Jiraiya vs. Itachi

[Strict]

Inb4 haters think Itachi was talking about Jiraiya. Jiraiya is shit. He can't beat Itachi.

 

[Bogard]

Inb4 haters think Itachi was talking about Jiraiya. Jiraiya is shit. He can't beat Itachi.

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Sure right, it wasn't Jiraya

They were so afraid of Jiraya they had to find a way to keep him away from Naruto

Itachi can't beat Jiraya by feats and hype

 

[Strict]

And then Kisame says in the next panel, that his babysitter was one of the Sannin. So they talked about Naruto with the possibility of him releasing Kyuubi's full power.

Itachi beats Jiraiya by feats easily. Jiraiya would be dead back then, if Itachi fired his Amaterasu at Jiraiya. But we all know that Itachi ws never an actual enemy of Konoha. Inb4 Bogard reads the Manga between the lines.

 

[LuckyMan]

What? Jiraiya has no sensing feats whatsoever in the manga. He would have to be informed every second of the fight of the occurrences of the outside world.

Jman does not, but Ma+Pa are sensors in SM. You are making it seem as is if its hard for sensory ninja to relate information to their allies. They sense it, they tell him, simple as that.

What happens when Itachi attempts genjutsu at Ma or Pa?

Both are in SM so one would sense the change in the others chakra and break it so fast gejutsu will not be useful.

What happens when Itachi uses an explosive clone followed by Amateratsu?

This is not saying much. Amaterasu builds up in his eye before he uses it, it will get sensed, not to mention the eye bleeds first which is a clear indicator its coming. Jman can make a dozen shadow clones and Itachi can't risk hitting the wrong one and wasting that chakra. Thats not a good strategy halving his power with a clone then attempt and Amaterasu? Yikes!

You cannot possibly believe they will rid of the clone and create a smoke cloud, or not think about the clone, create the dust cloud, and not have the dust dispersed by the explosion?

This is not a good argument as I mentioned, Jman can also make clones.

That's actually quite a good counter to Amateratsu you mentioned, however, I personally do not seeing it plausible if exploding Kage Bunshin is right before Amateratsu is prepped.

Once again, Amaterasu has to build up......Jman can also make clones. This is getting boring

They will be too busy alerting Jiraiya of the exploding clone to tell him of Itachi's Amateratsu as well.

One will be sensing Amaterasu while the other can alert him of the clone. Besides, starting distance is 50 meters, you don't really think the clone has an explosion of that radius do you?

More so, what can Jiraiya do if Itachi fires Yasaka Magatama and then immediately after fires Amatertasu. Yasaka Magatama isn't being stopped by Jiraiya's hair, but can be dodged, yet if Jiraiya dodges he has no way of stopping Amareratsu from burning right through his hair, especially if the amount of chakra expended is increased, thus more Yakasa's are thrown.

Jman creates a dozen clones, thats how. Itachi cant risk hitting the wrong one and Jman certainly out speeds the Yasaka Beads pretty easily. Itachi can't attack them all at once. Your acting as if Jman cant move and have Needle Jizo around him at the same time when he already proved he can against Konan.

 

[Bogard]

And then Kisame says in the next panel, that his babysitter was one of the Sannin. So they talked about Naruto with the possibility of him releasing Kyuubi's full power.

Itachi beats Jiraiya by feats easily. Jiraiya would be dead back then, if Itachi fired his Amaterasu at Jiraiya. But we all know that Itachi ws never an actual enemy of Konoha. Inb4 Bogard reads the Manga between the lines.

Well their actions speak for themselves, so i don't even think i need to enter a translation game with you. They so feared Jiraya they had to find a way to keep him away before facing Naruto. That alone shows who they were really fearing and everyone not blinded by fanboyism would be capable to see that

Btw, for your information, in the japanese language the article "his" doesn't exist, so when it translates from japanese to english, the translator usually gives articles depending on the sense of the sentence leading sometimes to translations errors

Alive Itachi can't even fire Amaterasu accurately. In Sage Mode on the other hand, Jiraya is one with the environment, allowing him to notice any changing in the atmosphere. He possess defensive iron hair attacks to protect himself, clones or kawarimi. Amaterasu isn't a threat. On the other hand, Jiraya possess large scale ninjutsu(senjutsu) techniques against which Itachi has no counters(yomi numa, sound paralysing jutsus, sound genjutsu, senpou goemon and so on)

The day you will finally start to understand Jiraya's capabilities, you'll realise it's Itachi the one who stands no chance

 

[Strict]

Well their actions speak for themselves, so i don't even think i need to enter a translation game with you. They so feared Jiraya they had to find a way to keep him away before facing Naruto. That alone shows who they were really fearing and everyone not blinded by fanboyism would be capable to see that.

