he has no brain same for Kakuzu hearts.

Jiraiya can easily be poisoned same for Tsunade(probably wont do much because of healing ability). Iron sand drizzle would be the key to taking out Tsunade. Sasori would finish Tsunade off way before Jiraiya could finish Kakuzu so after he defeat's Tsunade Sasori helps Kakuzu ftw.

 

[Transcendence]

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everyone loses because of tsunade

 

[Zexion~]

-Being in character has nothing to do with the fact that unless specifically stated otherwise, characters by default start in their base forms. There's nothing in that picture which even suggests Kakuzu has his masks out already (not that it matters since pictures can't be used as evidence.)

I suppose I'm coming in a bit late and not sure what you were arguing this for, however please be aware that Kakuzu can still use jutsu most likely emanating from his back

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No reason to suggest he can't in base form U_U Besides removing the hearts is not a very long process.... Especiall when Sasori can place an IS Block in front.

[*]Fukusaku grapples either opponent with his tongue and reels him in, at which point he is greeted by a point blank rasengan from Jiraiya

Oh really? He's going to send his nice and vulnerable tongue at Sasori? Who uses poison so fluently, he could easily puncture the soft tongue and lead to Fukusaku's demise....Or you seem to think bringing him point blank range is going to help Jiraiya when in fact it seems to spell out his doom, as it would lead to point blank Flame Throwers

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A surprise attack from the trap located in his chest which would mean death for Jiraiya

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Or it may even turn into an attack method Sasori has been known to use

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As for Kakuzu he can easily use a domu hardened fist, to turn the attack around and pull Jiraiya towards them, similar to what Tsunade did against Oro. And if Sasori is in Hiruko, He can easily jump out :|

[*]Fukusaku cuts him in half with his tongue

You realize that Fukusaku only has one tongue? So while he's attacking one the other can easily prepare for the battle via Releasing Hearts or exiting Hiruko. Domu tanks the tongue btw, don't really recall how it cuts.

[*]Jiraiya uses Raging Lion's Mane to restrain or crush either opponent

Domu? And Sasori has puppets available to continue the attack if he were to be restrained, or his propellers may be able to slice through the hair and release him.

[*]Jiraiya sinks Kakuzu in Yomi Numa

I've countered this a million times so pardon me if it doesn't have much depth in my explanation >.< Kakuzu's Katon can harden the mud allowing him to break through with Domu Enhanced Body Parts U_U

[*]Jiraiya digests them with Toad Mouth Bind

This is sort of a tricky jutsu, because i'm not quite sure how its activated however being exposed to the soft innards of the frog can easily allow Sasori to poison it, ending the danger of the stomach.

Also, it's not true that Jiraiya's slow. He has a 4.5 in speed, so he could just blitz Kakuzu with a rasengan.

A blitz happening when someone is only .5 higher in speed is near impossible :| Not to mention Jiraiya's greatest speed came from propelling himself off of a structure

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Which isn't always available in the battle field. As for rasengan you really think its going to penetrate Domu? A measly rasengan? Nah... However even if it did please realize that Kakuzu's body structure is merely some threads and 5 hearts

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So an attack that only deals blunt force or damages other organs is near useless against him, The Rasengan would not damage the hearts therefore its a useless jutsu when confronted by Kakuzu U_U

-What you recall is wrong. Jiraiya can attack and use jutsu perfectly normally while in his barrier. Don't know why you think it's only useful for going into SM.

What is the barrier going to do? Kakuzu and Sasori aren't focusing on hiding their attacks they're sending an all out barage, which Jiraiya would have trouble avoiding barrier or not.

-Do you understand the size of that rasengan? It's as big as a car. Your point about it only covering one direction is null, since Jiraiya can swing around the rasengan as he uses it. Moreover, he can make two of them with both hands, and swing them around to blast away any iron sand (no, rasengans don't explode on the first thing they touch). He can also just block the iron sand with Needle Jizo for secondary defense. Or he just dodges it like Sakura did.

Blocking IS? With Needle Jizo? Nah my man, The Rasengan may cover defending from the larger variants of the IS However what about the smaller one? It can't cover all at once and swinging it around is futile as this jutsu is near instant

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And Sakura was never able to avoid these kinds of IS they were incredibly fast.

-Double Gian? Pa uses his wind jutsu twice. Don't know where you're going with that. Or Jiraiya can sacrifice a summon and use it as a meat shield if nothing else works.

