Abortion Question.

[Scooby Doo]

I don't know if you've ever been in love or not, but things aren't as black and white as you make them out to be. Emotions run high and sometimes it's impossible to stop yourself from having ***. How old are you exactly, I think you've got a lot to learn about the real world and adult relationships.

Yeah I've been in love and as I already told you, I'm 23. And it's you who's trying to force a child on a girl, so maybe you should learn to get over your emotions and think about the girl.

 

[Maid]

I don't know if you've ever been in love or not, but things aren't as black and white as you make them out to be. Emotions run high and sometimes it's impossible to stop yourself from having ***. How old are you exactly, I think you've got a lot to learn about the real world and adult relationships.

Real world ? Adult relation ships ? Isn't being an adult supposed to mean to take your hormones under control and engage in that sort of activity in the right place and the right time? No offense but you seem like some uncontrollable 13 yr old boy who just hit puberty.

 

[Disquiet]

OT is a question of morality, which is ambiguous, and have no set answer. It will always depend on a person's perspective and experiences.

I agree with this.

For example, a lot of anti-abortionist would agree to abort the baby if there's complications and the mother is pretty much guaranteed to die as a result; her life or the unborn baby's.

However, let's say, that the mother and her 10 year old child was in a life or death situation, and the mother chose herself over the 10 year old, the amount of hate she will most likely receive would be so astronomical as to make her wish for death, I guess making her choice to live that day meaningless. That's a hyperbolic, statement, maybe.

You may have some defending her, on the grounds that she wasn't in her right mind; overtaken by fright.

Still, this mentality is an implicit admission that the unborn baby is less significant than an a already born human. There's no wiggle room to try and justify it, assuming that one believes the unborn baby should be aborted if it's pretty much certain that the mother will die yet at the same time would scold/hate a mother that puts her life before her 10 year old/however old child.

You believe the mother should have built a strong enough bond within that time to sacrifice her life for her child's?

That's not helping the argument. That's an admission that it's not unjust to throw away a life that one doesn't have any feelings for, let alone emotional pain in rape cases. It's a tacit admission that an unborn baby would be okay to sacrifice because the mother haven't had the experience of seeing the child grow. In the end, that would be an argument in favor of the abortionist.

You believe that the young should come first?

Then you should be against an abortion even if the mother's chances of living are zero.

You think the child's life is more important than the unborn baby?

Then you're making a hierarchy of life in your own mind, and is not even aware of it. You're closer to the abortionist than you seemingly believe.

You believe that it's not fair since the mother of the already born child has to choose within a very brief moment of time if it's her or child whereas the mother of the unborn has 9 months to do so?

It would still be missing the mark. You're in agreement that it's justified to abort the unborn child if the mother is certain to die from it. Even if the decision of the mother would have been different if given more time, it doesn't change the fact you would have berated her for choosing her life over her 10 year old's, yet still support the mother who aborted the child when her life was in great danger.

You believe the situation to be incomparable?

Read everything above. I just broke everything down to show why it's not about the scenario as much as it is about the inconsistencies in moralities/immoralities behind a mother choosing her life over her already born child/unborn child.


If you have a point to make on this scenario, would it be to 'win' the argument despite still feeling like you're unjustly choosing when your morality applies?

I'd ask you to be honest with yourself.

You would condone or believe that it's justifiable for the mother to sacrifice the 10 year old child to save her own life? So this scenario doesn't apply to you?

That's fine. Just think again when you try to berate someone for saying that they don't care about what cruel things happens to other people as long as it isn't happening to them, even if it's their own blood. I would have thought you'd weigh the actions of someone actually sacrificing their loved ones more than someone saying they will.

I'd also ask you why you're even trying to force the mother to carry the baby inside her if you have that mentality.

You would still look down on and berate a mother who aborted her baby despite being certain to die? So this scenario doesn't apply to you?

Then I question if you're really pro life.

....

Moving on, stress can cause severe problems for the baby:

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^You guys should really take a look at that.

I wonder how that would factor in for a pregnant woman that isn't even motivated to carry the baby and give birth.

