Who is actually evil in naruto

[Its sasukebase]

Mizuki lol

he was manipulated by oro you could say he is evil

 

[Joon]

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It is what you perceive as evil; having to deal with your morals and values.

 

[Bronze]

Eh, is someone evil if what they feel they're doing is right? That's what I was saying with my other post. They do it for their benefits but people like Obito, Nagato, and Madara did it for what they thought was the world's benefit too. I wouldn't call them evil. They just have a different sense of right and wrong, of what they believe is justified and what isn't. In their mind, a few hundred or thousand of lives means nothing when they think they would be saving millions or billions. Is a person in reality considered evil if he lets a couple hundred people die if he knows he will save millions in the end? The case is similar but only different because people like Madara and Obito chose such a fate rather than simply deciding out of two choices.

Nagato - Killed hundreds of people and destroyed a village to obtain his hand on nuclear monsters to blow up the world so they can feel his pain.

Obito - Wants to enslave humanity inside a Genjutsu taking their free will.

Madara - Same as Obito. And, Madara already admitted he takes pleasure in crushing skulls.

If you think that's anywhere near peaceful, then you have issues. WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT WHAT THE VILLAINS SEE FOR THE WORLD. THEY ARE NOT THE PEOPLE WHO SEES WHAT THE WORLD SHOULD BE. THE WORLD SEES THEM AS EVIL PEOPLE. What is so hard to comprehend.​

 

[Joker]

Lmfao at people saying Orochimaru changed, and is good. He's always been like this, it's practically in his nature. He's analyzing the situation, figuring out what he wants to do. He's an enigma, judging him based on current events is neigh impossible, as stated in the Databook he has not chance of redemption.
OT: Madara, Orochimaru, Gato, Hidan, wouldn't really say Kazuzu, isn't he just like that because of his village..?

 

[Chihaya]

Orochimaru is evil to me.

Depending on the person's perspective. Different people are evil.
Example: My ex-boyfriend is evil cause he had spread rumors.
To his current girlfriend, he's not evil but amazing.

Right? Yeah. So evil can be looked at in different ways. Orochimaru to Kabuto, isn't evil.
To me, he's sick and I hate him for biting sasuke and being the reason the hokage died, blah blah blah.

 

[Its sasukebase]

Orochimaru is evil to me.

Depending on the person's perspective. Different people are evil.
Example: My ex-boyfriend is evil cause he had spread rumors.
To his current girlfriend, he's not evil but amazing.

Right? Yeah. So evil can be looked at in different ways. Orochimaru to Kabuto, isn't evil.
To me, he's sick and I hate him for biting sasuke and being the reason the hokage died, blah blah blah.

bad example

 

[BK 201]

Nagato - Killed hundreds of people and destroyed a village to obtain his hand on nuclear monsters to blow up the world so they can feel his pain.

Obito - Wants to enslave humanity inside a Genjutsu taking their free will.

Madara - Same as Obito. And, Madara already admitted he takes pleasure in crushing skulls.

If you think that's anywhere near peaceful, then you have issues. WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT WHAT THE VILLAINS SEE FOR THE WORLD. THEY ARE NOT THE PEOPLE WHO SEES WHAT THE WORLD SHOULD BE. THE WORLD SEES THEM AS EVIL PEOPLE. What is so hard to comprehend.​

I made no denial that the world sees them as evil people. It's quite obvious their actions are wrong and should never be duplicated, don't see why you're getting your panties in a knot. No need for caps man, just have a civil debate.

And yes, everything you said is true but that's only half to story for each of them. For Nagato, he did that so that people would stop having wars, he did it to create what Naruto called fake "peace". But it was something Nagato considered peace. Do evil people want peace? No, they could care less about that. The same with Madara and Obito. Why did they want to enslave and take away free will? So that they could prevent wars and unhappiness. They went to such extreme measures so that people would no longer feel sad, so they even the dead can be alive and so that they could create peace for everyone. A twisted form of peace, yes, but it was something they felt was right, something they felt to where the ends justified the means.

