Jiraiya vs. Itachi

[Apêx1]

Chapter 2 Naruto was capable of using clone jutsu and transformation jutsu simultaneously to achieve his Sexy jutsu. They did not transform after they were created, but at the same time. Jiraiya could easily replicate this feat.

Edit: Seems like i was wrong about naruto doing it in chapter 2. Naruto has been shown to do them simultaneously before, let me look up the scans.

Ight, I am eager to see this tbh.

 

[Aikor]

I made a thread about this once. Jiraiya wins this more often than not.

Actually itachi can also counter his attacks too..he can even counter sasukes speed..so well itachi comes out of behind and then directs him to his eyes and use Tsukuyomi.Plus before jiraiya uses the swamp technique he can use Yasaka Magatama.Attacking without seeing his eyes is easier said than done as noted by asuma,sakura and kurenai.So u cant xpect him not gona get caught in a genjutsu

 

[Haizaki]

How would Jiraiya be in a different league if Itachi already defeated someone in his league Twice(Title of Sannin) Orochimaru with ease come on now lol level up

So what if he owned Oro?...Lol Oro and Jiraiya are 2 different people. It doesn't work like that at all. Your post was wrong and Itachi and Kisame were obviously referring to Jiraiya

Ino and Lee are chuunins(the title of chuunin) but I think it's clear who stomps. Whoever wins between Itachi and Jman wins with high diff which should be obvious

 

[Haizaki]

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Jiraiya himself states, that Itachi is on a whole different level. And he further says, that the only thing that would stop Itachi from taking Naruto, would be the distance. Jiraiya himself implied his inferiority, as his statement would mean that not even he would be capable of stopping Itachi.

Apart from that, Itachi was also shown to fire Amaterasu instantly at an intended destination [

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]. Kishimoto just unduly prolongs certain situations for plots sake, cause when needed, Amaterasu is used instantly.

Even Obito, who saved Sasuke from being killed by the instantaneous Jinton, failed to react at Amaterasu despite of realizing the usage due to bleeding. To conclude, you can only dodge Amaterasu with lightning speed, as you would escape from the Sharingan's sight.

On a whole different level from Naruto

 

[Bogard]

^Selective reading of course Lol. Not to mention it's not what he says in the viz

Jiraiya: How did they get out?...And what are these black flames?

Jiraiya: Humph. If you go now, you'll just be killed...There's too much of a gap between you and them. I mean, it even took me a huge effort just now...To distance them from you.

Naruto: Are you saying that I have to keep running and hiding from them for the rest of my life?! Live each day shivering in fear?!!
Jiraiya: Shut your mouth.

This is exactly what Jiraya said. He says "they" are too strong for Naruto. Notice how he says "for Naruto". That shows even together, he thinks he can handle them if anything.

Jiraya never showed fear against Akatsuki people. If anything it's the contrary. He always thought he couldn't lose to them. The dude even went on his own in his assault against Akatsuki despite knowing nothing about them, despite being in a territorial disadvantage, despite knowing nothing about their leaders

 

[Haizaki]

^Selective reading of course Lol. Not to mention it's not what he says in the viz



This is exactly what Jiraya said. He says "they" are too strong for Naruto. Notice how he says "for Naruto". That shows even together, he thinks he can handle them if anything.

Jiraya never showed fear against Akatsuki people. If anything it's the contrary. He always thought he couldn't lose to them. The dude even went on his own in his assault against Akatsuki despite knowing nothing about them, despite being in a territorial disadvantage, despite knowing nothing about their leaders

People try to play down what Itachi and Pain said

 

[UchiGod Itachi]

Lol what?

He was obviously talking about Jiraiya....don't try to twist it...it's very obvious

Kisame says "He's in a different league" not "it's"

It was great finally finding him at the ramen shop, "But his Babysitter" why would they say babysitter part

So now Kisame reefers to the Jinchuriki as it's huh? So why he'd reefer to Killer Bee as his & he? lmao

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[Beans2]

Ight, I am eager to see this tbh.

