Abortion Question.

[Cornson]

So I was thinking that if a guy got a women pregnant, and the women didn't want to have the child(abortion), but the dad was willing to raise it on his own, that there should be a law that can stop the women from having the abortion and going through with the pregnancy, so the dad can take care of the child. The child has just as much of the fathers DNA in it as well as the mothers. What do you guys think?

what i think:

that it's a stupid idea, simply because it's not "fair" to force a woman true the experience of pregnancy and child birth just because the dad wants the baby to be born (think if it was the other way around and it was the men that got pregnant... would you want to endure pregnancy and child birth because the person that got you pregnant wanted the baby, when you did not?)

though I guess what could become a reality some time in the near future would be the removal of the impregnated egg, and then the transferal of that egg into a surrogate mother who would then carry that child to term for the father.

 

[EnDash]

Every birth can have complications. If it's known for a fact that said birth can put the mother at risk than, yes she should have the right to theabortion, even against the fathers will. Were talking about this under normal circumstances here though.

you said it yourself, every birth can have complications. you can only say a birth was "normal" after it is done. but before you can never know. and if such complications are to arise unexpectedly, who is going to suffer for them? the woman. what you said that if the mother is at risk she gets the right to have an abortion is true, but i can also say that until you can prove the birth will be quick and relatively painless, without the risk of any harm done to the woman or baby, then the woman is automatically at risk and therefore gets the choice of abortion if she so decides.

this would not be a discussion if it were you that had to drop out of school to raise a kid, this would not be a discussion if it were you that had to risk his life because a woman wants your baby. this would not be a discussion if it were you that dealing with such stressful events at such a young age had to more so deal with the shaming and cursing and blaming from everyone around you because you made a mistake. put yourself in the womans clothes after you find out you are pregnant, i'm sure it's relaxing to know it's your fault and you should deal with the consequence and risk your life for a guy that clearly doesn't care about you.

 

[a banned cartoon]

Yea , I don't see the reason why a woman should be forced to carry DNA of such a person and continue with the process of rape by not throwing something out, which was forced upon her. On top of it trying to make her legally obligated to bear it. Depending on the situation it can be continuation of the process and trauma, mental and physical. That's so unjust and cruel!

Besides if you are going to jump in to reply something not addressed to you, have the decency to not take it out of context. As it is now you are implying that even if it was rape since she did have ***, it's her responsibility. And I find it utterly inhumane that you are supporting a scenario where- first a guy rapes a woman and then uses law to make her carry on his "DNA" because it is his and he wants it.



C - section? Exactly what do you think a C section is? It's a major operation. Doctors do not recommend it as a first option and it's really costly as well.

I was not aware that your mother's opinion equals any woman on earth anywhere and regardless of context..




Totally out of context.



Is it the best you could come up with? How does your mother's experience in raising kids has any weight about the basic argument- whether pregnancy should be forced upon someone or not?



This^ is what we are trying to tell you.



You couldn't even get your mom to give a direct statement to an actual issue and talk about life in general? Giving your kidney to someone can save a life but should we make you legally obligated to donate one? Don't worry that process is shorter and easier than raising kids too.




If you are not trolling, you are failing to see the picture beyond, on this issue. Your mother may probably be anti abortion and may agree with you but that would be just her individual opinion. Still what she said to you is little more than dancing around the issue-i.e. if you even told her what it was about. For she didn't say anything on the topic of abortion or the choice.



Well offering a marriage and intending to commit sincerely may be a decent try. Don't be there just for the baby but for her too. Few people go for abortion for fun. At least not in my part of world. Usually it's mostly medical conditions or the desperate women trying to survive the economic problems or victims of rape, single mothers whose reputation and chances of any normal life are at stake etc.

If it's a married couple of course it's only fair to take in the opinion of other partner in consideration( still mother's life takes precedence in) . But for people who do not want to walk that extra mile - well it would be better if they think and ask other person's view on caring on child bearing before jumping in bed. If someone goes in before taking that factor in consideration and agreeing upon it, then they can only ask afterwards and should back off if the woman is not ready to go through it.

