[VS] Kakuzu Versus Hokage (Indiviually)

[TheEvilOne]

Are you calling me ridiculous for showing you that you are incorrect in your previous assertion?

. . . Or are you expressing fascination at the prospect of inconsistent creature sizes?

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Do you want me to list at least 10 drawing errors from the manga? Just because you can show me 1 scan it doesn't mean you are right. Yugito clearly wasn't Bijuu sized. Kakuzu and Hidan were standing near her and she was barely larger then them.

 

[Apêx1]

Get tyour facts straight retard . Go and see some official translation then talk about the manga . I said to distract him kid not to kill him with shadow clones just like Naruto did or u forgot how Kakuzu got fooled from Naruto back then . also agai nthe toads will distract him so Minato can collect nature energy . Sound Genjutsu also solos you are just pathetic you thjink that the toads and MInato will stay just like that and waiting Kakuzu to blow them roflmao get lost .

Lel calling people retards when your grammar is 6th grade level at best, ironic. That's called pnj, and Naruto had a jutsu which could end the fight, whereas Minato does not. Domu tanks. Toads aren't distracting anything lmao. Gian ends them, stop being in denial. Show me scans of him doing the ritual 'retard'. *Thinks he's (Benzy) a good debater* *Realise my 8 year old brother could make better ones*

 

[TheEvilOne]

Domu isn't tanking shit.

 

[Black Wolf]

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Do you want me to list at least 10 drawing errors from the manga? Just because you can show me 1 scan it doesn't mean you are right.

The fact that giant creatures in general have never maintained consistent size throughout the manga inherently counters your entire post. You cannot show me evidence if we have every reason to believe that that evidence is incorrect or flawed. Gamabunta and Gamaken are the same size, yet we have the same individual standing on their heads in two different panels and the scaling is completely different.

Yugito clearly wasn't Bijuu sized. Kakuzu and Hidan were standing near her and she was barely larger then them.

The burden of proof is on you to prove she wasn't full Bijuu-sized. Judging her by size is a false measure, as I have already shown you that sizes are inconsistent, and if Kishimoto can make errors between Gamaken's size in a span of about 40 chapters, an art error can easily be made from something that happened 400 chapters ago.

There has never been a single instance where a Bijuu looks like its fully transformed when its not. Provide evidence that there is an intermediary Bijuu step that isn't V1 or V2. I've checked - there isn't. There is only V1, V2, and full Bijuu. Yugito was very clearly full Bijuu, and it was noted by both Hidan and Kakuzu (verbally, they both stated she went full Bijuu).

The only Bijuu forms other than the full size that we know of are V1 and V2, and Yugito was clearly not in V1 or V2 - hell, we've already seen her in V1 and V2 and she looked nothing like that. It was clearly full Bijuu.

 

[Apêx1]

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Do you want me to list at least 10 drawing errors from the manga? Just because you can show me 1 scan it doesn't mean you are right. Yugito clearly wasn't Bijuu sized. Kakuzu and Hidan were standing near her and she was barely larger then them.

He's right doe, biju scaling is completely off-scale, as I can show with 50% kyuubi if you want. People don't seem to realise Kishi doesn't think "oh, I should make Nardo 40pixels smaller so people on NB dun get confused br0."

Domu isn't tanking shit.

Fallacy. I see no reason as to why mere torque would penetrate an armour as hard as diamond.

 

[TheEvilOne]

The fact that giant creatures in general have never maintained consistent size throughout the manga inherently counters your entire post. You cannot show me evidence if we have every reason to believe that that evidence is incorrect. Gamabunta and Gamaken are the same size, yet we have the same individual standing on their heads in two different panels and the scaling is completely different.

There has never been a single instance where a Bijuu looks like its fully transformed when its not. Provide evidence that there is an intermediary Bijuu step that isn't V1 or V2. I've checked - there isn't. There is only V1, V2, and full Bijuu. Yugito was clearly full Bijuu, and it was noted by both Hidan and Kakuzu (verbally, they both stated she went full Bijuu).

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Gamabunta is somewhat bigger than Gamaken. He was standing behind Gamabunta and that's the only reason why he seemed as big as him.

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( see how small that random fodder is compared to them ) then we have nothing to talk about.

 

[RedRobin]

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Gamabunta is somewhat bigger than Gamaken. He was standing behind Gamabunta and that's the only reason why he seemed as big as him.

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( see how small that random fodder is compared to them ) then we have nothing to talk about.

Actually those random ninja are Kakashi and Gai lol

 

[Valhorus]

He can beat only Tsunade and Old Hiruzen .Other Hokages Defeats Him .

 

[Bantos]

He can beat only Tsunade and Old Hiruzen .Other Hokages Defeats Him .

How does Minato defeat him? And also I disagree about Tsunade losing this.

 

[Haizaki]

Get tyour facts straight retard . Go and see some official translation then talk about the manga . I said to distract him kid not to kill him with shadow clones just like Naruto did or u forgot how Kakuzu got fooled from Naruto back then . also agai nthe toads will distract him so Minato can collect nature energy . Sound Genjutsu also solos you are just pathetic you thjink that the toads and MInato will stay just like that and waiting Kakuzu to blow them roflmao get lost .

What in the world made you call him retard...smh

Lel calling people retards when your grammar is 6th grade level at best, ironic. That's called pnj, and Naruto had a jutsu which could end the fight, whereas Minato does not. Domu tanks. Toads aren't distracting anything lmao. Gian ends them, stop being in denial. Show me scans of him doing the ritual 'retard'. *Thinks he's (Benzy) a good debater* *Realise my 8 year old brother could make better ones*

Why are we brining plot into this though?