Found the scans.

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[Phonas]

Hey Bogard, look:

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[End of Days]

Orochimaru is portrayed as the stronger of them in the Manga

based on what?

jiraiya failing to stop orochimaru?, its harder to capture someone alive that kill him, because you need suitable techniques and have to be careful to avoid using full power

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[Phonas]

based on what?

jiraiya failing to stop orochimaru?, its harder to capture someone alive that kill him, because you need suitable techniques and have to be careful to avoid using full power

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Based on these:

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[Aikor]

Orochimaru > Jiraiya+ Itachi> Orochimaru..orochimaru himselft stated tht.so its obvious who will win

 

[Strict]

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This. Orochimaru wasn't even handicapped back then. He wanted Itachi's body and badly failed, what shows the difference in strength. Orochimaru himself admitted inferiority to Itachi due to this confrontation. It's safe to say that a Sannin doesn't even come near the power of Itachi.

 

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Based on these:

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whats that pic supposed to prove? orochimaru>jiraiya?

jiraya had long left the leaf and hiruzen wasnt aware of his short return back

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i see that you have a lot of catching up to do with the manga

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[Phonas]

This. Orochimaru wasn't even handicapped back then. He wanted Itachi's body and badly failed, what shows the difference in strength. Orochimaru himself admitted inferiority to Itachi due to this confrontation. It's safe to say that a Sannin doesn't even come near the power of Itachi.

Plus, Orochimaru wasn't even trying to capture his body. According to the databook, they actually fought during that confrontation. In other words, there was no body ritual taking place, or else we would have seen that grotesque white snake emerging. It wasn't after Orochimaru experienced a "humiliating defeat" that he decided he wanted to possess Itachi's body. Mind you, this was a barely 13 year old Itachi (Konohamaru's age, I might add).

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[Phonas]

whats that pic supposed to prove? orochimaru>jiraiya?

jiraya had long left the leaf and hiruzen wasnt aware of his short return back

Then Hiruzen wouldn't have made that generalization, seeing as Jiraiya was still amicably affiliated with the Leaf. Anko would've brought up Jiraiya as well if he really were considered the superior of the Saninn. Minato was his student after all, so why not mention the sensei as well? Also, exactly prior to that page, there's a panel of Jiraiya frolicking with Naruto. Kishimoto would've brought his name up in the subsequent conversation if the author confidently believed The Pervy Sage to be stronger by portrayal. The entire purpose of that discussion was to establish the power-scale of Orochimaru.

i see that you have a lot of catching up to do with the manga

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As do you.

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By the way, that scan you replied to was further substantiation to show that Orochimaru was regarded as the superior of the Sannin.

 

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Then Hiruzen wouldn't have made that generalization,

Why shouldnt hiruzen make he genralization, there are dozens of ninjas in konoha

hiashi
inoichi
shikaku
danzo

etc, etc

Anko would've brought up Jiraiya as well if he really were considered the superior of the Saninn. Minato was his student after all, so why not mention the sensei as well? Also, exactly prior to that page

there's a panel of Jiraiya frolicking with Naruto. Kishimoto would've brought his name up in the subsequent conversation if the author confidently believed The Pervy Sage to be stronger by portrayal. The entire purpose of that discussion was to establish the power-scale of Orochimaru.

jiraiya is no longer living in leaf and nor do anko or hiruzen knew he had returned to konoha, so neither brought him up

i dont know why you have trouble understanding this, the fight is between konoha and orochimaru not sannin vs sannin

As do you.