The less committed you were while going in the bed or your partner being unaware of it, less say you have.



Of course but the condition you are talking about is that- the Man says 'yes' and woman says 'no'. Now that means a stalemate. And that's when the right of a woman to her own body kicks in.



You argued that the father's say should be prevalent and actually want a law enacted for it. So his argument is not a diversion but completely valid. You never took the wide variety of scenarios out there in the consideration while other people are taking them in.



So do you mean to suggest that in case of rapist and crazy or selfish fathers the law should deny fathers' say in the matter? What are other conditions where you think father's say should be disregarded? Exactly how much thought you have given to the topic beyond thinking about father's wish?



How can you decide what's going to affect another person or not when you are missing even the basic problems. A lot of physical changes in a body which carries through the pregnancy are permanent. Forensics can tell if woman carried children before her death just by studying the skeleton even, you know.

Many medical problems developed during this condition are also permanent or have long lasting effects. Things like postpartum depression, and thyroid and many other hormonal disturbances can also be involved. So it does affect a mother. Losing a baby after going through so much or having life long problems is not very peachy condition either and adds to depression.

You didn't have much of an argument to begin with. We are just pointing out the narrowness of your way of thinking.



How about you bring some new argument on table instead of just father's wishes which may not even be permanent and change when reality hits later on.



Actually we are not. You never mentioned any specific conditions and if you pay attention all your supporters are on different page regarding this issue. Put these condition where you agreed with abortion or wavered on your stand, and you will lose support of some of them.

Frankly this issue is so subjective that a law, like you are suggesting, is not going to resolve the issue only make it worse. There are times when choosing an abortion can be stupid and there are times when forcing a woman for it as selfish , bad and inhuman. We can only rely on the sensibility of people in assessing their circumstances and reasons and then let it be.

You act as though the fathers not going to go through any emotional trauma. So tell me how it's fair that a mother gets to choose whether or not you can have your future child. If my girlfriend was pregnant and wanted an abortion but I didn't and she went through it anyway, the amount of emotional distress I'd go through along with anyone in that sort of situation is beyond your understanding. I don't know what sort of vendetta you have against me, but your over here disregarding a 50 year old women's words(my mothers) who's been through it all. She's had an abortion. She's much older and wiser than you. Judging by some of your posts you come off as the type to raise your nose at anyone who disagrees with you. Who's support have I lost? There are plenty of people agreeing with me Ira. I'm over here talking about normal circumstances, and your bringing in a whole arsenal of other things(rape, babu sieve relationships, pregnancy complications etc...) every birth has the potential for complications. What if the father doesn't want the child and the mother does, now he's stuck with alimony, or if the mother dies and now he feels obligated to raise said child on his own. There are so many counter argument to this that we could go on for days. You can never convince me otherwise, so stop while your ahead. Your probably one of those feminists who don't shave, and hate every man in general. You've belittled me before, and have shown how childish you can be when I'm trying to be mature. Ira I feel sorry for you. I think you live a very lonely life looking to infract people all day, and then when somebody tries to ask you a serious question you treat them childish. I never did get that apology and that speaks volumes to your character. Your probably on this thread so much just because I previously made you take a look at how you pity yourself because you think your "bullied" so you think that gives you you the right to belittle and treat members as if your above them. If I wasn't the person who originally posted this thread you probably would've never gave this thread a second glance.

 

[Avani]

You act as though the fathers not going to go through any emotional trauma

If it were the other way around I would consider the emotional trauma the women would go through if I decided to abort her child. As long as I knew there would be minimal risk to "my pregnancy" I'd go through it for her.

If it's that traumatic, as said before, such men should better wait till they find a woman ready to go through it for them.

And quit double posting, please. I have to merge your posts again and again. There is a multi quote button for a reason.

Edit because you edited:

You act as though the fathers not going to go through any emotional trauma. So tell me how it's fair that a mother gets to choose whether or not you can have your future child.

Replied by multiple people already.

If my girlfriend was pregnant and wanted an abortion but I didn't and she went through it anyway, the amount of emotional distress I'd go through along with anyone in that sort of situation is beyond your understanding. I don't know what sort of vendetta you have against me, but your over here disregarding a 50 year old women's words(my mothers) who's been through it all.

