Except that...if they hadn't given him power the Alliance would be paste right now. If he had declined it he would have been absolutely retarded. Important leaders would have never risen to their positions was it not for help, either behind the scenes or directly. I don't get your point.
You're misinterpreting what Naruto said. He didn't mean shortcut to powerups, he meant shortcuts to becoming Hokage and finding peace, which has nothing to do gaining power.
Obito wanted the easy way out and create an illusionary world, which was the easy way, instead of facing reality and find an answer there.
I don't blame you for misinterpreting, because a lot of people are stupid. That's how the world works.
I believe you're missing the entire point of the series, and Naruto's character as a whole. I found a simply excellent thread by numbers a few weeks back, and I'll quote it here.
Naruto is the one to bring everybody together. Ending conflict, the boundary between good/evil and ultimately peace. EMPATHY is what makes Naruto a good character. He saw a tortured child inside the psychopath Gaara. He saw a hopeful strong woman inside the alcoholic Tsunade who had given up, a strong ally inside the embodiment of evil Demon Fox within him and now the ninja world has teamed up against one ultimate 'evil' and even that Naruto will make redundant.
He's not designed to be an intricately woven character with daedal interests; he's pure. Innocent; and that's it. And the best part of his character lies in the fact that he can see people for more than what they are on the surface, because he knows what it feels like to be judged. I truly believe that back in Part 1, that was shown the best. Neji, Gaara, Tsunade, Jiraiya, all these people were judged at some point by society or even the Gods themselves, and yet Naruto was able to see them differently. That's what makes him a good character.
"There are no shortcuts to becoming Hokage," is what he says in that scan you posted. Subsequently you posted multiple scans of him gaining 'free power-ups' related to the Kyuubi.
...Is having to live under discrimination with a Beast in your stomach for twelve years not a suitable price for gaining a large amount of power? How about having to leave your life on the line countless times for a person that seems not to care about you? Naruto has worked hard for his abilities, don't even try to deny that. As previously said, he had to live twelve years before people finally began to look at him differently, and he was pleading with them the whole time.
Because of the fanboyism. They were even making posts saying that Sasuke was stronger than Madara, when Naruto and Sasuke needed each other to land a hit on Madara.
Perhaps they're mad than Madz is stronger than the two main characters and want to make up excuses trying to prove the opposite.
You're misinterpreting what Naruto said. He didn't mean shortcut to powerups, he meant shortcuts to becoming Hokage and finding peace, which has nothing to do gaining power.
Obito wanted the easy way out and create an illusionary world, which was the easy way, instead of facing reality and find an answer there.
I don't blame you for misinterpreting, because a lot of people are stupid. That's how the world works.
Note: I am neither racist nor making racist comments or slurs. I understand the rules and regulations perfectly and hope that others will understand.
IMO, it doesnt matter if Naruto is stronger than Sasuke or Sasuke is stronger than Naruto
To me, its meaningless
If u guys really want to make a comparison between Naruto and Sasuke, compare how their characters are written
Just cause ur strong doesnt make u a good written character
Honestly, Naruto could be a million times stronger than Sasuke, it does not make him a better written character
For the most part, Lord Sasuke is written beautifully compared to Naruto
Naruto is nothing more than a walking contradiction who makes annoying speeches that are hypocritical to what Kishi is portraying him to be
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He says he doesnt take shortcuts, yet
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Naruto is the reincarnation of a god and is prophesied as the chosen one, yet Naruto states he worked hard and doesnt take shortcuts (really)
On the other hand, Sasuke is written better than Naruto. Yes, Sasuke is also the reincarnation of a god, but Kishi did not contradict his character. Sasuke's character has never been ruined. Kishi has always stayed consistent with Sasuke's character
Sasuke is an avenger
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Always has been, always will be
It doesnt matter how he acquires his powerups because he will do whatever it takes to get them
Whether that be with Oro or being a reincarnation of a god
What Sasuke wants, Sasuke gets
PS: I'm not trying to bash Naruto's character. That is not my intention. This is just my opnion of Naruto's character. I'm just merely pointing out that comparing power levels is meaningless because being strong does not equal a good written character.
I believe you're missing the entire point of the series, and Naruto's character as a whole. I found a simply excellent thread by numbers a few weeks back, and I'll quote it here.