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By the way, that scan you replied to was further substantiation to show that Orochimaru was regarded as the superior of the Sannin.

derp derp

that orochimaru still doesnt have his hands, and btw EMS sasuke is leagues above hebi sasuke without oro powers, try to keep track of the original argument

 

[Phonas]

Why shouldnt hiruzen make he genralization, there are dozens of ninjas in konoha

hiashi
inoichi
shikaku
danzo

etc, etc

And Jiraiya was part of that list, considering he was a living, breathing Konoha shinobi who once fought alongside and against Orochimaru, possessing the contemporary hyped titles, all of which was within Hiruzen's thought process while generalizing.

jiraiya is no longer living in leaf and nor do anko or hiruzen knew he had returned to konoha, so neither brought him up

i dont know why you have trouble understanding this, the fight is between konoha and orochimaru not sannin vs sannin

Jiraiya was still an established Konoha citizen. He can enter and exit the Leaf village as he pleases, whether it be years or months; Jiraiya still maintains that residential status. Meaning, he is part of that collective concept of "Leaf Shinobi." Both Anko and Hiruzen had that in mind. Hypothetically speaking, if Minato were still alive during the time period of that conversation, and publicly declares and decides to leave the village for quite some time, Hiruzen and Anko would still bring up his name up as a "Leaf Shinobi" that can defeat Orochimaru. Consequently, Anko and Hiruzen neglected Jiraiya's name because they never saw him as being competent enough to single handedly defeat Orochimaru.

derp derp

that orochimaru still doesnt have his hands, and btw EMS sasuke is leagues above hebi sasuke without oro powers, try to keep track of the original argument

Umm, fail. I never insinuated that Hebi Sasuke was stronger than Orochimaru. Once again, the scan I showcased of Sasuke's statement (If you look to the far right) was that people around the world thought Orochimaru was the best among the Sannin trio.

 

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And Jiraiya was part of that list, considering he was a living, breathing Konoha shinobi who once fought alongside and against Orochimaru, possessing the contemporary hyped titles, all of which was within Hiruzen's thought process while generalizing.

he isnt a konoha shinobi as he isnt sent to missions nor wears the konoha headband

he obviously isnt an enemy but neither is he is someone who can come to the village's aid at a moment's notice, in this case fighting orochimaru, while shinobis like hiashi, inoichi etc etc can come

and hiruzen and anko werent aware of jiraiya's presence in village

and mind showing me 'hiruzen's thought processes', unless you do, this point isnt going anywhere

Umm, fail. I never insinuated that Hebi Sasuke was stronger than Orochimaru.

you posted a scan without a word which i took to meant that all uchiha are somehow superior to sannin

Once again, the scan I showcased of Sasuke's statement (If you look to the far right) was that people around the world thought Orochimaru was the best among the Sannin trio.

lawl, orochimaru was simply famous as a genius among sannin (which he was as evident in their younger days), just like tsunade was a sucker at betting and jiraiya for his perverted behavior

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and btw jiraiya not being a genius at the start of his training as a shinobi somehow translates to being inferior to orochimaru?

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jiraiya is a shinobi that learns and hone his skills through experience and thats what made him a legend to the point that ninjas like itachi and kisame have to run with tails between their legs , being a genius isnt a requirement to win a battle

 

[Haizaki]

It was great finally finding him at the ramen shop, "But his Babysitter" why would they say babysitter part

So now Kisame reefers to the Jinchuriki as it's huh? So why he'd reefer to Killer Bee as his & he? lmao

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Not sure if serious. Are you still arguing this?

Itachi had to use a lady to distract Jiraiya...what are you talking about?...he knew he could easily take out Naruto or put him in a genjutsu before anything happens

Kisame refers to Bee using the more chakra
You said Itachi was talking about the Kyuubi not the jinchuuriki himself. Kisame says "he's using more chakra". That's Bee himself using the 8tails chakra....Itachi could have easily ended it with a genjutsu..not to mention the fact that he caught Naruto in a genjutsu several times in shippuden easily

Itachi said if we faced off, we might end up killing each other.Itachi is no match for the nine tails and they've captured other Jins as well. Kisame said this

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And he saying babysitter doesn't mean anything..They never said "Naruto" is in a different league..Not to mention the fact that Itachi said this

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...Kakashi even said that Jiraiya was the reason the Akatsuki avoided him in battle

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