Seriously? Your mothers is an adult and so am I. I retain my right to disagree with you mum if need be. I was respectful enough of her sentiments and words, something the son( you, ) she raised failed at in his reply.

She's had an abortion. She's much older and wiser than you.

Maybe but what has anything to do with the topic- the right of a woman to make decisions for herself?

Judging by some of your posts you come off as the type to raise your nose at anyone who disagrees with you.

Do you need a mirror? It's your nose which is wrinkled right here for that very reason, not mine.

Who's support have I lost? There are plenty of people agreeing with me Ira.

I am not sure if the misunderstanding my words is deliberate or you do not have enough patience to make an effort.

I'm over here talking about normal circumstances, and your bringing in a whole arsenal of other things(rape, babu sieve relationships, pregnancy complications etc...) every birth has the potential for complications. What if the father doesn't want the child and the mother does, now he's stuck with alimony, or if the mother dies and now he feels obligated to raise said child on his own.
There are so many counter argument to this that we could go on for days.

And yet personally you didn't bring any but hypothetical emotional reasoning.

You can never convince me otherwise,

I noticed.

so stop while your ahead.

Or what? You will add more personal attacks rather than relevant arguments to support your case?

Your probably one of those feminists who don't shave, and hate every man in general. You've belittled me before, and have shown how childish you can be when I'm trying to be mature. Ira I feel sorry for you.

Yawn............. all this for telling you to read the rules and disagreeing with you.

I think you live a very lonely life looking to infract people all day, and then when somebody tries to ask you a serious question you treat them childish.

How about bringing it up when you are not being childish. (Exhibit A: your insults above)

I never did get that apology and that speaks volumes to your character.

Apology for refusing to wipe your nose for you? Excuse me, but if I didn't reply your childish PM a few months ago it was me being polite. You fail to see the obvious and this post just spoke volumes about you. I would expect much better from someone claiming to be 24 and demanding rights of parenthood..

Your probably on this thread so much just because I previously made you take a look at how you pity yourself because you think your "bullied" so you think that gives you you the right to belittle and treat members as if your above them. If I wasn't the person who originally posted this thread you probably would've never gave this thread a second glance.

Bullied? Those who try, end up regretting it. Your ego is your problem not mine. I replied to make up for lack of woman's perspective in this thread, rather than relying on white nights only for it. Get over yourself.


I almost ignored your edit but then I realized people like you when let off easily, after running their mouth thoughtlessly repeat the offense thinking they were very clever or righteous while they were just being immature and egoistic.

 

[Scooby Doo]

You act as though the fathers not going to go through any emotional trauma. So tell me how it's fair that a mother gets to choose whether or not you can have your future child. If my girlfriend was pregnant and wanted an abortion but I didn't and she went through it anyway, the amount of emotional distress I'd go through along with anyone in that sort of situation is beyond your understanding. I don't know what sort of vendetta you have against me, but your over here disregarding a 50 year old women's words(my mothers) who's been through it all. She's had an abortion. She's much older and wiser than you. Judging by some of your posts you come off as the type to raise your nose at anyone who disagrees with you. Who's support have I lost? There are plenty of people agreeing with me Ira. I'm over here talking about normal circumstances, and your bringing in a whole arsenal of other things(rape, babu sieve relationships, pregnancy complications etc...) every birth has the potential for complications. What if the father doesn't want the child and the mother does, now he's stuck with alimony, or if the mother dies and now he feels obligated to raise said child on his own. There are so many counter argument to this that we could go on for days. You can never convince me otherwise, so stop while your ahead. Your probably one of those feminists who don't shave, and hate every man in general. You've belittled me before, and have shown how childish you can be when I'm trying to be mature. Ira I feel sorry for you. I think you live a very lonely life looking to infract people all day, and then when somebody tries to ask you a serious question you treat them childish. I never did get that apology and that speaks volumes to your character. Your probably on this thread so much just because I previously made you take a look at how you pity yourself because you think your "bullied" so you think that gives you you the right to belittle and treat members as if your above them. If I wasn't the person who originally posted this thread you probably would've never gave this thread a second glance.