? What The two gians are going to be in a parallel direction

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Pa can't be in two places at the same time? A meat shield? Hardly it would rip right through the frog and continue going

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-Dear god...Being able to fly means nothing when Fukusaku grapples the mask and reels it in with his tongue. Long-distance katons work as well. Stop trying to make the argument about "one opponent distracts him while the other takes advantage of that." Jiraiya is a sage, that's not working.

Lol? The masks are made of threads...Pa cant grapple on to something like that? You don't know much about the Akatsuki do you...

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Not even Chouji could get a hold of them

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-Poison from Hiruko ends? Please...poison cloud gets blown away by fuuton, needle barrage gets blocked with needle jizo.

Obviously He'll have to leave Hiruko for this :|

-Kakuzu's massive fuuton? You mean the one Kakashi tanked no diff?

Did you really just Say Kakashi tanked it? Oh God

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Since he was so close to the mask when the jutsu was expelled he was able to react with help from the Sharingan and revert to behind the mask, where the fuuton did not reach U_U Something kakuzu noticed and states

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Edit: Notice how I'm not even factoring in Tsunade here because Jman takes care of this himself.

Don't bother she's useless anyways​

 

[TheEvilOne]

Why are using Databook pages and hype when they are clearly restricted in this thread? Is this the only way you can prove Kakuzu's victory? with baseless speculations?

 

[paratise]

Tbh Kakuzu is a combination of 5 nameless chuunin.

He should not even be in VS threads.

 

[Zexion~]

Why are using Databook pages and hype when they are clearly restricted in this thread? Is this the only way you can prove Kakuzu's victory? with baseless speculations?

What kind of restriction is that :|

Well, FEAT wise his Gian is on par with Lightning Cutter, and yes Raikiri would rip through a boss summon U_U

Nah Caterpie he has the chakra networks of 5 nameless Kage However he mastered the jutsu's himself ^^

 

[Apêx1]

-Being in character has nothing to do with the fact that unless specifically stated otherwise, characters by default start in their base forms. There's nothing in that picture which even suggests Kakuzu has his masks out already (not that it matters since pictures can't be used as evidence.)

-Jiraiya and Tsunade have been teammates since childhood. They have excellent teamwork (as displayed against Orochimaru) and if needed can use Katsuyu as a medium for communication. They don't need to plan ahead. Starting distance is 20 meters, at which any of these things can happen before Sasori gets out of Hiruko/Kakuzu gets his masks out:

• Fukusaku grapples either opponent with his tongue and reels him in, at which point he is greeted by a point blank rasengan from Jiraiya
• Fukusaku cuts him in half with his tongue
• Jiraiya uses Raging Lion's Mane to restrain or crush either opponent
• Jiraiya sinks Kakuzu in Yomi Numa
• Jiraiya digests them with Toad Mouth Bind

Also, it's not true that Jiraiya's slow. He has a 4.5 in speed, so he could just blitz Kakuzu with a rasengan.

-What you recall is wrong. Jiraiya can attack and use jutsu perfectly normally while in his barrier. Don't know why you think it's only useful for going into SM.
-Do you understand the size of that rasengan? It's as big as a car. Your point about it only covering one direction is null, since Jiraiya can swing around the rasengan as he uses it. Moreover, he can make two of them with both hands, and swing them around to blast away any iron sand (no, rasengans don't explode on the first thing they touch). He can also just block the iron sand with Needle Jizo for secondary defense. Or he just dodges it like Sakura did.
-Double Gian? Pa uses his wind jutsu twice. Don't know where you're going with that. Or Jiraiya can sacrifice a summon and use it as a meat shield if nothing else works.
-Dear god...Being able to fly means nothing when Fukusaku grapples the mask and reels it in with his tongue. Long-distance katons work as well. Stop trying to make the argument about "one opponent distracts him while the other takes advantage of that." Jiraiya is a sage, that's not working.
-Poison from Hiruko ends? Please...poison cloud gets blown away by fuuton, needle barrage gets blocked with needle jizo.
-Kakuzu's massive fuuton? You mean the one Kakashi tanked no diff?

Edit: Notice how I'm not even factoring in Tsunade here because Jman takes care of this himself.

Whatever you say, breaking hiruko doesn't equate to Sasori dying eitherway, and his poison would be an ass to deal with..