'Empathy is what makes Naruto a good character.'
He's not designed to be an intricately woven character with daedal interests; he's pure. Innocent; and that's it. And the best part of his character lies in the fact that he can see people for more than what they are on the surface, because he knows what it feels like to be judged. I truly believe that back in Part 1, that was shown the best. Neji, Gaara, Tsunade, Jiraiya, all these people were judged at some point by society or even the Gods themselves, and yet Naruto was able to see them differently. That's what makes him a good character.
"There are no shortcuts to becoming Hokage," is what he says in that scan you posted. Subsequently you posted multiple scans of him gaining 'free power-ups' related to the Kyuubi.
...Is having to live under discrimination with a Beast in your stomach for twelve years not a suitable price for gaining a large amount of power? How about having to leave your life on the line countless times for a person that seems not to care about you? Naruto has worked hard for his abilities, don't even try to deny that. As previously said, he had to live twelve years before people finally began to look at him differently, and he was pleading with them the whole time.
i dont think nobody is denying that he worked hard for his powers... its just that in reality he didnt earn them all.
SM he earned yes
KCM mabye but BM no
Kushina had to save naruto in his battle for 50%kurma power. that cannot be deny.
She argubly gave naruto those abilites, as we all saw how much trouble he was in before she save him.
everything else i agree with, but my main arugement is that sasuke is superior in skills and in every ascept except bring everybody together, so to speak
now you can label me a troll or whatever, but this is my opinion interpreted by manga facts
The guy just piss me off every time I read his threads.
I get what your saying. Your saying that there is no way Naruto's way would bring peace to the world because that wouldn't happen in real life. Well, how does that world equal to our world?
If you haven't noticed, each and everyone one of the shinobi wants peace in their world, but it was the leaders' fault that things turned out this way. Before the 5 kage fought Madara, they said that they too wanted to get rid of the hatred in the world, which means they follow Naruto's way. The only people that stood In their way was Obito and Madara who tried to force them into the genjutsu world.
Akatsuki would've made an alliance with Hanzo's group in the past if it wasn't for Danzo.
The stone village would've allied with the leaf if it wasn't for madara. Each time it's people like Madara, Obito, Sasuke and Danzo that stood in people's way of making peace through cooperation, which is Naruto's way. There is nothing wrong with that belief, it's some that want to use force like Madara and Danzo that messes things up. They cause unneccessary conflict.
EMS Sasuke wasn't that strong compared to BSM Naruto, let alone Madara and Hashirama, and look at him now. You're calling Naruto's power-up an asspull? I'd like an explanation on Sasuke's power-up, then. He's currently one of the strongest ninja (excluding Madara, who is currently the strongest), perhaps in the same level as Naruto, when he couldn't even come close to Naruto when he had his EMS.
The guy just piss me off every time I read his threads.
I get what your saying. Your saying that there is no way Naruto's way would bring peace to the world because that wouldn't happen in real life. Well, how does that world equal to our world?
If you haven't noticed, each and everyone one of the shinobi wants peace in their world, but it was the leaders' fault that things turned out this way. Before the 5 kage fought Madara, they said that they too wanted to get rid of the hatred in the world, which means they follow Naruto's way. The only people that stood In their way was Obito and Madara who tried to force them into the genjutsu world.
Akatsuki would've made an alliance with Hanzo's group in the past if it wasn't for Danzo.
The stone village would've allied with the leaf if it wasn't for madara. Each time it's people like Madara, Obito, Sasuke and Danzo that stood in people's way of making peace through cooperation, which is Naruto's way. There is nothing wrong with that belief, it's some that want to use force like Madara and Danzo that messes things up. They cause unneccessary conflict.
You must not have read my post. What I've pointed out was that everyone wants peace and Naruto's way was something a lot of people wanted to do, but there was always a bastard that got in the way. The same bastard that's trying to force everyone into a genjutsu.
He says that his way is the only way, but he didn't even try to do things Hashirama's way. He even went as far as to stop other villages from allying with the leaf village.
You have no idea that Naruto's way wouldn't work. Every time people tried to find peace through cooperation, someone always caused unneccessary conflict. Those people are Indra, Madara, Danzo and I can guess Sasuke in the future. If it wasn't for them, the world would've been better a long time ago.