Getting personal, heh? Very fair way to make your point.


And I'll say it again, maybe if you think about it enough times, you'll understand, though as you said you cant be convinced, so making a debate thread is pointless when you dont accept any reasoning except yours.

If a couple uses contraceptives, it means they dont want a baby. Pretty obvious. So if pregnancy still happens by accident, it's irrelevant that the father changes his mind. When he had ***, he didnt want it and knew that the girl doesnt want it either. That's why they used contraceptives.

If they didnt use contraceptives, they should have talked about what happens in case of unexpected pregnancy. If they didnt talk about it, but they still have ***, this means the guy accepted the possibility that the woman may choose abortion, so if he didnt say earlier that he wants a child, he should shut up after ***. If they talked about it and the guy knew the girl doesnt want a baby, and still had *** with her, he accepted beforehand that the girl can choose abortion.
(If both of them want it, there is no problem here. And the last scenario is that the guy didnt want the baby but the girl did, so then why did the guy have *** with her? He should shut up)

These are all the possible scenarios, and your points are debunked in every case.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Yea , I don't see the reason why a woman should be forced to carry DNA of such a person and continue with the process of rape by not throwing something out, which was forced upon her. On top of it trying to make her legally obligated to bear it. Depending on the situation it can be continuation of the process and trauma, mental and physical. That's so unjust and cruel!

Besides if you are going to jump in to reply something not addressed to you, have the decency to not take it out of context. As it is now you are implying that even if it was rape since she did have ***, it's her responsibility. And I find it utterly inhumane that you are supporting a scenario where- first a guy rapes a woman and then uses law to make her carry on his "DNA" because it is his and he wants it.

First of all, this is not just DNA. The fact of the matter of is, it is no longer as simple as a sperm cell and an egg cell, these two things have converged into something completely different. It doesn't matter if you believe it's already human or a clump of cells, the fact is, it is now further than simply DNA and is on its way to one day becoming a human being. This is now no longer an issue of *** cells, but whether or not there will be an additional human being on the planet.

Secondly, am I wrong? I am not talking about a scenario where a man wanted a kid so he raped someone, I'm talking about a scenario where he just raped and she ended up pregnant. Aborting this baby will not remove your trauma, it will not punish the man, it will not mean the rape never happened. It is cruel and unjust, but it's reality: If you have an abortion, you were still raped and that's something that's going to be reality forever and ever. Just like all the other foul, dark and disturbing aspects that happen in life, we can't change that it's happened once it's happened, so aborting the baby does nothing practically. If you don't want a reminder, give the child up for adoption. My point of view on rape takes in no consideration what the piece of filth rapist wants, it takes into consideration that this is a person, it will have life, it is beyond a clump of cells, and it has done nothing wrong, so why is it paying the cost of another's actions?

And let me ask you a question now Ira. Let's say at some point in your life, by some cosmic means or whatever, it is revealed to you that you were conceived because of rape and you now have the option of changing reality so that you were aborted and saved your mother extra trauma as you claim birthing a rape baby brings. Would you take that option and have it so that you were aborted instead of being able to live?

I am in no way saying the woman is responsible for her rape, don't you ever say that shit again. Also, this is a thread, not some private chat or conversation, so don't imply I did something wrong by quoting you when you weren't talking tome.

 

[Scooby Doo]

First of all, this is not just DNA. The fact of the matter of is, it is no longer as simple as a sperm cell and an egg cell, these two things have converged into something completely different. It doesn't matter if you believe it's already human or a clump of cells, the fact is, it is now further than simply DNA and is on its way to one day becoming a human being. This is now no longer an issue of *** cells, but whether or not there will be an additional human being on the planet.

