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You act like we the ones who have to carry the shit around for 9 months and then push it out our genitals.

Seriously? So 18 and possibly more years of raising the child doesn't matter? If the father can go through that, then the woman has no excuse as to why she can't go through 9 months of labor other than selfishness(barring financial issues of course). SMH at people who act like the father won't be affected as well by the child's birth. If the woman truly has nothing to do with the child, he will be affected far more.
 

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You act like we the ones who have to carry the shit around for 9 months and then push it out our genitals.

That's why I said it ultimately is the women's body. Women are never the same after they give birth to a child. I'm not just talkig physically here I am talking mentally. I have a friend who went through this very ordeal. She didn't want the child, was going to abort but since the father wanted her she carried the child to term.

Not that is was a bad thing as the father is a loving dad still raising her to this day. But he is also married and his wife has cared for their girl as if she were her own. My friend however regrets giving her up now and it shows in everything she does.

Carrying a living thing in your body for 9 months then birthing it isn't something you can just brush aside.
 
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I also think the mother should pay a form of child support. If men have to pay alimony or child support for a child they want nothing to do with, then so should women, regardless of circumstance.

I think that if the women wants the baby, but the father wanted an abortion, than no child support, and vice versa. But if both wanted the child then they split up, and only one of the parents are taking care of the children than go for the child support.
 

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Seriously? So 18 and possibly more years of raising the child doesn't matter? If the father can go through that, then the woman has no excuse as to why she can't go through 9 months of labor other than selfishness(barring financial issues of course). SMH at people who act like the father won't be affected as well by the child's birth. If the woman truly has nothing to do with the child, he will be affected far more.

I'd like to think pregnancy and childbirth are a bit more physically demanding on the mother than raising the child x amount of years, just saying.

You ever see that vid where the dudes went under a labor simulation? They were in PAIN let me tell ya.
 

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Fine, but if they had a law allowing that, then the father shouldn't be able to later ask for child support.
 

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I think that if the women wants the baby, but the father wanted an abortion, than no child support, and vice versa. But if both wanted the child then they split up, and only one of the parents are taking care of the children than go for the child support.
I don't agree with this. I think as long as the person in custody of the child is unmarried, then you pay support, just like alimony.

I'd like to think pregnancy and childbirth are a bit more physically demanding on the mother than raising the child x amount of years, just saying.

You ever see that vid where the dudes went under a labor simulation? They were in PAIN let me tell ya.
Raising a child isn't physically demanding? Yes, women go through a lot during pregnancy, labor and childbirth.

But let's not forget the man would go through 18+ YEARS(compare this to 9 MONTHS) of paying all kind of bills for the kid, raising the kid, years of waking up in the middle of the night and feeding/changing the kid(leading to loss of sleep which is VERY physically taxing), emotional struggles that comes with raising the kid, making sure the kid has right values, making sure the kid is safe. Taking time off from work to take care of the kid.

Women can suck it the **** up.
 

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I don't agree with this. I think as long as the person in custody of the child is unmarried, then you pay support, just like alimony.


Raising a child isn't physically demanding? Yes, women go through a lot during pregnancy, labor and childbirth.

But let's not forget the man would go through 18+ YEARS(compare this to 9 MONTHS) of paying all kind of bills for the kid, raising the kid, years of waking up in the middle of the night and feeding/changing the kid(leading to loss of sleep which is VERY physically taxing), emotional struggles that comes with raising the kid, making sure the kid has right values, making sure the kid is safe. Taking time off from work to take care of the kid.

Women can suck it the **** up.

You ever gave child birth?

No? Then you're not in the position to say suck it up. Excrete a football sized object out of your body after carrying it for nine months, then you can say suck it up. Except you can't. The task is so demanding, women can and have died from it, and so might the babies. Have some fúcking respect.
 
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You ever gave child birth?

No? Then you're not in the position to say suck it up. Excrete a football sized object out of your body after carrying it for nine months, then you can say suck it up. Except you can't. Have some fúcking respect.

Yes, it is painful, but it is temporary pain. Can you seriously disagree that the stress and effort it takes to raise a child for 18 YEARS, which is TWENTY-FOUR times the length of pregnancy, overwhelms pregnancy? If we are capable of handling that, then women can handle pregnancy. Yes it ****ing hurts, but that should be no excuse for abortion, that's selfish.
 

