[Theory] Uzumaki: The Jashinist clan?!
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Enjoyable theory. I also agree that Jashin wasn't mentioned w/o a cause though I can't get over the idea that deluded cultist shared a village with a clan who represents friendship.
Kishi seriously needs to elaborate Uzumakis and Hyuugas its about damn time too (btw I also share an opinion that Hyuugas and Uzumakis derived from Hagz brother).
About offensive usage of fuuinjutsu, Hyuuga use a form of fuuinjutsu sealing off chakra points etc.
Damn I went offtopic XD
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Kishi seriously needs to elaborate Uzumakis and Hyuugas its about damn time too (btw I also share an opinion that Hyuugas and Uzumakis derived from Hagz brother).
About offensive usage of fuuinjutsu, Hyuuga use a form of fuuinjutsu sealing off chakra points etc.
Damn I went offtopic XD
+rep for this flow of thoughts! :hooray:
I do give you credit for putting time and effort into this theory. Although I do think the Uzumaki linkage with Jashin is a bit far fetched, I am also interested to here more about the technique Hidan was using. I read about it a couple of weeks ago on Naruto wiki, but Kishi had never really specified its origin or anything. The technique itself is definitely not ordinary, so it must have some sort of importance.
i like the idea that the non immortals used rds to seal away the immortals and thats how they dissapeared. cool ideas
what about tnat symbol of the triangle in the circle? i feel that would be important. i remember theres a circle type pattern above the mazou in the cave but its different.
here its kinda hard to see but its a circle too.
what about tnat symbol of the triangle in the circle? i feel that would be important. i remember theres a circle type pattern above the mazou in the cave but its different.
here its kinda hard to see but its a circle too.
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Yes we do, Kaguya eyes are the eyes of the Hyuga and Uzumaki are the only one that can be Kurama host plus Uzumaki are distant cousin to the Senju. And the only connection in the Manga is Kaguya and two twin Brothers.
Lol if you just think that a god that grants immortality will just go away liek that then you're completely wrong. People also thought that spiral was also long gone but they were mistaken.
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Very interesting. I never considered anything like this. It would make sense if Hidan's ritual indeed involves some form of sealing jutsu to be able to have the vodoo-like effect on his opponent after he obtains their blood.
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To quote:
"In Shinto cosmology, the square stands for the Sun God Amaterasu, the circle for the Moon God Tsukuyomi no Mikoto, and the triangle for the God of the Stars, Susanoo-no-Mikoto."
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"The Sun (Amaterasu, represented by the square), symbolizes our inner light, and rules the day, the state of Divine Presence. When presence is absent, the moon gives light, and rules the night, the state of sleep , in which man spends most of his days. The moon (Tsukuyomi no Mikoto, represented by the circle) symbolizes our ruling faculty or the mind, which Gurdjieff called the steward. It tries to bring us back to the state of presence. Gurdjieff spoke about creating moon in oneself, which means creating a steward, or a faculty in oneself that keeps reminding one to not sleep, but to be present."
This would 'explain' why Susano'o is able to counter Tsukuyomi. Also of interest is that the symbol on Naruto's hand is that of the full moon.
Anyway - I'm not quite sure what to make of Jashinism. While it is possible that Jashinism is related to the Sage's brother (and I suspect that Jashinism will return to play a role, one way or another)... I doubt it has much to do with the Uzumaki.
The Uzumaki were, most likely, the original tenants of the God Tree. The inspiration for the Uzumaki likely came from a particular island chain known as the Izu islands, where an ancient tree-worshiping religion existed. Even without tree worshiping per se - Japanese mythology speaks of the Kodama - a tree spirit, of sorts, that is often vengeful toward anyone who takes of its produce.
The Uzumaki, from what little we have seen of their traditions, would appear to resemble the more shamanistic practices involving chants, rituals, sacred objects, etc. While Jashinism certainly has some rituals behind it... I suspect it and the Uzumaki are not the same.
Perhaps at best, Jashinism would be an off-shoot of Uzumaki who went from worshiping trees to worshiping Jashin.
It's an interesting idea, though.
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Did you know that Madara's hair turned red after absorbing the Tree/Kaguya?
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Sadly, my friend, all proof in manga points towards the possibility of Uzumaki/Hyuuga coming from Hagoromo's brother.
a) Hagoromo only got two descendant who gave birth to only two clans: The Uchiha, The Senju
b) The origin of Byakugan, which was not inherited by Hagoromo's branches, came from Kaguya Ootsutsuki.
c) The origin of Red Hair, which was not inherited by Hagoromo's branches, came from Kaguya Ootsutsuki.
d) The Hyuuga are the only ones who are naturally born with Byakugan.
e) The Uzumaki were the only clan in the world known for their characteristic trademark: Red hair.
a AND b AND d => true
a AND c AND e => true
By simple logic, the source of Uzumaki/Hyuuga Clan relies in Hagoromo's brother branches.