There's this article too:

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I found these bits interesting:

"Personality traits that might account for some women being better able to handle stress include optimism, self-esteem, a feeling of control over one's life, emotional suppression or expression, and hostility, says Dr. Wadhwa."


"That's what makes health providers so reluctant to emphasize the connection between stress and pregnancy problems. They say a lot of the differences come down to women's personalities and how they cope with stress. Besides, who wants to lay even more guilt and anxiety on a woman who is already stressed?"

There's so many variables and factors to consider here, the woman may not even possess most of those personality traits. And I'd imagine that being forced to carry around the baby when you don't want it is one of the most stressful emotions she can experience. The baby may even have defects, increasing the possibility of him/her not even enjoying life. Not to mention the possibility of the baby dying is there, due to the stress she may feel from being forced to carry it.


All in all, I agree with you, it's all about morality, which can be ambiguous. In such a situation, I wouldn't force my morality and even desires on her, and I will try to spare her my ignorance (not know exactly how it feels to put up with all the pains, and carry a child around for 9 months).

Well, it really depends on the mother. The mother has to go through pregnancy not the father and that means she has to have a healthy diet and a healthy state of mind. That means no alcohol and no playing around ,ect. She would be very hormonal and under alot of pain like most pregnant woman and one tiny mistake could affect her babys health..you get the big picture. Secondly even is she gave birth to her child and found out that his/her mother didn't even wan't him/her to begin with.The child would be extremely traumatized witch could affect him through everyday life.


If the father wants a baby that much then he should find a suitable soulmate, who's equally able to love and care for his child as much as he does.

@Bold, this too.

 

[a banned cartoon]

I agree with this.

For example, a lot of anti-abortionist would agree to abort the baby if there's complications and the mother is pretty much guaranteed to die as a result; her life or the unborn baby's.

However, let's say, that the mother and her 10 year old child was in a life or death situation, and the mother chose herself over the 10 year old, the amount of hate she will most likely receive would be so astronomical as to make her wish for death, I guess making her choice to live that day meaningless. That's a hyperbolic, statement, maybe.

You may have some defending her, on the grounds that she wasn't in her right mind; overtaken by fright.

Still, this mentality is an implicit admission that the unborn baby is less significant than an a already born human. There's no wiggle room to try and justify it, assuming that one believes the unborn baby should be aborted if it's pretty much certain that the mother will die yet at the same time would scold/hate a mother that puts her life before her 10 year old/however old child.

You believe the mother should have built a strong enough bond within that time to sacrifice her life for her child's?

That's not helping the argument. That's an admission that it's not unjust to throw away a life that one doesn't have any feelings for, let alone emotional pain in rape cases. It's a tacit admission that an unborn baby would be okay to sacrifice because the mother haven't had the experience of seeing the child grow. In the end, that would be an argument in favor of the abortionist.

You believe that the young should come first?

Then you should be against an abortion even if the mother's chances of living are zero.

You think the child's life is more important than the unborn baby?

Then you're making a hierarchy of life in your own mind, and is not even aware of it. You're closer to the abortionist than you seemingly believe.

You believe that it's not fair since the mother of the already born child has to choose within a very brief moment of time if it's her or child whereas the mother of the unborn has 9 months to do so?

It would still be missing the mark. You're in agreement that it's justified to abort the unborn child if the mother is certain to die from it. Even if the decision of the mother would have been different if given more time, it doesn't change the fact you would have berated her for choosing her life over her 10 year old's, yet still support the mother who aborted the child when her life was in great danger.

You would condone or believe that it's justifiable for the mother to sacrifice the child to save her own life?

That's fine. Just think again when you try to berate someone for saying that they don't care about what cruel things happens to other people as long as it isn't happening to them, even if it's their own blood.

I'd also ask you why you're even trying to force the mother to carry the baby inside her if you have that mentality.

You believe the situation to be incomparable?

Read everything above. I just broke everything down to show why it's not about the scenario as much as it is about the justifications behind a mother choosing her life over her conceived child/unborn child.


If you have a point to make on this scenario, would it be to 'win' the argument despite still feeling like you're unjustly choosing when your morality applies?

I'd ask you to be honest with yourself.


You would still look down on and berate a mother who aborted her baby despite being certain to die? So this scenario doesn't apply to you?

