Tsuki no Me was Insulting

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Maybe that's the Tsunade she is. Just because we make these "factual" assumptions on her inner thoughts and desires, doesn't mean that's exactly what she wants. :hint:

Oh cool. So there is literally zero strong and interesting women in this manga then. Good to know.
 

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Ohh numbers, i just made the counter arguement thread, what a coincidence XD
 

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Also, people seem to forget that these were only one panel glimpses only. We don't know their experiences in the dream world. Kishi just showed glimpses of their fate so that he could focus on Madara, Kaguya and Team 7.
 

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Maybe that's the Tsunade she is. Just because we make these "factual" assumptions on her inner thoughts and desires, doesn't mean that's exactly what she wants. :hint:

If she wanted to be a housewife you think she'd have this powerful will to oppose people like Orochimaru, Pain, and Madara? I see where you're coming from, It just felt a bit cheap IMO.
 

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Ohh numbers, i just made the counter arguement thread, what a coincidence XD

Awesome! I'll have a read.

You can't deny that the exploration of this would've been better though. Could've been a real way to finish off these characters we've known for years whose role in the manga is probably over.
 

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Because she's come so far, being a top dog in the War, protecting her village during an invasion, taking the mantle of hokage all in the first place. Yet all she wants is to be on the sideline? That's not the Tsunade we've known for years.

Oh really, check the dream again, her boyfriend is alive, her little brother is alive, Jiraya is alive, and Orochimaru is their so he didn't betray them.

She didn't want to be Hokage, that was Dan's and Nawaki's dream which she supported, she only became Hokage because Naruto convinced her too.

This to her is a world where they didn't die and their dreams came true, and Orochimaru didn't betray them.
 

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Also, people seem to forget that these were only one panel glimpses only. We don't know their experiences in the dream world. Kishi just showed glimpses of their fate so that he could focus on Madara, Kaguya and Team 7.

Oh of course, I just wish he hadn't done that. You read the hypothetical bit I wrote at the bottom?

Do you genuinely think that wouldn't be more interesting? Better than these 1 panel jabs at comic relief anyhow.
 

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Seems the forum is pretty split on this one huh :')

For the record i'm obviously not as mad as I sound but it does suck to have your favourite that are your favourites for their depth and growth simplified so drastically.

I know what you mean. I, too, at first was like, "So that's it, Kiba? That's all you wanted, Lee?" but at the same time I was like, "Probably a comical insert. This will cause a war."
 

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The one dream I find really insulting is the one where Tsunade apparently gives up her position as Hokage and lets Dan take over,that sets some really bad implications.
 

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I am praying that we will get a whole new arc based on their experiences in Infinite Tsukuyomi. It will be so epic. :x3:
 

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The one dream I find really insulting is the one where Tsunade apparently gives up her position as Hokage and lets Dan take over,that sets some really bad implications.

That one and the Chouji ones really are the worst.
 

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I think you're complaining about nothing. Infinite Tsukyomi exists to make the desires of the victims "come true" Notice how in most of them (barring Ino), that the ones close to them that have died are in there? It fits perfectly, they achieve their desire for themselves while the ones close to them are still in there.

For instance, you're complaining about Hintata being focused only on Naruto. That's not what I see. I see someone who has everyone she cares for as 1 big happy family. Neji and Hanabi, for instance, look perfectly comfortable around each other. This tells me that A. she want Naruto(big shocker) and B. she wants their to be peace in her family above all else. It's not vain. She's not ignoring Neji at all, the fact that he's there shows she misses him. There's only so much one can put in a single panel, that single panel seemed to put in all of Hinata's core desires in one panel. I could make similar cases for the others as well. (Ino is a disgrace though, won't argue on that)




Understand this, the entire world of this illusion revolves around the desires. Not every desire we human beings have is right, which is why we don't indulge in them. However, I'm pretty sure if a world revolved around our desires, we'd come across as disgusting as well. If anything, this adds realism to the Naruto characters for having desires not exactly right.
 

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the dreams should of been more deep.
 

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If she wanted to be a housewife you think she'd have this powerful will to oppose people like Orochimaru, Pain, and Madara? I see where you're coming from, It just felt a bit cheap IMO.

Yeah. Maybe she just did all that for Dan. I think in an episode way back when Dan visited her she says that she did all this for him.
 

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The one dream I find really insulting is the one where Tsunade apparently gives up her position as Hokage and lets Dan take over,that sets some really bad implications.

You need to reread the Search for Tsunade arc, Tsunade never wanted to be Hokage, that was Dan's dream. She supported him and his goal, she only became Hokage after Naruto talked her into it.


In her dream she never became Hokage in the first place, that wasn't her dream.
 

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Lol imagination? He's describing what we're shown in the panels. They all lack depth, development, and sentiment. Almost all were stupid comic reliefs that could have had the potential to be a final piece of character development to these characters that probably won't play a large role in the manga anymore.

Please...
You wanted to see the depth, development and sentiment (even tho the latter one was on the spot) in the mere panels of 300x400 ?
Tite Kubo leaves entire white spaces of that size in his chapters, not mentioning the drawing part itself.
I'll say this again, with those incredibly little amount of space, Kishi showed us a glimpse at what their current state of mind looked like... nothing else. All we do is speculate as how Tsunade turned out to be the housewife... and etc.
We all have our opinions, and it's perfectly fine for them to differ from each other. ^^
 

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It wasn't great, it was decent, their dream worlds were exactly what was expected; in line with their characters and how they've been developed, not sure of the problem. You are saying Tsunade's dream is insulting because she wants to have her dead lover, teammates and friends back? Throughout the series it's been shown how much she loves and misses them, it's no surprise to me that having them back is what she desires the most.
 

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You need to reread the Search for Tsunade arc, Tsunade never wanted to be Hokage, that was Dan's dream. She supported him and his goal, she only became Hokage after Naruto talked her into it.


In her dream she never became Hokage in the first place, that wasn't her dream.
Yet she accepted it anyway and did a good job as Hokage,having her give it up makes no sense.Tsunade could've easily quit being Hokage but she did'nt.So the dream where she's not Hokage harkens back to the time where women in positions of power had to defer to a man and were costantly ridiculed.

Like I said before,the dream has bad implications.
 
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