Yeah. Why facing a Sannin in the first place if they can keep him away easily with a Genjutsu placed on a woman, to take Naruto with them without playing up. Itachi fired Amaterasu instantly to open a way out of the toad's stomach. The same move on Jiraiya and he would be dead. There is no need to fear Jiraiya. When a kid Itachi didn't fear a feared Sannin and solo'd him with a Genjutsu, there is all the more no reason for an adult Itachi, who was backed up by Kisame, to fear Jiraiya.

The time Jman needs to enter Sage Mode, Itachi could catch him in a Genjutsu, burn him with Amaterasu or blitz him with Susanoo 10 times.

I pity you, Bogard.

 

[UchiGod Itachi]

1- He defeated handicaped Orochimaru only
2- There is no ABC rules in this manga. There are ninjas better suited to deal with people than others
3- Orochimaru isn't even in Jiraya's league

Defeated a weaken Orochimaru sure he did lol

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Orochimaru is far above Jiraya ,Jiraya failed to stop Orochimaru

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Orochimaru vs Jiraya both Handicapped Orochimaru spanked him. lol

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[Strict]

UchiGod Itachi was quite clear. Orochimaru is portrayed as the stronger of them in the Manga. And at the same time, Orochimaru is no match for a kid Itachi with 3 Tomoe. There isn't even a chance for him to enter Sage Mode. Itachi will low diff him before.

 

[Bogard]

Yeah. Why facing a Sannin in the first place if they can keep him away easily with a Genjutsu placed on a woman, to take Naruto with them without playing up. Itachi fired Amaterasu instantly to open a way out of the toad's stomach. The same move on Jiraiya and he would be dead. There is no need to fear Jiraiya. When a kid Itachi didn't fear a feared Sannin and solo'd him with a Genjutsu, there is all the more no reason for an adult Itachi, who was backed up by Kisame, to fear Jiraiya.

He fired it while being away from Jiraya. He couldn't do that face to face, because

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would happen. Besides, like i've said he can't fire Amaterasu accurately. He need close distance for that [

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The "Kid" you mention defeated an handicaped Orochimaru who only wanted to take his body due to being close to his limits, and comparing Jiraya to Orochimaru is ridiculous considering they aren't even the same type of opponents. Jiraya is one of the finest shinobi to ever live, he is the only sannin who could use Sage Mode, he was close to defeat a stronger opponent than Itachi, basically he is in a different league than Orochimaru

The time Jman needs to enter Sage Mode, Itachi could catch him in a Genjutsu, burn him with Amaterasu or blitz him with Susanoo 10 times.

I pity you, Bogard.

I pity your ignorance if you really think Jiraya doesn't possess the arsenal to buy enough time to enter this mode when he could against a superior opponent. With his shadow mimic, clones, frog barriers, he can enter SM whenever he wants

@UchihaGod, Orochimaru isn't even close to Jiraya. Jiraya was close to defeat an even stronger opponent than Itachi. The only reason he failed against Orochimaru is because he never wanted to kill him, but bring him back to reason. Even Itachi failed against Sasuke in that regard [

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[Apêx1]

1- Chakra from beneath from tree climbing, doesn't help to walk on water. There is no proof it would help against such a earth shape modification
2- He doesn't even know the technique
3- It takes effect in an instant, he won't even have time to react

He knows of the technique given full intel.
Pretty confident it has been stated by Jiraiya that you need chakra beneath your feet to walk on water. He will notice the seal and the chakra being molded. Given it's his only Doton, it shouldn't be hard to know what is coming.

Jman does not, but Ma+Pa are sensors in SM. You are making it seem as is if its hard for sensory ninja to relate information to their allies. They sense it, they tell him, simple as that.

That's if Itachi is not using clones to make it impossible to convey two things at once.

Both are in SM so one would sense the change in the others chakra and break it so fast gejutsu will not be useful.

That's pure speculation. So if Itachi genjutsu'd one of the toads, and directly went to fire amateratsu, they could release the genjutsu and convey the message. What if Itachi genjutsu'd both of them?