Then I question if you're really pro life.

....

Moving on, stress can cause severe problems for the baby:

You must be registered for see links

^You guys should really take a look at that.

I wonder how that would factor in for a pregnant woman that isn't even motivated to carry the baby and give birth.

There's this article to:

You must be registered for see links

I found this bit interesting:

"Personality traits that might account for some women being better able to handle stress include optimism, self-esteem, a feeling of control over one's life, emotional suppression or expression, and hostility, says Dr. Wadhwa."


"That's what makes health providers so reluctant to emphasize the connection between stress and pregnancy problems. They say a lot of the differences come down to women's personalities and how they cope with stress. Besides, who wants to lay even more guilt and anxiety on a woman who is already stressed?"

There's so many variables and factors to consider here, the woman may not even possess most of those personality traits. And I'd imagine that being forced to carry around the baby when you don't want it is one of the most stressful emotions she can experience. The baby may even have defects, increasing the possibility of him/her not even enjoying life.


All in all, I agree with you, it's all about morality, which can be ambiguous. In such a situation, I wouldn't force my morality and even desires on her, and I will try to spare her my ignorance (not know exactly how it feels to put up with all the pains, and carry a child around for 9 months).







@Bold, this too.

I agree with this.

For example, a lot of anti-abortionist would agree to abort the baby if there's complications and the mother is pretty much guaranteed to die as a result; her life or the unborn baby's.

However, let's say, that the mother and her 10 year old child was in a life or death situation, and the mother chose herself over the 10 year old, the amount of hate she will most likely receive would be so astronomical as to make her wish for death, I guess making her choice to live that day meaningless. That's a hyperbolic, statement, maybe.

You may have some defending her, on the grounds that she wasn't in her right mind; overtaken by fright.

Still, this mentality is an implicit admission that the unborn baby is less significant than an a already born human. There's no wiggle room to try and justify it, assuming that one believes the unborn baby should be aborted if it's pretty much certain that the mother will die yet at the same time would scold/hate a mother that puts her life before her 10 year old/however old child.

You believe the mother should have built a strong enough bond within that time to sacrifice her life for her child's?

That's not helping the argument. That's an admission that it's not unjust to throw away a life that one doesn't have any feelings for, let alone emotional pain in rape cases. It's a tacit admission that an unborn baby would be okay to sacrifice because the mother haven't had the experience of seeing the child grow. In the end, that would be an argument in favor of the abortionist.

You believe that the young should come first?

Then you should be against an abortion even if the mother's chances of living are zero.

You think the child's life is more important than the unborn baby?

Then you're making a hierarchy of life in your own mind, and is not even aware of it. You're closer to the abortionist than you seemingly believe.

You believe that it's not fair since the mother of the already born child has to choose within a very brief moment of time if it's her or child whereas the mother of the unborn has 9 months to do so?

It would still be missing the mark. You're in agreement that it's justified to abort the unborn child if the mother is certain to die from it. Even if the decision of the mother would have been different if given more time, it doesn't change the fact you would have berated her for choosing her life over her 10 year old's, yet still support the mother who aborted the child when her life was in great danger.

You believe the situation to be incomparable?

Read everything above. I just broke everything down to show why it's not about the scenario as much as it is about the justifications behind a mother choosing her life over her conceived child/unborn child.


If you have a point to make on this scenario, would it be to 'win' the argument despite still feeling like you're unjustly choosing when your morality applies?

I'd ask you to be honest with yourself.


You would still look down on and berate a mother who aborted her baby despite being certain to die? So this scenario doesn't apply to you?

Then I question if you're really pro life.

....

Moving on, stress can cause severe problems for the baby:

You must be registered for see links

^You guys should really take a look at that.

I wonder how that would factor in for a pregnant woman that isn't even motivated to carry the baby and give birth.

There's this article to:

You must be registered for see links

I found this bit interesting:

"Personality traits that might account for some women being better able to handle stress include optimism, self-esteem, a feeling of control over one's life, emotional suppression or expression, and hostility, says Dr. Wadhwa."


"That's what makes health providers so reluctant to emphasize the connection between stress and pregnancy problems. They say a lot of the differences come down to women's personalities and how they cope with stress. Besides, who wants to lay even more guilt and anxiety on a woman who is already stressed?"

