Sasuke's way is better than Naruto's way

[Xlad]

This trend has been going on for more than 80 years now. Naruto is only repeating the same old failed cycle. Wanting peace and getting rid of hatred. Communication and getting rid of violence. The only reason why Naruto's wish will happen is because this is a Shounen and also because this manga is named after him, but even if his peace comes true it does not mean that violence or hatred will go away. Again, naruto is not changing anything. he is just adding on to years of failure. Sasuke is trying to change the cycle so that history will not repeat.

You mad? Lol

Part: I am pretty sure Hashirama and Madara's solution was to create a village that would provide an extension of peace. Naruto is on a different route since he is more focused on the world itself rather than just the village. If fact, because of this

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I would guarantee that Naruto won't be another failure. Power will not be the only thing he would surpassed them in, but also actions as well.
Bold: What relevance does that have really? It's almost no different than the reason why Naruto wouldn't die.
I can't disagree with hatred/violence disappearing permanently.
Part 2: How are we suppose to know any of that will happen? Especially when it comes to how much has changed when Tsunade became hokage.

 

[Hori]

Naruto's ideals never change he's been dead end to his ideals while Sasuke's have changed many times.. that my friend is not a good leader

 

[Anorien16]

yea some will of fire it burned out lol.

Everything fades with time, especially the good things .....

Oh really? You think he still wants to kill people?

He exactly hasnt shown much empathy for others and their suffering.

We don't know what he plans to do coz it's not revealed to us. All we know is he wants to change the system and succeed where the others failed. One would be insane to try the same thing again after failing.

Which puts him up with the same level as Naruto. Expect Naruto has a greater following and is actually kinda adored.

You are talking about ms sasuke again, when he was at his darkest. Somehow you think it's the same sasuke.

Sasuke is shown to be a very changeable person .... He changed his personality a dozens of times and thus can change again .... power corrupts.

Lol you just have to find out. The reader doesn't know yet, and you're assuming it can't happen.

What if I say given that Sasuke actually changed his mind few hours ago, right b4 a World Crisis level battle ... Sasuke has no idea other than a half baked desire to change. Not to mention he has not even considered the implications of Shinobi alliance and has a great disregard for opinion of others.

Sasuke makes a great millitary leader but can not be trusted with welfare of the people and policy making.

 

[lucario14]

What if I say given that Sasuke actually changed his mind few hours ago, right b4 a World Crisis level battle ... Sasuke has no idea other than a half baked desire to change. Not to mention he has not even considered the implications of Shinobi alliance and has a great disregard for opinion of others.

Sasuke makes a great millitary leader but can not be trusted with welfare of the people and policy making.

I wouldn't say half baked

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You show who you really are before you die after all. I would assume his actions in the war would cause a change in opinion from the SA of him. It's not like everyone distrusts him

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People respect him and follow him. He would make an excellent hokage with naruto of course

 

[King Of Pop]

Yea burn everything to the ground is a much better way of handling coflicts. Got a tootache? Burn it down. Dispute over land? Burn everything.
Have you ever considered the possibility that it's because close minded people like you(no offense intended) view communication, forgiveness and sacrifice i.e Naruto's way as unrealistic is the reason why the real word is as shitty as it is.
Naruto's way might be unrealistic but atleast it will bring true peace if everyone follows it. Sasuke's way on the other hand will bring nothing but chaos.

key words IF everyone follows it. people must always differ which is why his is unrealistic and foolish imo.

OT. i agree naruto is very childish guy with lame bs fairytail speeches but people feel his way is the right way because he tries to connect with people and cooperate and bla bla. its chidish but opinions differ on the subject. i agree with the sasuke part just my opinion tho.

 

[Anorien16]

this is why I call you stupid. did I say everyone was crying that didn't agree with me? No. I'm only talking about the people getting asshurt, such as you, so they resort to their little immature games of calling me a fanboy because they don't like my thread. The people who don't agree with my thread, but still give their opinion, without acting like a crybaby and calling me a fanboy are the ones tat I can tolerate. You are just a little b*tch boy who rides Naruto's **** and comes to his rescue everytime he is called out. How pathetic.

This is also why I call Naruto fans desperate and pathetic. They want us to agree with everything that Naruto does and says while act like Sasuke doesn't have true goals for helping the world.

This is a forum u know .... people can actually see for what you are you know?

I wouldn't say half baked

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You show who you really are before you die after all. I would assume his actions in the war would cause a change in opinion from the SA of him. It's not like everyone distrusts him

Well not enough to inspire the way a actual leader should .... Emotionally detached leaders never turned out to be good for people. But as I said .... Sasuke will be great for security department, IF someone mellows him down.