Secondly, am I wrong? I am not talking about a scenario where a man wanted a kid so he raped someone, I'm talking about a scenario where he just raped and she ended up pregnant. Aborting this baby will not remove your trauma, it will not punish the man, it will not mean the rape never happened. It is cruel and unjust, but it's reality: If you have an abortion, you were still raped and that's something that's going to be reality forever and ever. Just like all the other foul, dark and disturbing aspects that happen in life, we can't change that it's happened once it's happened, so aborting the baby does nothing practically. If you don't want a reminder, give the child up for adoption. My point of view on rape takes in no consideration what the piece of filth rapist wants, it takes into consideration that this is a person, it will have life, it is beyond a clump of cells, and it has done nothing wrong, so why is it paying the cost of another's actions?

And let me ask you a question now Ira. Let's say at some point in your life, by some cosmic means or whatever, it is revealed to you that you were conceived because of rape and you now have the option of changing reality so that you were aborted and saved your mother extra trauma as you claim birthing a rape baby brings. Would you take that option and have it so that you were aborted instead of being able to live?

I am in no way saying the woman is responsible for her rape, don't you ever say that shit again. Also, this is a thread, not some private chat or conversation, so don't imply I did something wrong by quoting you when you weren't talking tome.

Yeah abortion doesn't erase the rape, but noone can force a woman to go through a pregnancy she didn't want. A baby shouldn't be used as a punishment for the mother's mistake in any case.

 

[EnDash]

First of all, this is not just DNA. The fact of the matter of is, it is no longer as simple as a sperm cell and an egg cell, these two things have converged into something completely different. It doesn't matter if you believe it's already human or a clump of cells, the fact is, it is now further than simply DNA and is on its way to one day becoming a human being. This is now no longer an issue of *** cells, but whether or not there will be an additional human being on the planet.

Secondly, am I wrong? I am not talking about a scenario where a man wanted a kid so he raped someone, I'm talking about a scenario where he just raped and she ended up pregnant. Aborting this baby will not remove your trauma, it will not punish the man, it will not mean the rape never happened. It is cruel and unjust, but it's reality: If you have an abortion, you were still raped and that's something that's going to be reality forever and ever. Just like all the other foul, dark and disturbing aspects that happen in life, we can't change that it's happened once it's happened, so aborting the baby does nothing practically. If you don't want a reminder, give the child up for adoption. My point of view on rape takes in no consideration what the piece of filth rapist wants, it takes into consideration that this is a person, it will have life, it is beyond a clump of cells, and it has done nothing wrong, so why is it paying the cost of another's actions?

And let me ask you a question now Ira. Let's say at some point in your life, by some cosmic means or whatever, it is revealed to you that you were conceived because of rape and you now have the option of changing reality so that you were aborted and saved your mother extra trauma as you claim birthing a rape baby brings. Would you take that option and have it so that you were aborted instead of being able to live?

I am in no way saying the woman is responsible for her rape, don't you ever say that shit again. Also, this is a thread, not some private chat or conversation, so don't imply I did something wrong by quoting you when you weren't talking tome.

in this video:

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they talk and quote a blog of a woman where she said she wished her mother would have aborted her. because her mother had to quit high school to raise her and as a result was very depressed and suicidal and was also abusive.

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not every life is a good life. if her mother had aborted her and went on to get a better life and grow up before raising a child that child's life would have been much better and the woman realise that.

 

[YowYan]

I think the mother should go with it if the father wants the baby.

Idiotic.

OT: Lets instead focus on the children that were already born into this world and suffer from poverty, famine, war, forced prostitution, religious and cultural indoctrination co-ed with freedom deprivation.

Only after we globally reduce child death's and suffering should we start look at how to diminish abortions without infringing on the rights of people.

 

[Xirenji]

OT is a question of morality, which is ambiguous, and have no set answer. It will always depend on a person's perspective and experiences.

Taking the practical approach however is much more straightforward, thus usually preferable for me.

If a man is really that determined to raise a child, I would think he'd use that energy to find someone else who will be the mother (perhaps a better one) of his child instead, rather than go through all the trouble of arguing with a woman who has made up her mind.

 

[Avani]

First of all, this is not just DNA. The fact of the matter of is, it is no longer as simple as a sperm cell and an egg cell, these two things have converged into something completely different. It doesn't matter if you believe it's already human or a clump of cells, the fact is, it is now further than simply DNA and is on its way to one day becoming a human being. This is now no longer an issue of *** cells, but whether or not there will be an additional human being on the planet.

