[Theory] Kabuto might take a big role from now on

[davidou]

How do you think then, that he manage the get Shodai Cells knowledge? He doesn't have Kaguya's DNA per se, Kabuto got the Shodai's DNA (a succesor of Kaguya).

I would like you to end the first discussion we had before begining a new one.

 

[Mr Hiru]

I would like you to end the first discussion we had before begining a new one.

Then stop complaining to these conclusions.

 

[Draven]

Hiru look up at my last reply maybe that will help you alleviate some of your theory

 

[conradoserpa]

Izanmi should be the ultimate plot shield against genjutsu.

Kabuto CAN'T get in genjutsus anymore after everything he have passed. I hope Kishi feels the same.

 

[davidou]

Then stop complaining to these conclusions.

That means you admit that I'm right.
Pretty well hidden sense.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Hiru look up at my last reply maybe that will help you alleviate some of your theory

I did, the problem is that something happened after that.

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The current Orochimaru is completely made of Zetsu DNA right now. This debunks my theory regarding Zetsu (or Shodai's Cells) being immune to IT.

That means you admit that I'm right.
Pretty well hidden sense.

No, that means that you're the one who started to get off-topic and started to extrapolate nonsensical conclusions. Stop the foolishness, unless you prefer I pass from your comments from now. Don't blame me for you to not knowing what's boolean logic (transitivity).

 

[davidou]

No, that means that you're the one who started to get off-topic and started to get extrapolate nonsensical conclusions. Stop the foolishness, unless you prefer I pass from your comments from now.

*_* , I brought you a proof that a part of your theory is wrong (that's perfectly on-topic) , and you just don't want to ear it.
I understand that you don't feel good , but don't be deaf.

 

[Mr Hiru]

*_* , I brought you a proof that a part of your theory is wrong (that's perfectly on-topic) , and you just don't want to ear it.
I understand that you don't feel good , but don't be deaf.

...I'll pass from the cocky attitude you have and all your attempts to ridicule me. I perfectly watched what you put on topic, and that's what I'll answer right now.

I just ignored what followed up these lines, specially when you started to put words into my mouth. I don't need to read these poor kind of argumentation.

Now, on topic, I'll speak about proof.

It is not that kind of genjutsu , its like radio waves that act on every brain living , even cats , even guys who don't see the moonlight...

Kabuto is looking at the moon and doesn't answer Tobirama , he must be under IT.
His infinite experience to escape Izanami can make him able to break that dream , but not his dragon sunglasses...

First of all. You speak as you knowing the mechanics behind IT.

Assuming you know it well, your "proof" has a lot of implications (assumptions to be precise, meaning that they can't be taken as proof per se, but only as observations, possibilities).

- For instance, it would need to assume that every being is equally vulnerable to IT (ergo, that no matter which properties these beings have, they are vulnerable to IT, or in a simpler way: DSM Kabuto is as vulnerable as a fodder kitty).

- Also, it would imply that no matter if guys wears sunglasses, they would fall into the genjutsu.

- You're implying that IT act like radio waves.

For assumption #1:

We have a problem in here - Edo Tensei guys, Madara, BZ and Sasuke seems to be immune. How is that they are immune? Madara's case can be understood... he is the caster. But what about Black Zetsu? And the Edo Tensei? Lot of theories out there. I just put another one.

For assumption #2:

We have another problem in here - A lot of people who were waking up from their dreams first were slept (lol, obvious), and just after their wake up the genjutsu took over them. How is that they were not affected while being sleep?

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They were not affected until the moment where they opened the eyes, and even when you close your eyes light can be seen (almost nothing of course, but light passes still passes through due the subtle amount of transparency of the skin of the eyelid). This debunks the possibility of IT affecting living beings that are sleeping or that have the eyes closed.

In the case of Kabuto, his dragon-glasses completely blocks his eyesight, just like being blind. It's even thicker than his eyelids, opening the possibility of he being immune.

Bee... well, Bee case is obvious. His glasses naturally let him see through. But in Kabuto's case, he completely loses visual contact. This was seen in his battle against Itachi and Sasuke. Only a genjutsu that act outside the sense of vision could affect him: Izanami.

For assumption #3:

You're speaking a lot about the invisible spectrum that is not perceptible to human eyesight. There are few people out there that actually knows about these frequencies, and it has not been even hinted in the manga. Are you implying that this genjutsu would affect even people that cannot see? That this genjutsu affects through other senses apart from eyes? (this assumption is big), and it highly raises doubts if we consider the second assumption I found.