There's so many variables and factors to consider here, the woman may not even possess most of those personality traits. And I'd imagine that being forced to carry around the baby when you don't want it is one of the most stressful emotions she can experience. The baby may even have defects, increasing the possibility of him/her not even enjoying life.


All in all, I agree with you, it's all about morality, which can be ambiguous. In such a situation, I wouldn't force my morality and even desires on her, and I will try to spare her my ignorance (not know exactly how it feels to put up with all the pains, and carry a child around for 9 months).







@Bold, this too.

If you would've read my previous posts you'd know that if the mother isn't fit to have a child than I believe an abortion is necessary. Though the child is unborn that doesn't mean it's life is any less valuable than that of an adults. Most of the arguments I'm hearing say that if the parents aren't fit to have a child than they shouldn't have ***, but just because the parents are decided to have *** and throwaway the consequences of birth, that doesn't give them the right to take a child's life because they were irresponsible. In the end the child is the one suffering the consequences of the parents irresponsibilite. It's unfair to the infant. It's like saying I made a mistake but because don't feel like suffering the consequences I'm going to lay them on somebody else.

Unfortunately I can no longer have children due to an accident while working on a power line. I'm sterile, and now I'll never get to experience father hood because some women deemed it fit that she didn't want to get fat, or gain stretch marks, or suffer through an hour of pain to bring life to this world.mlife is the most precious gift you can give. Molly and I are no longer together. Though she was healthy her reasons for not having the child was that she wasn't ready, she didn't want to get fat, or have stretch marks, but I was willing to raise the child.

For those of you argueing about the emotional trauma the child will go through because it would feel as though it wasn't wanted, at least it would get to experience those feelings compared to never having any feelings at all. That's why you wait til the child is old enough to comprehend the workings of the world to tell them that story. If anything the child would also feel a sense of happiness for the mother sticking through the pregnancy. There's also the chance that said mother would be willing to meet that child once it ahas grown. Trust me when I tell you that that child will go through far harsher emotional distress from other factors unrelated to the abandonment in their life. Life s full of ups and down and it's natural for humans to move on, though they may dwell on those felling for a while they will move on, and most likely be thankful that they have a life to live in the first place.

Life is the most precious gift in the world. Just because a mother doesn't feel ready to raise a child doesn't give her the right to aid in killing it. I was willing to nullify Molly and I relationship to take care of my child. She said she wasn't ready to have our child. If any thing she could've had birthed our child and matured then when she felt that the time was ready met him Forest, or Olive, and If she felt like she would've never been ready at least my child would be breathing, and alive.

For the argument of death during childbirth, a mother can also die during an abortion just as well. If you take those statistics, than factor in my argument of a fathers right to choose wether or net to go through with the pregnancy the number would drop alarmingly. Death is unavoidable and people die at the most random times. The mother could die walking to the car, while going to the abortion clinic. The child though doesn't have a say in it's death though unfortunately. It's practically murder. It's like saying oh I made a mistake and I don't want to take responsibility so now your going to pay for it.

For those of you saying that the mother goes through emotional distress because of the abortion, I can gaurantee that if she would've gone through the pregnancy she wouldn't be going through nearly as much distress. She chose to put herself through that distress, while the emotional distress I underwent was forced on me.

I could be playing with my child right now, but because that b!tch Molly didn't want to get fat, or have stretch marks, or didn't feel ready to raise a child that she wouldn't have had to, she decided to kill My child, yes that's right my child, just because it was inside her doesn't mean that she had the right to call it hers. Blood doesn't make family love, and devotion does. I hate Molly with every fiber of my being along with her parent. I dram of what my baby would've looked like, and how it would've had a good sense of humor, great artistic abilities, and how it would've loved with every single sense of possibility like myself.

My child was just as much a part of me as it was her. Just because she was the one carrying it didn't give her the right to kill it. It took both of us to create him, or her, so when it comes to life or death of out child the one that saves it should be the overruling factor. To kill our, no my child because she wasn't ready to be a mother isn't a good enough reason to overrule my want and need for my child to live on. She didn't have to be my child's mother, because like I said blood doesn't make family. If I had my child right now I wouldn't even be talking to you people who don't even value life right now. The world can never evolve because people only care about themselves and selfishly cling to their beliefs because they can't accept to expand from what they've been taught.