 

[Black Wolf]

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Gamabunta is somewhat bigger than Gamaken. He was standing behind Gamabunta and that's the only reason why he seemed as big as him.

Look at Jiraiya's size compared to Gamaken's head, and then look at Jiraiya's size compared to Gamabunta's head. Please do not stand there and pretend that they are anywhere near the same size. Going off by that scaling, Gamabunta should completely dwarf Gamaken. However, they are later shown to be roughly the same size. By that scaling Gamabunta wouldn't be "somewhat bigger" than Gamaken - it would literally be like a legged Susano'o compared to a legless Susano'o.

I can find more comparisons that highlight the inconsistency, like Gamabunta's size compared to the full Kyuubi and Gamabunta's size in the Pain fight, but you will probably shrug that off as you have my current point.

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Never said they were drawn the same size. I said that the manga has always been inconsistent with the scaling of large creatures and it's odd that you are going to close your eyes to that fact and continue spouting "it wasn't full sized."

Prove that there are transformations other than V1 and V2 that aren't full Bijuu or partial Bijuu transformations (ala growing Hachibi arms out of Bee's limbs). Since you cannot, it is obvious that the only reason they are different sizes is bad scaling by Kishimoto.

It's also funny you call Kakashi and Gai fodders. Subtle flame bait detected and denied.

 

[Bogard]

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Yes Kakuzu is a great tank I like how people ignored this though

 

[Bantos]

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Yes Kakuzu is a great tank I like how people ignored this though

He obviously doesn't have domu there. :| Could be that he lacks doton affinity completely at that point.

 

[Bogard]

He obviously doesn't have domu there. :| Could be that he lacks doton affinity completely at that point.

Doton is his heart(or primarily elemental) affinity [

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] Edo tensei corpse come back with their original body(Sasori is an example of this). He had doton even as an edo

 

[UchihaNagashi]

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Yes Kakuzu is a great tank I like how people ignored this though

Because he totally had Domu in that scan right? Sure

 

[UchihaNagashi]

Wait so he can't react to chunin level ninjas?

But wait, he could react to these guys [

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]? Obviously alive > Edo if not adding immortality. One of them was mid-Kage level though, isn't that right my dear Bogard?

 

[Kamui Sama]

I don't see Kakazu tanking foodcart destroyer

 

[Zexion~]

Against Danzo it all comes down to which way he is facing when Danzo summons Baku

He beats, Minato, Tobirama,Tsunade and Hiruzen

Loses to Hashi

 

[RicardoA]

Round 1: Danzo - Kakuzu probably wins mid-high-diff.

The only problem for Kakuzu would be Baku and the Juinjutsu, but he can take one enhanced Futon and promptly retaliate with Katon and continue to use the masks even if he's paralysed. He just has to keep on overpowerin Danzo with Katon or counterbalance with Futon and wait for his immortal time to run out.

Round 2: Tsunade - Tsunade wins this one mid-high-diff imo (controversial opinion lel).

In short; Byakugo tanks any elemental jutsu thrown if she gets caught, chakra scalpel allows her to cut his threads and masks off, her punches >> Domu...

Round 3: Minato - Minato wins mid-diff.

Domu isn't active all the time and Minato is not only one of the fastest shinobi ever, he's also one of the most clever. He just needs to tag Kakuzu and wait for an opening. The masks are taken down in a similar manner or with a summonings help (which i don't see necessary).
His SM Rasengan could possibly overcome Domu, but that's only speculation.

Round 4: Hiruzen - Hiruzen should take this high-diff.

Yeah, he's got stamina/chakra problems, but i can see the old man handling this since in the end he has got the right tools to deal with this.
Like Minato he's also very clever and highly perceptive, he should identify Domu has a Doton right away. After this a simple Raiton would do the trick. It may not be easy to catch Kakuzu off guard (since Kakashi had to rely on a surprise attack), but while Hiruzen can choose which element to spit, the masks always spit the same element, this is another point where his intellect comes into play. Once the masks are taken down i don't see why should someone as skilled as him have a problem, especially since it becomes a 2v1 at that point.

Round 2: Tobirama - Tobirama mid-diff.

Similar to Minato, nothing to add here.

Round 1: Hashirama - Hashirama (w/o trying) low-diff.

Pretty obvious why >_>

 

[Inert Brian]

Against Danzo it all comes down to which way he is facing when Danzo summons Baku

He beats, Minato, Tobirama,Tsunade and Hiruzen

Loses to Hashi

He can take old Hiruzen, but he is not beating prime Hiruzen.

Enma was as hard as Diamond, Enma > Domu. + Hiruzen was capable of using each element in large scales, his element usage stomps Kakuzu, this cannot be debated looking at Hiruzen vs Kakuzu's elemental attack sizes.

Kakuzu takes Tobirama.

Minato takes Kakuzu if Rasengan > Domu, but this can go either way. Minato also has RDS, but that would just tie. Minato is more likely to take this so i'll give it to him. But this one can't really be confirmed, Kakuzu isn't hitting Minato...

Kakuzu takes Danzo, i'm surprised you'd actually give Danzo this with Baku. Kakuzu's threads can extend and grab stable objects, while his elements take out Baku. His hearts will eventually push Danzo out of Izanagi. He could take out the Fire heart, but I don't see Danzo's Fuuton doing anymore in than the fire heart.

Hashi is obvious.