Jiraiya vs. Itachi

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I'm not entirely sure what the bold is referring too but,

this is location right here...
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Anyways Itachi was able to produce this while literally on his deathbed. Jiraiya is toasted. Inside a complex or complicated building/structure, Jiraiya has much more favorable odds, but in the open with no immediate cover or means of escape, he hasn't much of a chance.

I totally misread their location. If that's the case, than susnaoo surely sinks and will little to nowhere to move in such a tight location.

Yes, I'm aware what's he's capable of. Against Sasuke they used relatively the same techniques and Sasuke didnt force him to overuse his techniques as Jman would. The use of toads would require amatersu usage, etc.
 

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The state of ones body does effect the chakra and usage of the substance. Just like how a drugged Jiraiya couldn't manage to pull forth his full strength, and an elder Hiruzen had issues with the Shadow Clone jutsu. Only using it at the end of the battle, when it was said it was apart of his usual repertoire.

Did you see kimmi's state when he fought Naruto, Lee and Gaara?..A sick Kimmi had 4.5 in stamina(according to Kishi in the DB)

A non-sick Itachi from what we know had a 2.5 in stamina and I believe this was due to his MS as implied by Kakashi

Being drugged is different..totally different in this case
 

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Itachi wins with low diff. Oh, Jiraiya stars in SM, Itachi takes with mid diff.
Jiraiya still has no counter to Amaterasu or Tsukuyomi.
 

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Itachi wins with low diff. Oh, Jiraiya stars in SM, Itachi takes with mid diff.
Jiraiya still has no counter to Amaterasu or Tsukuyomi.

If there was water he could use his barrier. Other than that, no.
 

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If a person knows Amaterasu is coming, all they have to do is break line of sight. Itachi's Amaterasu has build up time after all.
 

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Umm. Jiriaya would win. I cant bring up the proof b/c I still dont know how to post pics when replying, but when Naruto and Jiriaya were in Tanzuku Town to look for Tsunade as well as to train Naruto(To learn the Rasengun). Itachi and Kisame were given an order to obtain Naruto and bring him back to the Akastuki. Meanwhile when Itachi and Kisame were looking for Naruto they saw that Jiriaya was there and Itachi said that he win if they were to fight head on but he also said that theirs always a weakness in every justu(Said that to Naruto when he and Bee were fighting Nagato) And Itachi wasn't in good health either,(Shippuden) When "Madara" told Sasuke the truth about Itachi he had said that he lived a life through Medication in order to survive when Sasuke meet to fight him that way when He "lost" Sasuke would be the avenger/hero for the Hidden Leaf b/c he defeated the guy who whip out the Uchiha Clan. Their's more I can say but Im tired of writing.... <3 lol

Itachi wasn't talking about Jiriaya he was talking about naruto if they fought they would both die in battle if he had full control of kurama power.

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You think Hebi Sasuke really defeated Itachi lol
 

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Itachi wasn't talking about Jiriaya he was talking about naruto if they fought they would both die in battle if he had full control of kurama power.

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You think Hebi Sasuke really defeated Itachi lol

Lol what?

He was obviously talking about Jiraiya....don't try to twist it...it's very obvious

Kisame says "He's in a different league" not "it's"
 

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Really hilarious how you are using that statement to reach the conclusion that Jiraiya > Itachi. Then you'd have to accept that Jiraiya > Itachi, Kisame, and backup (i.e. other Akatsuki members). You have absolutely no credibility if you think Jiraiya is taking down Itachi, Kisame, and other potential Akatsuki members single handedly.

Meanwhile, you conveniently ignore that 13 year old Itachi embarrassed Orochimaru with the utmost of ease, to the point where Orochimaru lived the rest of his life bitterly coveting Itachi's power . . . which didn't even see a large amount of to begin with. This same Orochimaru was the genius of the Sannin and Jiraiya's equal. Furthermore, by Jiraiya's admission, his superior, as he admitted he could not bring him back.

Kisame spoke out of pure reputation. He never saw Jiraiya fight; he has only heard stories about him, probably vague and exaggerated. As Shikaku told us, legends from the past are . No reason for the guy who was later able to go toe-to-toe with the Hachibi to feel outclassed by the likes of Jiraiya.

As for Itachi, he had every reason to inflate Jiraiya's power. Itachi is a double agent, perhaps even Jiraiya's secret informant. He has no reason to engage one of his village's top shinobi in battle and potentially kill him. Thus, when Kisame inflated Jiraiya's power, Itachi went along with the story. It was a convenient way to avoid confrontation with Jiraiya.

To take that statement literally you'd have to do several things:

1. Ignore Itachi's intentions as a double agent
2. Ignore the fact that Kisame never saw Jiraiya fight
3. Ignore the fact that hype based on reputation is rarely accurate (i.e. Kisame)
4. Ignore Akatsuki member's strength (considering you believe Jiraiya can take multiple members alone)

I mean think about it; if strength was determined by reputation, where does that put Gai? Kakashi is renowned around the world for his Sharingan capabilities. Every single time he fought an opponent, he was immediately recognized, as were his signature abilities (Raikiri / Chidori), even if it were in the hands of Sasuke. Meanwhile, Gai is Kakashi's equal but . . . nobody ever heard of him, even if his power is comparable to Kakashi, and leaves Kakashi in the dust with 8th gate.