I was almost aborted as well. When my mother told me that I understood why she may have done it, but I'm alive and happy. I'm not sure wether or not I'm pro abortion, I was before this thread, but more importantly pro equal rights.

Your all cold. This world is only getting worse because people only care for themselves. Not others unfortunately.

 

[Disquiet]

If you would've read my previous posts you'd know that if the mother isn't fit to have a child than I believe an abortion is necessary.

You didn't read my post.

Though the child is unborn that doesn't mean it's life is any less valuable than that of an adults.

This was the logic in question. I'll make it more clear.

You just stated that an abortion is necessary if the mother isn't fit. So, if a mother is in a situation where either her or her 10 year old will die, and offers her up 10 year old to die so she can be the one to live. That was necessary, correct?

In fact, even suggesting that the mother should get an abortion if she is certain to die from the birth, is also admitting her life is more important than the unborn's.

Even the anti-abortionists subconsciously believe the unborn life is less important than an adult's, child's, or already born baby.

The point of that post was to make you guys conscious of that.

EDIT: Another thing, the premise of this thread implies that if the father doesn't want the baby, that you wouldn't care as much.

 

[Scooby Doo]

If you would've read my previous posts you'd know that if the mother isn't fit to have a child than I believe an abortion is necessary. Though the child is unborn that doesn't mean it's life is any less valuable than that of an adults. Most of the arguments I'm hearing say that if the parents aren't fit to have a child than they shouldn't have ***, but just because the parents are decided to have *** and throwaway the consequences of birth, that doesn't give them the right to take a child's life because they were irresponsible. In the end the child is the one suffering the consequences of the parents irresponsibilite. It's unfair to the infant. It's like saying I made a mistake but because don't feel like suffering the consequences I'm going to lay them on somebody else.

Unfortunately I can no longer have children due to an accident while working on a power line. I'm sterile, and now I'll never get to experience father hood because some women deemed it fit that she didn't want to get fat, or gain stretch marks, or suffer through an hour of pain to bring life to this world.mlife is the most precious gift you can give. Molly and I are no longer together. Though she was healthy her reasons for not having the child was that she wasn't ready, she didn't want to get fat, or have stretch marks, but I was willing to raise the child.

For those of you argueing about the emotional trauma the child will go through because it would feel as though it wasn't wanted, at least it would get to experience those feelings compared to never having any feelings at all. That's why you wait til the child is old enough to comprehend the workings of the world to tell them that story. If anything the child would also feel a sense of happiness for the mother sticking through the pregnancy. There's also the chance that said mother would be willing to meet that child once it ahas grown. Trust me when I tell you that that child will go through far harsher emotional distress from other factors unrelated to the abandonment in their life. Life s full of ups and down and it's natural for humans to move on, though they may dwell on those felling for a while they will move on, and most likely be thankful that they have a life to live in the first place.

Life is the most precious gift in the world. Just because a mother doesn't feel ready to raise a child doesn't give her the right to aid in killing it. I was willing to nullify Molly and I relationship to take care of my child. She said she wasn't ready to have our child. If any thing she could've had birthed our child and matured then when she felt that the time was ready met him Forest, or Olive, and If she felt like she would've never been ready at least my child would be breathing, and alive.

For the argument of death during childbirth, a mother can also die during an abortion just as well. If you take those statistics, than factor in my argument of a fathers right to choose wether or net to go through with the pregnancy the number would drop alarmingly. Death is unavoidable and people die at the most random times. The mother could die walking to the car, while going to the abortion clinic. The child though doesn't have a say in it's death though unfortunately. It's practically murder. It's like saying oh I made a mistake and I don't want to take responsibility so now your going to pay for it.

For those of you saying that the mother goes through emotional distress because of the abortion, I can gaurantee that if she would've gone through the pregnancy she wouldn't be going through nearly as much distress. She chose to put herself through that distress, while the emotional distress I underwent was forced on me.