We have had this same argument in more than one thread on the topic of abortion in general. Your view on it only as much of importance on it as mine for you. Plus, thread maker was the one who brought Father's DNA argument.

Secondly, am I wrong? I am not talking about a scenario where a man wanted a kid so he raped someone, I'm talking about a scenario where he just raped and she ended up pregnant. Aborting this baby will not remove your trauma, it will not punish the man, it will not mean the rape never happened. It is cruel and unjust, but it's reality: If you have an abortion, you were still raped and that's something that's going to be reality forever and ever. Just like all the other foul, dark and disturbing aspects that happen in life, we can't change that it's happened once it's happened, so aborting the baby does nothing practically. If you don't want a reminder, give the child up for adoption. My point of view on rape takes in no consideration what the piece of filth rapist wants, it takes into consideration that this is a person, it will have life, it is beyond a clump of cells, and it has done nothing wrong, so why is it paying the cost of another's actions?

Yes you are wrong. You are so focused on the idea of a new life that you are ignoring the life of already living person in front of you. ( Just my opinion of course and I am sure you think the same about mine)

A 10-year old Senegalese girl who became pregnant with twins after being raped by a neighbor is being forced to continue with her pregnancy, thanks to her country’s stringent restrictions on abortion.

Do you have any idea how much that strain is for a 10 year old? But of course she has no rights -she is a girl after all.

This issue is certainly not specific to Senegal. A similar situation sparked considerable controversy in Chile last year, when an 11-year-old rape victim was not permitted to end her pregnancy. And there was a massive outcry when a dying Salvadoran woman was initially denied the abortion she needed to save her life, despite the fact that her fetus wasn’t viable. Ireland was recently pressured to slightly loosen its laws in this area after a 31-year-old woman died as a result of being denied an emergency abortion. Across the entire globe, an estimated 47,000 women die each year because they lack access to safe, legal abortion care.

But of course since they are women their death is of little importance.

And let me ask you a question now Ira. Let's say at some point in your life, by some cosmic means or whatever, it is revealed to you that you were conceived because of rape and you now have the option of changing reality so that you were aborted and saved your mother extra trauma as you claim birthing a rape baby brings. Would you take that option and have it so that you were aborted instead of being able to live?

Of course. In a blink. If I am alive I am alive but if I am dead I'm already past a hell lot of trouble and if it gives a mother some respite and a chance to move on without adding more to her pile sure. It's the living who suffer Rikerslade, not the dead ones.

I am in no way saying the woman is responsible for her rape, don't you ever say that shit again. Also, this is a thread, not some private chat or conversation, so don't imply I did something wrong by quoting you when you weren't talking tome.

Then you should read the topic carefully and see exactly what people are talking about. Someone gave a specific statement and I asked his view on a specific scenario according to that thought of line. You are the one jumping in and thus responsible for how your post comes off.

Replying to me was not the wrong part, taking a statement without context and start an argument over it was the problem.

 

[a banned cartoon]

OT is a question of morality, which is ambiguous, and have no set answer. It will always depend on a person's perspective and experiences.

Taking the practical approach however is much more straightforward, thus usually preferable for me.

If a man is really that determined to raise a child, I would think he'd use that energy to find someone else who will be the mother (perhaps a better one) of his child instead, rather than go through all the trouble of arguing with a woman who has made up her mind.

Sometimes sh!t happens though like one night stands for example, and though the father never gave two thoughts about a raising a child, now he's suddenly finding himself emotionally overwhelmed of the though that a part of him is growing inside that women's stomach.

 

[a banned cartoon]

Fuk it!