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People respect him and follow him. He would make an excellent hokage with naruto of course

The picture actually shows how detached Sasuke can be .... but also shows how great Sasuke's action can be if he has the right people beside him. So more or less I agree.

 

[KisuneUchiha]

Okey lets apply the both this Debate ...

Sasuke way: All who disagree is silenced by force and not allowed to share their opinion .... even if it shared it is ignored. If someone get uppity he/she is removed.

Naruto Way: People are allowed to talk and share opinions, people are persuaded to change their opinion .... People are only removed or silenced if they stubbornly threaten the stability or the peace of the debate.

Now use your brain and think which would work?

You are using your own bias to make up what kind of system Sasuke wants....
It would obviously be something different than that...
On top of that, you only stated the negatives to Sasuke system, and then only stated the positives to Naruto system, completely leaving out the negatives

 

[Byakusharinnegan]

So let's analyse. Sasuke's way is essentially survival of the fittest. Those that aren't strong enough to compete get completely thrown out. He's mentally unstable, unreliable, he didn't even hesitate to kill Orochimaru, backstab Karin, later revive Orochimaru, and still had the audacity to claim that he doesn't care what anybody else thinks.

I hate when people try to depict Naruto in an overly realistic fashion. Seriously, grow up. Or even better, stop trying to portray this manga in a worldly fashion. It's a fictional manga. Obviously peace doesn't work this way in the real world (and even to some extent it does, but that's beyond the point). Stop trying to depict it in a worldly fashion, as said, and just enjoy it.

 

[Anorien16]

You are using your own bias to make up what kind of system Sasuke wants....
It would obviously be something different than that...
On top of that, you only stated the negatives to Sasuke system, and then only stated the positives to Naruto system, completely leaving out the negatives

Didnt you just conform to my so called bias or actually agree to that I am right in what I consider Sasuke's way (Which is a assumption based on his past behavior) when u stated that I listed only the negatives? LoL.

Also I merely sated how the result the systems wld be like didnt, highlight anything (one totalitarian and one where a certain range of freedom would exists) .... but anyway enlighten me of the positives of Sasuke's and negetives of Naruto's way. I wld be waiting.

 

[take it easy]

both ways are pretty lame

 

[Champ]

I agree, Fuhrer

 

[A e r o]

Tbh seeking revenge isn't change. Sasuke ways may be releastic but it will still lead to more bloodshed. Naruto way may be a pipe dream but it is worthwhile pipe dream.

 

[lucario14]

So let's analyse. Sasuke's way is essentially survival of the fittest. Those that aren't strong enough to compete get completely thrown out. He's mentally unstable, unreliable, he didn't even hesitate to kill Orochimaru, backstab Karin, later revive Orochimaru, and still had the audacity to claim that he doesn't care what anybody else thinks.

deosn't care what K11 think? Why should he? they wanted to kill him, they had a personal grudge against him. @bold you can't be serious. This is the dumbest thing ever, he was an enemy and wanted sasuke's body. He really wanted to stab danzo and karin got taken hostage. Sasuke simply took the easiest option albeit it was when he was at his most darkest.

I hate when people try to depict Naruto in an overly realistic fashion. Seriously, grow up. Or even better, stop trying to portray this manga in a worldly fashion. It's a fictional manga. Obviously peace doesn't work this way in the real world (and even to some extent it does, but that's beyond the point). Stop trying to depict it in a worldly fashion, as said, and just enjoy it.

You mean overly idealistic right? @bold so you admit sasuke is more realistic and fit for a "worldly fashion". Why should it be surprising to you that some people prefer sasuke's intentions. We are enjoying it a lot more since this page caused much butthurt among the naruto fandom.

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Also there is no counter for choosing ashura over indra point is there---> Initiate cycle of hatred+war

 

[Jimihendrix]

Naruto actually brings hope to their world. Sasuke...well he's a debbie downer. And no one likes a debbie downer

 

[Mad Daz]

This thread has gotten pretty.... prettty.. prettty bad.

 

[Anorien16]

Also there is no counter for choosing ashura over indra point is there---> Initiate cycle of hatred+war

So people cant express their opinion just because someone who will get butthurt? You know Indra is the true villain of NV, he just couldnt deal with not being second and that ... that butthurt saw centuries of meaningless blood shed.

 

[To Whatever]

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Oh look, Fuhrer is banned again for spouting bs...

I already explained to the OP in excessive detail on how Naruto is and why his ideal is better.​