I could be playing with my child right now, but because that b!tch Molly didn't want to get fat, or have stretch marks, or didn't feel ready to raise a child that she wouldn't have had to, she decided to kill My child, yes that's right my child, just because it was inside her doesn't mean that she had the right to call it hers. Blood doesn't make family love, and devotion does. I hate Molly with every fiber of my being along with her parent. I dram of what my baby would've looked like, and how it would've had a good sense of humor, great artistic abilities, and how it would've loved with every single sense of possibility like myself.

My child was just as much a part of me as it was her. Just because she was the one carrying it didn't give her the right to kill it. It took both of us to create him, or her, so when it comes to life or death of out child the one that saves it should be the overruling factor. To kill our, no my child because she wasn't ready to be a mother isn't a good enough reason to overrule my want and need for my child to live on. She didn't have to be my child's mother, because like I said blood doesn't make family. If I had my child right now I wouldn't even be talking to you people who don't even value life right now. The world can never evolve because people only care about themselves and selfishly cling to their beliefs because they can't accept to expand from what they've been taught.

I was almost aborted as well. When my mother told me that I understood why she may have done it, but I'm alive and happy. I'm not sure wether or not I'm pro abortion, I was before this thread, but more importantly pro equal rights.

Your all cold. This world is only getting worse because people only care for themselves. Not others unfortunately.

Let's start from the end

1) You say you are happy now. Then why complain about the past?

2) You say you hate Molly. It's not her fault that you got sterile, blaming her is just ridiculous. Why didn't you find another girl? You say you were 16 at the time, according to your profile, you are 24 now. You had 8 yrs.

3) You say people only care about themselves, but you don't care about Molly's feelings either.

4) You expect a law to obligate woman to give birth to a child if the father wants it. Are you aware how absurd it is? It would just increase illegal abortions.

5) Why didn't you discuss this thing with Molly before having *** with her? You should have known that she wouldn't want this baby.

6) You say girls don't want a baby coz they don't want to get fat. Really? I don't think many women choose abortion simply because they don't want to get fat. Molly had the reason that she was only 16 and her parents didn't support keeping the baby either. Maybe it's unfair that the father doesn't have a saying at all, but it would be even more unfair if the gril would be forced to have a baby just coz the father wants it.

7) All you did in this thread was bringing up personal reasons, which cannot be a basis for making a law. You can't force your opinion on others. You say abortion is murder and wrong no matter what. Others think otherwise.

8) You say aborting the baby is punishing it for your own mistakes, and avoiding responsibility. But forcing a woman to have the baby is punishing the woman with the baby, also taking away the right from the baby to be raised in a normal full family of its own.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Who tf is Molly?

 

[Scooby Doo]

Who tf is Molly?

Her ex gf who aborted their baby when they were 16 ...

OT
Anyways I just checked your threads, I can't take you seriously anymore, you are an obvious troll, Chad. You posted few weeks ago that you go to a rehab coz you've been addicted to opiats for 6 yrs. Then You posted a thread about your IQ being over 150 but you never went to uni coz you were high in the '90-s. Then you posted a thread yesterday about marijuana vs alcohol, saying that you don't smoke weed.
And now you say you made a girl pregnant at 16, but recently you got sterile due to an accident. Seems legit.

You fail to defend your arguments and bring personal crap which is obviously made up. Call me ignorant if you want, I don't care.Even if some things were true, that'd just mean that you blame others for your sh*t and can't get over something that was supposed to happen 8 freaking yrs ago, but you attack others like Ira and me that she must have a lonely life, and I should learn about adult relationships. Obvious troll

 

[Disquiet]

Her ex gf who aborted their baby when they were 16 ...

OT
Anyways I just checked your threads, I can't take you seriously anymore, you are an obvious troll, Chad. You posted few weeks ago that you go to a rehab coz you've been addicted to opiats for 6 yrs. Then You posted a thread about your IQ being over 150 but you never went to uni coz you were high in the '90-s. Then you posted a thread yesterday about marijuana vs alcohol, saying that you don't smoke weed.
And now you say you made a girl pregnant at 16, but recently you got sterile due to an accident. Seems legit.