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Yes and it was clearly stated in the Manga that Ashura and Indra's descendants were the Senjus and Uchihas only:
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Henceforth, confirming your theory of the Ootsutsuki Tribe giving birth to the branch of the Uzumaki. Your prediction was accurate enough.
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Kaguya = A
Kaguya => Byakugan, Red Hair (Vitality), Sharingan, Strength
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Hagoromo = B
Hagoromo's brother = !B
Kaguya = A = B + !B
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Senju = C => Strength
Uchiha = !C => Sharingan
Hagoromo = B = C + !C
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Hagoromo's Brother = !B = D + !D = Byakugan + Red Hair (Vitality)
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Finally, the equation is as follows:
A = Kaguya => Byakugan, Red Hair (Vitality), Sharingan, Strength <=> Hyuuga, Uzumaki, Uchiha, Senju = D + !D + C + !C = !B + B = Hagoromo + Hagoromo's brother.
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Hence,
D = Hyuuga
!D = Uzumaki
Everything fits beautifully.
(unless people know about someone with red hair -and extreme vitality- that is not uzumaki, and someone that is not hyuuga and was naturally born with byakugan).
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Assuming that all of the pieces on the field come from Kaguya.
Allow me to posit that the Ototsuki are space aliens ("Saiyans"). They have the Byakugan and have honed the ability to use their body's chakra.
So, one of them happens to crash land, or something, onto the planet. Perhaps she's some refugee from a celestial war, perhaps she's an escaped convict - either way, it becomes apparent that she's quite the martial bad-ass compared to your mk1 human. But there's just so much fighting going on, and if she only had more power.
Well, a little bird tells her that there's this 'god tree' thing. Perhaps she should go check it out - gods have power, and humans have used trees for a long damned time to get what they want. The logic doesn't have to be reduced to a truth table.
When Kaguya-Hime arrives on the island, she's greeted, perhaps with some hostility, by the tree's tenants. Apparently, they've been dabbling with chakra usage in some relatively creative ways - rituals, chants, objects and symbols that react to chakra and produce a wide range of effects (though most seem to be concerned with sealing chakra away... probably because they are tending a tree that gets pissed when they so much as take a leaf the wrong way).
So, Kaguya eats the fruit and rapes one of the shamans (or perhaps it was voluntary on his part - though I suspect a being of her power could make it quite involuntary). Normal people have children because they are tired of mowing the lawn. Dictators have kids because they are tired of mowing the peasants, and by Golly, Kaguya was getting tired of that chore.
Anyway - that pretty much sums up our lineages. The Sage's brother is a free floating factor that can't be accounted for until more is known about his existence. We could postulate that the Uzumaki and Hyuuga descend from the Sage's brother - but it is just as (if not more) plausible that the Uzumaki and Hyuuga draw their lineages from outside of Kaguya and The Sage.
The Uzumaki were known for sealing jutsu that differed substantially from scrolls and symbols. The Hyuuga have yet to be depicted utilizing a ninjutsu. Even a simple clone or substitution jutsu that would be vital for closing the distance and/or evading and overpowering attack are not incorporated into their fighting style in the slightest.
I would make the argument that the Hyuuga did not receive chakra from the Sage, and cannot (or will not) use it for the purposes of ninjutsu.
Perhaps the Sage's brother was the real Sage; not lingering beyond his time, not tampering in worldly affairs, leaving little trace of his existence, etc.... basically - everything the heretic Hagoromo is not.
Of course - that's also operating off of literally no information other than: "The Sage of Six Paths had a brother." Which is about all we know of him.
Man, I really liked your post. You're opening possibilities, and Kishimoto might be pointing towards that place.
Now, there is a thing that I should clearify, since these things are manga fact:
First of all, there are a lot of chapters that could do tricks and decieve our minds, specially those who bought us this Hagoromo's brother into the equation, i.e. Kaguya only had two sons:
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But, when you know some things, well, variables are clear.
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...and that's all.
Ergo, Hagoromo is the Sage of Six Paths, and he got only two descendents who created the Uchiha and Senju. Also, none of these childs inherited Red Hair nor Byakugan, so these characteristics should have been inherited by Hagoromo's brother and his own succesors (these characteristics can't dissappear, the whole Narutoverse is based in the concept of Yin and Yang, forcefully thinking that these patterns magically dissappear would destroy all the way Narutoverse works).
Also: Uzumaki and Hyuuga clans actually know ninjutsu. You need to search in order to decypher that one.
Plus, bringing someone else from the Ootsutsuki Tribe into account aside of Kaguya would not be plotwise.
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