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Yes, it is painful, but it is temporary pain. Can you seriously disagree that the stress and effort it takes to raise a child for 18 YEARS, which is TWENTY-FOUR times the length of pregnancy, overwhelms pregnancy? If we are capable of handling that, then women can handle pregnancy. Yes it ****ing hurts, but that should be no excuse for abortion, that's selfish.

Please address the edit in which I stated women have died from it. I've never read an article that says "father dies from child raising".

Abortion is also used in the likelihood that the mother and child will die at child birth. That selfish too, sir?

Plus, raising a child isn't all doom gloom and stress.
 

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Seriously? So 18 and possibly more years of raising the child doesn't matter? If the father can go through that, then the woman has no excuse as to why she can't go through 9 months of labor other than selfishness(barring financial issues of course). SMH at people who act like the father won't be affected as well by the child's birth. If the woman truly has nothing to do with the child, he will be affected far more.

No, it doesn't matter because the father's not the one pushing it out. The woman is the one who has to go through the pain. It's more selfish to act as if she's obligated to put herself through shit and potentially die just so you can take care of a baby you aren't even sure you'll really be able to keep successfully yourself.

When you grow a ***** and have to push a human being (that in this case the woman doesn't even care about) out of it for hours on hours after going through pregnancy bullshit for 9 months then you can have a say in what's done with a baby.

I'm not saying that I support abortion, but what I don't support is selfishness to the extent that you're hurting someone and possibly killing them to get what you want.

What makes the father in this scenario any different from a child begging for his mom to run into a flaming house to rescue his prized teddy bear? Lol
 

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Please address the edit in which I stated women have died from it. I've never read an article that says "father dies from child raising".

Abortion is also used in the likelihood that the mother and child will die at child birth. That selfish too, sir?

Plus, raising a child isn't all doom gloom and stress.

My views are actually that if the mother's life is threatened and the child will die anyway, or the child die regardless of the mother's survival, then yes, abort it. That is the only acceptable situation IMO.

It's not all doom, gloom and stress, but are you really, really, really trying to say raising a child is less taxing than giving birth?
 

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My views are actually that if the mother's life is threatened and the child will die anyway, or the child die regardless of the mother's survival, then yes, abort it. That is the only acceptable situation IMO.

It's not all doom, gloom and stress, but are you really, really, really trying to say raising a child is less taxing than giving birth?

Question, and by all means feel free to not answer it since it's a bit personal:

Are you a father? And if so, for how long?
 

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No, it doesn't matter because the father's not the one pushing it out. The woman is the one who has to go through the pain. It's more selfish to act as if she's obligated to put herself through shit and potentially die just so you can take care of a baby you aren't even sure you'll really be able to keep successfully yourself.

When you grow a ***** and have to push a human being (that in this case the woman doesn't even care about) out of it for hours on hours after going through pregnancy bullshit for 9 months then you can have a say in what's done with a baby.

I'm not saying that I support abortion, but what I don't support is selfishness to the extent that you're hurting someone and possibly killing them to get what you want.

What makes the father in this scenario any different from a child begging for his mom to run into a flaming house to rescue his prized teddy bear? Lol

1. That's a horrible comparison. For one, dying from pregnancy happens far less than living through pregnancy, so it is no way like running into a burning building. Secondly, a prized teddy bear can be easily replaced and forgotten. If human life is comparable to a teddy bear to you, then you have no ****ing idea what the true value of life is at all.

2. Is it not selfish to deny the man the right to have his child? It is just as much his child as it hers. Is it not selfish to deprive the child of life because of what one person wants? What about the emotional pain the man will go through because his child was taken from him without any regard for what he wanted? The 18 years the man goes through raising the child easily nullifies the 9 months of labor, in all fairness, it's a non-factor because the mother just goes through 9 months of pain while the man will either go through 18 years of responsibility for another life or will have to live forever with the pain of not having the child he wanted.
 

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Question, and by all means feel free to not answer it since it's a bit personal:

Are you a father? And if so, for how long?

No, I am not a father. Explain to me how that means the love a father has for child is lessened in intensity or meaning in any way, or how that means raising a child is any easier. You can't, this question is irrelevant as ****, whether or not I'm a father does not mean raising a child is any less strenuous. Try actually rebuttalling to what I'm saying instead of dodging around with bullshit.
 

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I agree with rikersalad, a man should have a say in the abortion and a woman should keep the baby and only on extreme circumstances even think of aborting, i do not condone abortion and rebuke it.

If you don't want a baby don't practice unsafe *** or rather yet practice abstinence.