You fail to defend your arguments and bring personal crap which is obviously made up. Call me ignorant if you want, I don't care.Even if some things were true, that'd just mean that you blame others for your sh*t and can't get over something that was supposed to happen 8 freaking yrs ago, but you attack others like Ira and me that she must have a lonely life, and I should learn about adult relationships. Obvious troll

I was wondering if he was trolling after reading the replies he made to others' points, wasn't sure though. And of course, not many is willing to be that person that accuses another of lying (without sufficient evidence) over a tragic situation.

 

[Scooby Doo]

I was wondering if he was trolling after reading the replies he made to others' points, wasn't sure though. And of course, not many is willing to be that person that accuses another of lying (without sufficient evidence) over a tragic situation.

Check his old threads...He kept flaming people to grow up and they must be lonely...etc.

 

[a banned cartoon]

Let's start from the end

1) You say you are happy now. Then why complain about the past?

2) You say you hate Molly. It's not her fault that you got sterile, blaming her is just ridiculous. Why didn't you find another girl? You say you were 16 at the time, according to your profile, you are 24 now. You had 8 yrs.

3) You say people only care about themselves, but you don't care about Molly's feelings either.

4) You expect a law to obligate woman to give birth to a child if the father wants it. Are you aware how absurd it is? It would just increase illegal abortions.

5) Why didn't you discuss this thing with Molly before having *** with her? You should have known that she wouldn't want this baby.

6) You say girls don't want a baby coz they don't want to get fat. Really? I don't think many women choose abortion simply because they don't want to get fat. Molly had the reason that she was only 16 and her parents didn't support keeping the baby either. Maybe it's unfair that the father doesn't have a saying at all, but it would be even more unfair if the gril would be forced to have a baby just coz the father wants it.

7) All you did in this thread was bringing up personal reasons, which cannot be a basis for making a law. You can't force your opinion on others. You say abortion is murder and wrong no matter what. Others think otherwise.

8) You say aborting the baby is punishing it for your own mistakes, and avoiding responsibility. But forcing a woman to have the baby is punishing the woman with the baby, also taking away the right from the baby to be raised in a normal full family of its own.

1. Where did I say I was happy now. I said that the child will eventually move on from the fact that it's mother didn't want it.
2. Now your twisting my words. I never said I hated Molly because I'm sterile. I hate Molly because she took my shield.
3. You don't know exactly what happened between Molly and I so who are you to say how I feel. Of course I still have feelings for Molly I love her so much, but I hate her so much.
4. The consequences of the illegal abortion would make the mother think twice before going through with it.
5. If you even knew the smallest thing about how life works you'd understand that's the last thing on a 16 years olds mind. Your obviously not 23, because if you were you'd understand the workings of a young mind fueled with dopamine.
6. Once again your twisting my word. I'm talking about Molly. If you want to present a decent argument at least don't twist my words around on me, to make it seem like I'm full of sh!t.
7. Every law that's been created in the Supreme Court has started from somebodies personal reasons. Personal reasons of mine can also relate to the reasons of many others. All law starts with personal reasons. Personal reasons can turn tot he majority of publics opinions.
8. How is the woman being punished. If anything she'll feel more guilt for aborting a baby rather than having it. This is. Y mother who's had an abortions own words. The child can still be raised in a normal environment just because it doesn't have it's birth mother. Do you have any idea how many happy adopted children there are, or step children, or even children with a single parent. It's ludacris to say that a child will be emotionally wrecked just because it wasn't aborted. If anything that child would be happy that the father caught for it to stay alive and love that father that much more.

 