Your proof, as you can see, is highly debatable due its implications. It would need to assume a lot of things that are not even mentioned in the manga. They are good possibilities, good questioning. But they are way far from being facts. You need to refine them to counter the theory (well, the thing about Orochimaru got me on troubles... the theory is already being debunked).

 

[EVlL]

christ this thread again

MT will get anybody affected as long as they dont have susanoo to hide. case closed

 

[Mr Hiru]

christ this thread again

MT will get anybody affected as long as they dont have susanoo to hide. case closed

Man, at least you have the facts clear.

 

[Byron123]

When Tobirama was speaking he would have mentioned about how Kabuto didn't fall under it but he acted as if he was the only one around with his senses intact. Besides, Kabuto has already fallen under Izanami which is a genjutsu of a way lower caliber so there is no way that he could resist against the strongest genjutsu ever.

 

[davidou]

...I'll pass from the cocky attitude you have and all your attempts to ridicule me. I perfectly watched what you put on topic, and that's what I'll answer right now.

I just ignored what followed up these lines, specially when you started to put words into my mouth. I don't need to read these poor kind of argumentation.

Now, on topic, I'll speak about proof.



First of all. You speak as you knowing the mechanics behind IT.

Assuming you know it well, your "proof" has a lot of implications (assumptions to be precise, meaning that they can't be taken as proof per se, but only as observations, possibilities).

- For instance, it would need to assume that every being is equally vulnerable to IT (ergo, that no matter which properties these beings have, they are vulnerable to IT, or in a simpler way: DSM Kabuto is as vulnerable as a fodder kitty).

- Also, it would imply that no matter if guys wears sunglasses, they would fall into the genjutsu.

- You're implying that IT act like radio waves.

For assumption #1:

We have a problem in here - Edo Tensei guys, Madara, BZ and Sasuke seems to be immune. How is that they are immune? Madara's case can be understood... he is the caster. But what about Black Zetsu? And the Edo Tensei? Lot of theories out there. I just put another one.

For assumption #2:

We have another problem in here - A lot of people who were waking up from their dreams first were slept (lol, obvious), and just after their wake up the genjutsu took over them. How is that they were not affected while being sleep?

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They were not affected until the moment where they opened the eyes, and even when you close your eyes light can be seen (almost nothing of course, but light passes still passes through due the subtle amount of transparency of the skin of the eyelid). This debunks the possibility of IT affecting living beings that are sleeping or that have the eyes closed.

In the case of Kabuto, his dragon-glasses completely blocks his eyesight, just like being blind. It's even thicker than his eyelids, opening the possibility of he being immune.

Bee... well, Bee case is obvious. His glasses naturally let him see through. But in Kabuto's case, he completely loses visual contact. This was seen in his battle against Itachi and Sasuke. Only a genjutsu that act outside the sense of vision could affect him: Izanami.

For assumption #3:

You're speaking a lot about the invisible spectrum that is not perceptible to human eyesight. There are few people out there that actually knows about these frequencies, and it has not been even hinted in the manga. Are you implying that this genjutsu would affect even people that cannot see? That this genjutsu affects through other senses apart from eyes? (this assumption is big), and it highly raises doubts if we consider the second assumption I found.

Your proof, as you can see, is highly debatable due its implications. It would need to assume a lot of things that are not even mentioned in the manga. They are good possibilities, good questioning. But they are way far from being facts. You need to refine them to counter the theory (well, the thing about Orochimaru got me on troubles... the theory is already being debunked).

I know that it is not enjoyable to hear someone state hypothesis as they are facts , I'm sorry if you thought about that with my sentence;"It's like radio waves".
I should have said , It's more like radio waves , because this light go throught walls , manga fact=proof.

1/I said that this light probably act on every brain alive.Edos are not alive , BZ is Kaguya's will , no body , no brain.

2/What if those who sleep are opening their eyes just after the moment the jutsu is affecting them?
What if it was the jutsu that made them open their eyes and look toward the moon.

Eyes closed , looking toward the sun (huge light) , you see some light coming in your eyes , in your bedroom , you don't see anything.
Kabuto have a dragon cornea , I don't know but it's probable that a 30 cm wall can block more light than his dragon cornea.
If a wall can't stop that moonlight , it's very probable that Kabuto's cornea can't stop that light.

3/I think blind people are also under IT.
I think it works directly on your brain , no need for eyes.



Your idea concerning DNA is interesting.
That is probable that all the DNA he put in him created something like Kaguya's DNA.

But , even if its true that he has Kaguya's DNA , Kabuto is looking toward the moon and doesn't answer Tobirama like everyone who is under the genjutsu.

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He acts like if he was in the genjutsu.