-Implying his tongue is that strong when unhardened? Implying his tongue is that flexible in the first place?
-Lel, no. You're overrating it now, it has massive strength but I see no reason as to why kakuzu doesn't just save himself and Sasori by destroying it with Domu.
-Hiruko isn't vulnerable to lions mane, his armour would be strong enough to stop it (or his tail), in addition to his senbon being capable of making Jiraiya stop its usage to get to cover.. Kakuzu feels absolutely nothing from it, and uses his brute strength to rip it apart. Propeller like attack cuts through it like butter.
-Doubtable, when chakra is used beneath the feet once achieves the capability to stand on trees and water. I see no reason as to why Yomi Numa is different, his feet go 5cm beneath and he simply steps back out. Hiruko is helped via tendrils.
-Toad mouth bind requires locational advantage lmao. This clearly shows a lack of understanding of Jiraiya's arsenal given his toad mouth bind isn't possible in any given location/scenario.


He's blitzing Kakuzu now? Laughable. He has no speed feats and DB means nothing in terms of feats. Last I checked, Kakuzu outsped Kakashi whilst using his Raikiri by a long run, and Raikiri Kakashi was keeping up with 6th tailed v2 beasts in terms of speed. The same beasts who are two tails ahead of v4 Nardo that was on par in terms of speed to Orochimaru's snake form. Kakuzu's speed>>>Jiraiya's in regards to feats. DB isn't as accurate as you make it seem, Hebi Sasuke was a 4.5 and was consistently out speeding Deidara who's a 4.5 #Logic

-Proof of this? Gimme a scan m8, pretty sure he had to be fully concentrated whilst using this..
-What reason do I have to believe he can use Fuuton twice before Gian launches 2 simultaneous Gian's? Lml.. Either you believe he cannot launch two at once (shown) or you are simply going with fan-fic fukasaku.

-lol. His speed isn't comparable to IS while swinging his rasengan. That has to be one of the most ludicrous strategies I have heard of. His best bet is to use his hair as a shiled, and even then he gets pierced by Gian. He isn't swinging in 360 degrees before IS pierces him from over him, under him, on his back/front side (blind spots of his 'car sized' rasengan. There's no reason fro me to blieve he can make two of them, he has shown 2 midget like ones (as Nardo did), not two massive ones. This is blind faith imo. So hair is being compared to IS now? Ridiculousssss. How do you come to these conclusions? Iron>chakra empowered hair in terms of speed and strength. Sakura was still hit m8, and that was her being lucky due to plot. Percentage of being hit mathematically still favours me.
Lol? Summons are already killed off via ISWO, there's no meat shield for him. Double gian has been shown, Dual consecutive Fuutons have not been shown nor meet the required speed to achieve a counter attack.

-Again, I only recall it being extended whilst hardened, nothing implies it can be hardened whilst being in a flexible position. Nothing implies it has the strength to reel him in (restraining) without being counterattacked.

-Oh no, he's a sage. Makes no difference. He has no sensing abilities, being distracted=being vulnerable. No debate to this.

-Poison is stopped by Futon? Lel. Are you implying the extremely tiny Futon cloud we saw is blowing away an entire poison cloud? Not happening. Again, Needle Jizo has no feats of being comparable to IS in terms of speed, strength, and hardness. It gets blown away, or simply doesn't hit since it's going at random (unlikes i.e. Chidori senbon).

-Must be the most ludicrous thing in your post. Kakashi didn't tank it lmao, no need to even explain this.

Notice how this is mostly Hiruko and non-full powered Kakuzu. Hiruko and this Kakuzu I am using can effectively stalemate/win. Going into their strongest forms is a steamroll.

 

[TheEvilOne]

Apex, I can't believe you think Sage Mode Jiraiya with enchanted speed and reflexes isn't blitzing the guy who got blitzted by 3 of Naruto's clones.

 

[Zexion~]

Apex, I can't believe you think Sage Mode Jiraiya with enchanted speed and reflexes isn't blitzing the guy who got blitzted by 3 of Naruto's clones.

He wasn't blitzed?

He was trapped in mid-air :|

 

[TheEvilOne]

He wasn't blitzed?

He was trapped in mid-air :|

Same damn thing. The fact that he got outsmarted and outsped by him proves he isn't that fast nor is he as intelligent as you think.

 

[Zexion~]

Same damn thing. The fact that he got outsmarted and outsped by him proves he isn't that fast nor is he as intelligent as you think.

No :| He got ambushed :| And we all know damn well it was rushed U_U