This is not saying much. Amaterasu builds up in his eye before he uses it, it will get sensed, not to mention the eye bleeds first which is a clear indicator its coming. Jman can make a dozen shadow clones and Itachi can't risk hitting the wrong one and wasting that chakra. Thats not a good strategy halving his power with a clone then attempt and Amaterasu? Yikes!

Jiraiya's clones are a waste of chakra, he cannot recreate Ma and Pa on his shoulders; that's a dead give away. He will know which is the real one and end.

This is not a good argument as I mentioned, Jman can also make clones.

Fair enough, clones should rid of the explosive clone.

One will be sensing Amaterasu while the other can alert him of the clone. Besides, starting distance is 50 meters, you don't really think the clone has an explosion of that radius do you?

Again, I agreed to clones taking out the explosive clone.

Jman creates a dozen clones, thats how. Itachi cant risk hitting the wrong one and Jman certainly out speeds the Yasaka Beads pretty easily. Itachi can't attack them all at once. Your acting as if Jman cant move and have Needle Jizo around him at the same time when he already proved he can against Konan.

He won't hit the wrong one. Yasaka Magatama plows through the clones like nothing, and penetrates the defence of Jiraiya. I don't see Jiraiya reacting to many magatama's at the same time, considering Tsunade got hit by one. Anyways, what if Itachi does a Katon and Jiraiaya counters with a katon of larger magnitude. Given Itachi uses amateratsu on it, Jiraiya is roasted.


Wait. You're giving all these 'counters' but what can Jiraiya actually do to beat Itachi? Itachi is faster, can dodge every attack of Jiraiya's given clone jukes and sharingan, and has potential to win, while Jiraiya does not.

 

[Oblivionx]

jiraya takes it...

 

[LuckyMan]

@Apex

Ma+Pa are fused into Jmans body. They will obviously materialize on his shoulders.... l0l!

 

[LOCKKO REE]

Itachi low-mid diff. Zero counters to Amaterasu and since J-man even stated Genjutsu was his primary weakness, it'll be the key factor to end this match.

You are forgetting that Jiraya is a sage ... and his two ma and pa toads are strong genjutsu users so.. itachi cannot have a chance even if he uses amaterasu.. because jiraya is an earth style and can produce barriers for these these techniques... he is the most strong shinobi as per the databook so jiraya can win as well unless itachi activate izanagi

 

[LOCKKO REE]

Jiraya is more stronger than itachi .. his stamina is very low though he is a complete ninja but stamina matters on the other hand jiraya is himself strong and plus he is a sage, he can take 5 6 pain members at once without any intelligence then what is itachi???

 

[Strict]

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Jiraiya himself states, that Itachi is on a whole different level. And he further says, that the only thing that would stop Itachi from taking Naruto, would be the distance. Jiraiya himself implied his inferiority, as his statement would mean that not even he would be capable of stopping Itachi.

Apart from that, Itachi was also shown to fire Amaterasu instantly at an intended destination [

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Even Obito, who saved Sasuke from being killed by the instantaneous Jinton, failed to react at Amaterasu despite of realizing the usage due to bleeding. To conclude, you can only dodge Amaterasu with lightning speed, as you would escape from the Sharingan's sight.

 

[Apêx1]

@Apex

Ma+Pa are fused into Jmans body. They will obviously materialize on his shoulders.... l0l!

lulz m8. Why would they appear on his clones' shoulders? You are sharing chakra with your clone and the clone speaks, hears, blinks, etc. His clones having ma and pa on his shoulders would mean he's creating alternate personalities on his shoulders.

 

[Beans2]

lulz m8. Why would they appear on his clones' shoulders? You are sharing chakra with your clone and the clone speaks, hears, blinks, etc. His clones having ma and pa on his shoulders would mean he's creating alternate personalities on his shoulders.

It's called a transformation jutsu.

 

[Apêx1]

It's called a transformation jutsu.

So everyone of his 12 clones begins in this transformation jutsu? Please...

 

[RicardoA]

With full intel i definetly believe Jiraiya can take this match.
The only great threat here would be Amaterasu, but that's something that will be expected and countered with some jutsu in Jiraiya's vast arsenal or simply with sheer speed considering he's already in SM.

 

[Beans2]

So everyone of his 12 clones begins in this transformation jutsu? Please...

Chapter 2 Naruto was capable of using clone jutsu and transformation jutsu simultaneously to achieve his Sexy jutsu. They did not transform after they were created, but at the same time. Jiraiya could easily replicate this feat.

Edit: Seems like i was wrong about naruto doing it in chapter 2. Naruto has been shown to do them simultaneously before, let me look up the scans.