Furthermore abortion is a sin as regardless of the mother housing the baby or not it is a living being and deserves a fair shot at life.
 

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1. That's a horrible comparison. For one, dying from pregnancy happens far less than living through pregnancy, so it is no way like running into a burning building. Secondly, a prized teddy bear can be easily replaced and forgotten. If human life is comparable to a teddy bear to you, then you have no ****ing idea what the true value of life is at all.

2. Is it not selfish to deny the man the right to have his child? It is just as much his child as it hers. Is it not selfish to deprive the child of life because of what one person wants? What about the emotional pain the man will go through because his child was taken from him without any regard for what he wanted? The 18 years the man goes through raising the child easily nullifies the 9 months of labor, in all fairness, it's a non-factor because the mother just goes through 9 months of pain while the man will either go through 18 years of responsibility for another life or will have to live forever with the pain of not having the child he wanted.

What if the baby could be someone else's?


Then what...
 

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Indeed Riker is correct, why on earth would it be solely the woman's choice? Her body? If the man is willing to do all the work then she should without a doubt accept that and let him take it from there.
 

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Seriously? So 18 and possibly more years of raising the child doesn't matter? If the father can go through that, then the woman has no excuse as to why she can't go through 9 months of labor other than selfishness(barring financial issues of course). SMH at people who act like the father won't be affected as well by the child's birth. If the woman truly has nothing to do with the child, he will be affected far more.

1. That's a horrible comparison. For one, dying from pregnancy happens far less than living through pregnancy, so it is no way like running into a burning building. Secondly, a prized teddy bear can be easily replaced and forgotten. If human life is comparable to a teddy bear to you, then you have no ****ing idea what the true value of life is at all.

It's an analogy for a reason.

Because it happens less, we should ignore the minority, no? Let's just forget about the women who do actually die from pregnancy. The father's desire is what matters most, right?

Male domination never fails to amaze me. Lol

If you're willing to take risks like that and make a woman who doesn't think the same as you go through things like that then maybe you're more inhumane than I am.

2. Is it not selfish to deny the man the right to have his child?

Sure, but the woman has more of a right since she's the one doing the physical work. And yes, the physical work matters more than some dude who can't stop *****ing about how he can't get what he wants. Boo hoo.

I'd be happy to help women break a law like the one mentioned in the OP. Women aren't cattle.

It is just as much his child as it hers.

All he has to do is get a nut and then worry about everything else after the woman finishes going through body ****ery. Even then, it's not definite that the man can even care for the child successfully. Of course, I won't ignore the minority because I'm not that much of a douche. Let's say the guy successfully raises the child on his own. Why do we have to ignore the woman's desires, even if they're "selfish"? Your argument shows that the world doesn't run on morality, if anything, and that mentality can go for either side of the argument.

"Is it not selfish to deprive the child of life because of what one person wants?"

Is it not selfish to treat a woman like she's a cow for your whims because your condom broke (if you even used one) or you didn't pull out in time or whatever? Why does she have to succumb to your whims and suffer for you? Isn't that just as cruel as not wanting to have the baby?

Hope that girl really loves you, homes.

What about the emotional pain the man will go through because his child was taken from him without any regard for what he wanted?

The woman's emotions matter more unless the dad transfers the baby into his stomach somehow and has to go through pregnancy and birth. Yeah, I mean what I just typed up too. Not that there's really a hierarchy for emotions, but adding everything up makes the father's desire less important.

Let's get a woman pregnant. She doesn't want the baby, but you do.

Trying to do something like the OP stated is basically saying

"***** **** your body, I'm worried about that little body you're supposed to be pushing into my arms. **** you. Let me have this."

The 18 years the man goes through raising the child easily nullifies the 9 months of labor,

How so? You're creating a hierarchy here. A man doesn't have to go through even half the pain a woman does in those 18 years unless he somehow has to get his ass beat for money or some shit.

in all fairness, it's a non-factor because the mother just goes through 9 months of pain while the man will either go through 18 years of responsibility for another life or will have to live forever with the pain of not having the child he wanted.

Have you ever watched The Cosby Show?
 

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This thread, especially Youth and Full Power's arguments, are basically "How dare you say the man's and child's needs matter more? No one's needs matter more. Except the women, their needs matter more." Youth, you're basically saying I'm wrong for putting one's needs ahead of another(man over woman), when you yourself are putting the woman's needs over the man's and child's. If I am wrong, then you are wrong for doing the same thing I'm doing with flipped roles.
 
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