Madara may enjoy killing people but he's done in for what he felt was a higher cause. Madara even calls himself the savior of the world. Does an evil person care about being a savior? No, but Madara certainly seems to think of himself as one. That's my point. These 3 may seem evil to others but to themselves, they thought of themselves as people who would bring peace to the world. And I've never heard of an evil person wanting to bring peace but only chaos. That's my point.

 

[Bronze]

I made no denial that the world sees them as evil people. It's quite obvious their actions are wrong and should never be duplicated, don't see why you're getting your panties in a knot. No need for caps man, just have a civil debate.

1st, this isn't a debate. Its a discussion.
2nd, yes, you have issues if you believe evil is defined from their inner selves and not physically.​

And yes, everything you said is true but that's only half to story for each of them. For Nagato, he did that so that people would stop having wars, he did it to create what Naruto called fake "peace". But it was something Nagato considered peace. Do evil people want peace? No, they could care less about that. The same with Madara and Obito. Why did they want to enslave and take away free will? So that they could prevent wars and unhappiness. They went to such extreme measures so that people would no longer feel sad, so they even the dead can be alive and so that they could create peace for everyone. A twisted form of peace, yes, but it was something they felt was right, something they felt to where the ends justified the means.

Understand the definition of peace. Peace means no bullying, abusive language or anything that involves violence. Nagato creating the so called ''peace'' where he blows world up is not true peace. He himself said there is no true peace. Any other denial going against the character's own words. Taking people's will away from them is evil. Doesn't get any simpler than that.​

Madara may enjoy killing people but he's done in for what he felt was a higher cause. Madara even calls himself the savior of the world. Does an evil person care about being a savior? No, but Madara certainly seems to think of himself as one. That's my point. These 3 may seem evil to others but to themselves, they thought of themselves as people who would bring peace to the world. And I've never heard of an evil person wanting to bring peace but only chaos. That's my point.

Killing people and laughing about it is evil, always evil and forever evil. Doesn't get any simpler than that. Show me where Madara called himself a ''savior''?​

 

[BK 201]

1st, this isn't a debate. Its a discussion.
2nd, yes, you have issues if you believe evil is defined from their inner selves and not physically.​

Understand the definition of peace. Peace means no bullying, abusive language or anything that involves violence. Nagato creating the so called ''peace'' where he blows world up is not true peace. He himself said there is no true peace. Any other denial going against the character's own words. Taking people's will away from them is evil. Doesn't get any simpler than that.​

Killing people and laughing about it is evil, always evil and forever evil. Doesn't get any simpler than that. Show me where Madara called himself a ''savior''?​

You knew what I meant. This discussion is going nowhere cause it comes down what me and you define as evil and peace. Like I said before, I agree with what you said about their actions being evil. But none of that takes away from what I said, they all felt they what they were doing was for the greater good. Yes Nagato said there was no such thing as true peace but that certainly didn't prevent him from taking drastic measures of what he thought would bring peace in the form of an illusion. And Madara calls Obito a savior back when he first recruited him and back in 665 page 11, and he mentions that Obito is basically like him, he even calls Obito "Madara".

Like I said before, their actions are evil. But they performed these evil tasks because they felt that in the end, it was for the right cause and that's why I'm saying they aren't evil. Sure there actions aren't peaceful to lead to "peace" in the Narutoverse but it was something they strived for in each of their actions.

Edit: I'm not trying to justify their evil actions btw. I'm just establishing why I feel that these characters are not necessarily evil. Actions don't always equal how a person really is.

 

[Xāvî1]

Hidan/Kakuzu.

Just off top of my head.

This/ Thread

 

[Uchiha420]

lol @ people who dont consider Madara evil

Madara
Hidan
Deidara
Kakuzu
Sasori
Part 1 Gaara
Orochimaru

Rest fall toward the grey area