The guy wielded the power to pressure and nearly kill Juubi Madara. Gai is literally the strongest person in the world that hasn't been touched by the hand of the Naruto-verse's "god" . . . and yet despite his power, the man has no global reputation whatsoever. He has been taken as a joke by all those who fought him / alongside him, and only after he is seen fighting is he properly acknowledged. That goes to show just how inaccurate and hole-riddled that hype can be.

Think of it this way . . . paste Kisame talking about Gai in that sentence, before he fought him. What would he say? Some weak guy in a green jumpsuit? A fighter that isn't too big of a threat? Something along those lines? Would that make his statement accurate? Would Kisame have had any idea that he was talking about the strongest man in the world?
 
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itachi wins this high diff
 

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Itachi mid-high diff imo.
 

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I have read all arguments and I see no compelling arguments for Itachi yet. If Amaterasu is the only chance Itachi has at winning he certainly loses this. Intel is full, what happens Ma and Pa shoot their huge dust cloud to take away Itachis vision and they can still sense his location? Amaterasu will be sensed before it happens, it builds up and Ma+Pa will feel it and alert Jman. He can cover himself in Needle Jizo then shoot the flaming hair off of him. He has the dust cloud, as I already mentioned, or he simply breaks Itachis line of sight by shooting a fire ball at him + Ma and Pas water and wind styles. If those blasts are coming at Itachi he is no longer looking at Jman, but the blasts in-front of him. Genjutsu does not work on Jman since chakra is constantly entering his body via Ma+Pa. Jman counters basically Itachi's whole arsenal when you think about it.
 

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I have read all arguments and I see no compelling arguments for Itachi yet. If Amaterasu is the only chance Itachi has at winning he certainly loses this. Intel is full, what happens Ma and Pa shoot their huge dust cloud to take away Itachis vision and they can still sense his location? Amaterasu will be sensed before it happens, it builds up and Ma+Pa will feel it and alert Jman. He can cover himself in Needle Jizo then shoot the flaming hair off of him. He has the dust cloud, as I already mentioned, or he simply breaks Itachis line of sight by shooting a fire ball at him + Ma and Pas water and wind styles. If those blasts are coming at Itachi he is no longer looking at Jman, but the blasts in-front of him. Genjutsu does not work on Jman since chakra is constantly entering his body via Ma+Pa. Jman counters basically Itachi's whole arsenal when you think about it.
What? Jiraiya has no sensing feats whatsoever in the manga. He would have to be informed every second of the fight of the occurrences of the outside world. What happens when Itachi attempts genjutsu at Ma or Pa? What happens when Itachi uses an explosive clone followed by Amateratsu? You cannot possibly believe they will rid of the clone and create a smoke cloud, or not think about the clone, create the dust cloud, and not have the dust dispersed by the explosion? That's actually quite a good counter to Amateratsu you mentioned, however, I personally do not seeing it plausible if exploding Kage Bunshin is right before Amateratsu is prepped. They will be too busy alerting Naruto of the exploding clone to tell him of Itachi's Amateratsu as well. More so, what can Jiraiya do if Itachi fires Yasaka Magatama and then immediately after fires Amatertasu. Yasaka Magatama isn't being stopped by Jiraiya's hair, but can be dodged, yet if Jiraiya dodges he has no way of stopping Amareratsu from burning right through his hair, especially if the amount of chakra expended is increased, thus more Yakasa's are thrown.
 

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Jiraya mid difficulty. Itachi has no counters for yomi numa
 

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Lol what?

He was obviously talking about Jiraiya....don't try to twist it...it's very obvious

Kisame says "He's in a different league" not "it's"

How would Jiraiya be in a different league if Itachi already defeated someone in his league Twice(Title of Sannin) Orochimaru with ease come on now lol level up
 

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Chakra beneath the feet would stop the sinking.
1- Chakra from beneath from tree climbing, doesn't help to walk on water. There is no proof it would help against such a earth shape modification
2- He doesn't even know the technique
3- It takes effect in an instant, he won't even have time to react

How would Jiraiya be in a different league if Itachi already defeated someone in his league Twice(Title of Sannin) Orochimaru with ease come on now lol level up
1- He defeated handicaped Orochimaru only
2- There is no ABC rules in this manga. There are ninjas better suited to deal with people than others
3- Orochimaru isn't even in Jiraya's league
 

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People are still debating whether Jiraiya plays in Itachi's league. A Sannin pales in comparion with Itachi's power and skills.
 

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People are still denying Jiraya is stronger than Itachi? The manga has already spoken. Inb4 Itachi was lying
 
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