Let me tell you guys why I feel so strong about this. Imagine a 16 year old Chad in love, with a girl named Molly. We used birth control and everything. I hadn't ever planned on having a child, and still I never did. I did get Molly pregnant though, and her parents didn't want her to have my child. Molly was uncertain about having this child as well. The thought that a part of me was growing inside of Molly's stomach overwhelmed me and made me feel emotions I had otherwise never felt before. It's something so indescribable that you can't use words to sum it up. I could not simply wrap my brain around the fact that there was a younger smaller version of me growing inside her, that one day I would be a father, and I'd be raising my little boy, or my little girl. I had already chosen the name for my son, it was Forrest, I had already chosen the name of my daughter it was Olive. Molly's parents talked her into having that abortion, I begged and pleaded her not to. She wouldn't listen to me though, she said that she wasn't ready to raise a child, I however was, even though I was only 16. Everyday I think o what could've been and how at this moment I could be playing with Forest, or with Olive, but due to this fuked up world and government I can't. It's okay though because I know that my child is waiting for in some kind of beyond.

Ira please don't add this post to my previous.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Sometimes sh!t happens though like one night stands for example, and though the father never gave two thoughts about a raising a child, now he's suddenly finding himself emotionally overwhelmed of the though that a part of him is growing inside that women's stomach.

And noone cares about the guy finding himself suddenly emotionally overwhelmed. The woman is even more overwhelmed emotionally in the first place, and we can't force someone to give birth just because a careless guy is suddenly emotionally overwhelmed.

Can't you come up with something better?

Fuk it!

Let me tell you guys why I feel so strong about this. Imagine a 16 year old Chad in love, with a girl named Molly. We used birth control and everything. I hadn't ever planned on having a child, and still I never did. I did get Molly pregnant though, and her parents didn't want her to have my child. Molly was uncertain about having this child as well. The thought that a part of me was growing inside of Molly's stomach overwhelmed me and made me feel emotions I had otherwise never felt before. It's something so indescribable that you can't use words to sum it up. I could not simply wrap my brain around the fact that there was a younger smaller version of me growing inside her, that one day I would be a father, and I'd be raising my little boy, or my little girl. I had already chosen the name for my son, it was Forrest, I had already chosen the name of my daughter it was Olive. Molly's parents talked her into having that abortion, I begged and pleaded her not to. She wouldn't listen to me though, she said that she wasn't ready to raise a child, I however was, even though I was only 16. Everyday I think o what could've been and how at this moment I could be playing with Forest, or with Olive, but due to this fuked up world and government I can't. It's okay though because I know that my child is waiting for in some kind of beyond.

Ira please don't add this post to my previous.

That's very sad but just because you were willing to raise the child, you can't enforce a law to obligate every woman to give birth if the father changes his mind. Just wait till your girl will be ready, or find another girl who is already willing to have a child...

 

[a banned cartoon]

And noone cares about the guy finding himself suddenly emotionally overwhelmed. The woman is even more overwhelmed emotionally in the first place, and we can't force someone to give birth just because a careless guy is suddenly emotionally overwhelmed.

Can't you come up with something better?




That's very sad but just because you were willing to raise the child, you can't enforce a law to obligate every woman to give birth if the father changes his mind. Just wait till your girl will be ready, or find another girl who is already willing to have a child...

Just wait till my girl will be ready? You speak as though another child will erase the fact that m son or daughter was aborted. If women get to say what they can do with their bodies than a man should get to say what a women does with his child.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Just wait till my girl will be ready? You speak as though another child will erase the fact that m son or daughter was aborted. If women get to say what they can do with their bodies than a man should get to say what a women does with his child.

Correction: their unborn child and her body

If the guy is not ready to bear with such unexpected consequences and the emotional turmoil, he shouldn't have ***.

 

[a banned cartoon]

Correction: their unborn child and her body

If the guy is not ready to bear with such unexpected consequences and the emotional turmoil, he shouldn't have ***.

I don't know if you've ever been in love or not, but things aren't as black and white as you make them out to be. Emotions run high and sometimes it's impossible to stop yourself from having ***. How old are you exactly, I think you've got a lot to learn about the real world and adult relationships.

 

[a banned cartoon]

Correction: their unborn child and her body

If the guy is not ready to bear with such unexpected consequences and the emotional turmoil, he shouldn't have ***.

