Minato would be nothing without Tobirama

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Who designed the core foundation of FTG? Tobirama. What did Minato do? He added the tag to Kunai - something Tobirama's done with weapons since he killed Izuna. Aside from that? Seals, thanks to Kushina. Arguably she added more to the Jutsu than Minato ever did.

Kage Bushin, Vibration sensing, etc, all came from Tobirama himself. Minato took away one finger, so that means he completely revolutionised the Jutsu and created a new technique?

Lol, no...

What has Minato created?

The Rasengan, and even then the inspiration came from the Bijuu Dama, and even then Minato never completed it, for various reasons, like his death. Tobirama has:

1. Created a Jutsu that surpasses Time and space.
2. Created a Jutsu that surpasses life and death.
3. Created a Jutsu that quite literally allows a person to gather hundreds of years worth of experience in weeks.
4. Created a Jutsu that manipulates one's soul.

That doesn't even count the Jutsu that we haven't seen, or the ones that aren't confirmed to have been created by him, like his Suiton.

And what stopped him from making more? Death. Arguably he could've kept on going.

Tobirama does the sums, Minato adds in the units of measurement.

But I digress, Minato's whole arsenal aside from the Rasengan came from Summons, Kushina, or Tobirama.

So I can't understand this insecure fanboy nature that's risen since even before the regs were opened; every Tobirama thread I see turns into some battlefield of how Minato is better or how Minato beats Tobirama. Like Tobirama the fictional character drawing owes Minato, the fictional character drawing something.

I'm willing to forgive and try to ignore the borderline psychotic outlandish claims I've heard these fans make, like how Minato was going easy on Obito by not using sage mode, when he thought he was Madara, or how Minato having his two second sage mode means he has higher reserves than Madara and Tobirama - who didn't learn Sage mode. Or my favourite, the fact that Hashirama, Sasuke and Tobirama were defeated by Madara before he was a Jinchuriki and that Minato only lost an arm (which somehow doesn't class as defeat.) means that Minato is stronger than Hashirama and Tobirama.

Now these remarks excluded, I don't get why these people are so uptight about Tobirama one second, and then when he shows off a feat they try to connect that to Minato somehow, like they glorify Minato riding on Tobirama's coattail.

Some pretty cancerous stuff overall, the damage control might claim I'm jus a butthurted h8uurrrrrrrr, but really, I'm just saying it how it is. Minato's whole relevance is due to one man, and these fapboys chose to target that one man above all else.

Though thankfully the older members aside from one or two aren't bad at all, quite the opposite really.
 
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What was the point of this thread? To praise Tobirama? Or to bash Minato? Seriously...you sound mad XD
 

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I completely agree with you 100% +Rep, thanks for the post! At least someone gets what's going on...
 

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You can say that about anyone. Naruto would be nothing without Jiraiya.. Sasuke would be nothing without Orochimaru.

It's kind of pointless.
 

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You got some truth to what you say. People can get pretty upset about the idea of one character contributing to the success of another. Not just with Minato and Tobirama but anyone. But for people to say Minato > Hashirama and Tobirama cause the latter lost to pre Juubi jin Madara is ridiculous, the guy was an animal in all stages. Don't listen to comments like those, brush those fanboys/haters off homie.

People would always rather hear about their fav over someone else. Minato and Tobirama have FTG so they get compared a lot, a lot more than necessary if you ask me. I've always preferred Minato over Tobirama though I like them both a lot, they differ in many ways when you think about it. To make an unnecessary remark about Minato in a Tobirama thread only shows foolishness and jealousy. I hope people read your thread and realize you're not bashing here, just making a point that no one else wants to make.
 
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I suppose if I wanted an intelligent discussion I'd be disappointed...

And then KS arrived on my thread.
 
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You base this off of what? How the story has progressed up until now? That's the way Kishi wanted it to be.

It's all circumstantial. If Minato didn't get access to FTG he would've most likely progressed in a different way.

I actually enjoy the similarities and dynamic between Minato and Tobirama as a Minato fan.
 
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You base this off of what? How the story has progressed up until now? That's the way Kishi wanted it to be.

It's all circumstantial. If Minato didn't get access to FTG he would've most likely progressed in a different way.

I'm basing this off his fanbase. Minato is Tobirama V2, that much is obvious, I couldn't care about what Jutsu Minato uses, it's simply the fact that Minato fans are rejecting his origin of power, which mostly came from Tobirama.

I don't even hate Minato, I actually quite like him.

You're gonna read my post and you're gonna like it dammit. Geez, bread slicers these days ;)

I did. 10/10, would bang.
 

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I agree, but Minato still shits on Tobirama in a battle.
 

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Everyone had to learn their jutsus from something so please shut up

If it wasn't for Minato Naruto wouldn't have his signature move or the Kurama (oh and Kurama would've killed him)
 

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There isn't much to add on to what you wrote but I'll try my best. Tobirama is one the greatest engineers of the NV. Minato is a genius as well but derived his techniques from somewhere else. Minato is not better than Tobirama or vice versa imo. I just hate how cocky Minato fans can be just because he's faster as if it's impossible to defeat him. tobirama has alot more in his arsenal besides speed but Minato fans don't see much past ftg/rasengan.
 

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You can say that about anyone. Naruto would be nothing without Jiraiya.. Sasuke would be nothing without Orochimaru.

It's kind of pointless.

No naruto would be nothing without the second hokage just like his dad. Without shadow clones another invention of the second naruto would be able to learn anything that he uses now
 
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Dude, you just sound butthurt. That's it.

Ranting about how Minato is weaker (or any other character) just shows your immaturity. Like you yourself said, they are just fictional characters. So, no need of getting so emotional.

Everyone had to learn their jutsus from something so please shut up

If it wasn't for Minato Naruto wouldn't have his signature move or the Kurama (oh and Kurama would've killed him)

Why do my threads always attract members with low intelligence?
 
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There isn't much to add on to what you wrote but I'll try my best. Tobirama is one the greatest engineers of the NV. Minato is a genius as well but derived his techniques from somewhere else. Minato is not better than Tobirama or vice versa imo. I just hate how cocky Minato fans can be just because he's faster as if it's impossible to defeat him. tobirama has alot more in his arsenal besides speed but Minato fans don't see much past ftg/rasengan.

You're right, minato fans only see rasengan and FTG, they don't see that he's an expert at sealing jutsu, can summon a variety of powerful toads or that he's a sage. (Sarcasm)
 
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It's good that I've successfully attracted the whole cancer to my thread now. Notice that they aren't taking a word of what I say into consideration.
 

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I'm basing this off his fanbase. Minato is Tobirama V2, that much is obvious, I couldn't care about what Jutsu Minato uses, it's simply the fact that Minato fans are rejecting his origin of power, which mostly came from Tobirama.

I don't even hate Minato, I actually quite like him.

I guess I misunderstood the purpose of this thread, I apologize.

If that's the case then I agree.

Tobirama does the sums, Minato adds in the units of measurement.

This is a perfect way of putting it. Minato could've arguably invented a few more techniques himself if not for his untimely death, though. His databook entry did state that he invented ''one jutsu after another.'' But hey, it's the databook.

But as far as the story goes you are correct. Some of his power does originate from Tobirama.
 

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Why do my threads always attract members with low intelligence?



I wuv you!

Won't take this personal. But if you don't love to respect others' opinion, you'll just be labelled a hater
 

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you are absolutely right fanboys should stop stealing lol
 
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