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1. Where did I say I was happy now. I said that the child will eventually move on from the fact that it's mother didn't want it.
2. Now your twisting my words. I never said I hated Molly because I'm sterile. I hate Molly because she took my shield.
3. You don't know exactly what happened between Molly and I so who are you to say how I feel. Of course I still have feelings for Molly I love her so much, but I hate her so much.
4. The consequences of the illegal abortion would make the mother think twice before going through with it.
5. If you even knew the smallest thing about how life works you'd understand that's the last thing on a 16 years olds mind. Your obviously not 23, because if you were you'd understand the workings of a young mind fueled with dopamine.
6. Once again your twisting my word. I'm talking about Molly. If you want to present a decent argument at least don't twist my words around on me, to make it seem like I'm full of sh!t.
7. Every law that's been created in the Supreme Court has started from somebodies personal reasons. Personal reasons of mine can also relate to the reasons of many others. All law starts with personal reasons. Personal reasons can turn tot he majority of publics opinions.
8. How is the woman being punished. If anything she'll feel more guilt for aborting a baby rather than having it. This is. Y mother who's had an abortions own words. The child can still be raised in a normal environment just because it doesn't have it's birth mother. Do you have any idea how many happy adopted children there are, or step children, or even children with a single parent. It's ludacris to say that a child will be emotionally wrecked just because it wasn't aborted. If anything that child would be happy that the father caught for it to stay alive and love that father that much more.

I don't care about anything you have to say, you are an obvious troll.

 

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Her ex gf who aborted their baby when they were 16 ...

OT
Anyways I just checked your threads, I can't take you seriously anymore, you are an obvious troll, Chad. You posted few weeks ago that you go to a rehab coz you've been addicted to opiats for 6 yrs. Then You posted a thread about your IQ being over 150 but you never went to uni coz you were high in the '90-s. Then you posted a thread yesterday about marijuana vs alcohol, saying that you don't smoke weed.
And now you say you made a girl pregnant at 16, but recently you got sterile due to an accident. Seems legit.

You fail to defend your arguments and bring personal crap which is obviously made up. Call me ignorant if you want, I don't care.Even if some things were true, that'd just mean that you blame others for your sh*t and can't get over something that was supposed to happen 8 freaking yrs ago, but you attack others like Ira and me that she must have a lonely life, and I should learn about adult relationships. Obvious troll

First off I was born in 1990 . I have been to rehab, and are currently out. Yes my IQ is in above 150. I said that I never took school seriously because I didn't like it. How does any of this make me a troll. Never said the accident happened recently. I was working on a power line and was in a strap on, lost grip and the part that was fastened between my legs and ruptured my testicles. You are only calling me a troll because your running out of options. I'm 24 you think that none of these things could've happened to me since I was 16. If your going to make a pathetic attempt of calling somebody a liar, get your facts straight.

Your running out of arguments so your last resort is to call me a troll. Whatever dude get a life. Your detective work sucks.

 

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First off I was born in 1990 . I have been to rehab, and are currently out. Yes my IQ is in above 150. I said that I never took school seriously because I didn't like it. How does any of this make me a troll. Never said the accident happened recently. I was working on a power line and was in a strap on, lost grip and the part that was fastened between my legs and ruptured my testicles. You are only calling me a troll because your running out of options. I'm 24 you think that none of these things could've happened to me since I was 16. If your going to make a pathetic attempt of calling somebody a liar, get your facts straight.

Your running out of arguments so your last resort is to call me a troll. Whatever dude get a life. Your detective work sucks.

Proof ?

 

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I don't care about anything you have to say, you are an obvious troll.

Do you think a troll would put so much time and effort into something they feel so strongly about. You keep twisting my words, and now your posting les about me, and twisting them around. Whenever you find a good argument against me come back to me. Until then GTFO. To say that I'm lying about the death of my unborn child is horrible. Your messed up for twisting my words against me. I'm not trolling, and it hurts to think that somebody would under mind my child's death like that.

 

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Do you think a troll would put so much time and effort into something they feel so strongly about. You keep twisting my words, and now your posting les about me, and twisting them around. Whenever you find a good argument against me come back to me. Until then GTFO. To say that I'm lying about the death of my unborn child is horrible. Your messed up for twisting my words against me. I'm not trolling, and it hurts to think that somebody would under mind my child's death like that.

And iT's hard to belive someone would post such intimate things to make an argument and even bring his mother Lol
I'm not twisting your words, you did post you are happy now, you did post you hate that b!tch Molly...etc. Check back your posts, I took screenshots if you can't refresh your memory.

I don't care how much you keep saying it's true, unless you prove it.

And you haven't refuted any of my points so why don't you shut up instead?

And making up an abortion story is even more horrible. Also you say I tell lies about you, but you are doing the same, saying I'm not 23 or that Ira must have a lonely life..e.tc