I don't know if you've ever been in love or not, but things aren't as black and white as you make them out to be. Emotions run high and sometimes it's impossible to stop yourself from having ***. How old are you exactly, I think you've got a lot to learn about the real world and adult relationships.

 

[Xirenji]

Fuk it!

Let me tell you guys why I feel so strong about this. Imagine a 16 year old Chad in love, with a girl named Molly. We used birth control and everything. I hadn't ever planned on having a child, and still I never did. I did get Molly pregnant though, and her parents didn't want her to have my child. Molly was uncertain about having this child as well. The thought that a part of me was growing inside of Molly's stomach overwhelmed me and made me feel emotions I had otherwise never felt before. It's something so indescribable that you can't use words to sum it up. I could not simply wrap my brain around the fact that there was a younger smaller version of me growing inside her, that one day I would be a father, and I'd be raising my little boy, or my little girl. I had already chosen the name for my son, it was Forrest, I had already chosen the name of my daughter it was Olive. Molly's parents talked her into having that abortion, I begged and pleaded her not to. She wouldn't listen to me though, she said that she wasn't ready to raise a child, I however was, even though I was only 16. Everyday I think o what could've been and how at this moment I could be playing with Forest, or with Olive, but due to this fuked up world and government I can't. It's okay though because I know that my child is waiting for in some kind of beyond.

Ira please don't add this post to my previous.

It is indeed very sad to suddenly find yourself in that situation, but think of it this way: if you've forced Molly to give birth against her will, not only will she most likely forever hold that against you (not that I know her or anything) since you would have made her do something irreversible, you would also be potentially (unintentionally) be forcing a child to live with the knowledge that his/her mother (and grandparents) probably didn't want him/her to be born.

That can be a major source of depression for a kid.

If you wait until Molly is ready, you will have both Molly and the child, and it will make everything easier both emotionally and financially. Your child is more likely to grow up happier with a complete family too. Aren't parents 'supposed' to always think about the betterment of their child?

In this case from what you've been saying, you gave me the impression that you were more concerned about your own emotional turmoil, rather than thinking about the child him/herself. This may or may not be true, but just saying that's what I was getting.

Besides, this doesn't mean that you can't have another child later on. Forrest and Olive can still be born in the future, hopefully in a happier environment with both a loving mother and father.

Of course, nothing can replace the child you lost, but there's nothing you can do about it now but think about the future.

Also, having birth for a girl at that age complicates things. Nevermind the physical effects of giving birth, there's also the issue of school (I'm assuming she was also 16?).

If she went through with her pregnancy, she would have probably needed to dropout. She might have to repeat a year if she decides to continue her education and that can be embarrassing too, while you on the other hand don't necessarily have to live through that.

There's also that mentality that she may be seen as a 'slvt' (it's not always true, but the sad thing is that people who judge in that way really do exist unfortunately), so if she does come back to school, she can also be bullied or made fun of.

(The contrast is disheartening because mostly when boys do it, they're considered awesome instead, or people don't care.)

I'm assuming you're both no longer 16?

Just wait till my girl will be ready? You speak as though another child will erase the fact that m son or daughter was aborted. If women get to say what they can do with their bodies than a man should get to say what a women does with his child.

Wow, really? Yeah it's your child, but it's her body and her child too, not just yours. I'm sure you're not the only one who underwent emotional turmoil here. You're focusing on your own feelings only and are not looking at the bigger picture.

Still, I'm sorry for your loss. Even though I disagree with you, I can at least see why you're upset.


EDIT: I didn't even know men had no legal say in abortion, I thought they did to an extent, though that might differ from country to country.

 

[Maid]

Well, it really depends on the mother. The mother has to go through pregnancy not the father and that means she has to have a healthy diet and a healthy state of mind. That means no alcohol and no playing around ,ect. She would be very hormonal and under alot of pain like most pregnant woman and one tiny mistake could affect her babys health..you get the big picture. Secondly even is she gave birth to her child and found out that his/her mother didn't even wan't him/her to begin with.The child would be extremely traumatized witch could affect him through everyday life.


If the father wants a baby that much then he should find a suitable soulmate, who's equally able to love and care for his child as much as he does.