[SPOILER] Code Geass

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I finished watching Code Geass lately and as I am, not beeing able to stop thinking about this anime, I just wanted to start a litte discussion about it.

First off I have to say that despite I haven't watched many Animes yet I have to say that probobly only a rare amount of Animes is going to be able to compete or be better than Code Geass.
The Characters personalities, the developement of them, the plot. Everything was just top-notch. Especially my now favourite Character of all time - C.C.

And the end was just the icing on the cake. I even spoiled myself somehow reading that Lelouch is going to die, but I didn't expect that kind of a death. All in all, Code Geass is just one of those animes that want you to have your memory erased so you can watch it again to feel the same feelings again....
I also think Lelouch isn't dead and C.C. is still immortal like he is now... and I know this has probably been discussed a hundred times but I just want to hear your opinions about it
And here is my theory why:
  • C.C. was seen praying in the curch, because Lelouch was going to be immortal and cried most likely because of the fate of the eternal life. She was saying "The price you are going to pay for using your Geass on them is a dear one..."
  • The last scene on the carriage proves it even more. C.C. wasn't talking to herself, she never was, not even in the whole series. She was always talking to Marianne who was telepathically connected to her, because she was still alive and got the Geass from C.C. She tilts her head back towards the driver and talked to Lelouch, the carriage driver, as she was asking "Right, Lelouch?"
  • - C.C. was always alone and never had people who really loved her. The poeple she gave the Geass to always started hating her because of what she did. But not Lelouch, that's why she started having feelings for him, like she said, she had never met a man like him before. And she was finally happy that somebody truely loved her, which was also her true wish, it wasn't really to die, but it was to be loved, that's why she also got the Geass that made people love here. And I don't think after loosing Lelouch, the first man who truely loved her, she would be happy lying on the cart, right? Only when Lelouch was on her side, right? The only time she was smiling was when she talked with Lelouch. She was also talking on how the Geass, the power of kings, would condemn you to a live of solitude but that wasn't quite right. That was said because C.C. always lost the people she loved and now Lelouch is immortal as well they are sharing this fate, and therefore they are no longer lonely.
  • Early in the anime series, Nunnally gives her brother Lelouch a pink origami crane, which was taught to her by the japanese maid. This origami crane can be found on the cart next to CC. You may say "it's CC's to remind her of Lelouch". But let's be logical. That crane was a special keepsake to Lelouch, and it's very very doubtful that he even showed it to anyone else beforehand. Logic dictates that he's alive and takes that origami around with him to remind him of Nunnally, while he lives forever with CC.
  • - Lelouch got the Code as he killed charles, he obtained the highest level of the geass, which gives you the power to obtain the code, he did not kill him directly but he still did by forcing the gods to kill him, or he got it as Charles choked him. And the code first got activated as he was killed by Suzaku, that also explains why Nunnally had the memory exchange when Lelouch was dying in front of her for the first time. And you can have a code and a Geass at the same time, Lelouch got the Code from C.C. but the Code from Charles -> therefore "Code Geass"
  • Also everybody with a Code in this series has double letters. C.C. -> C2. V.V. -> V2. In Japan they call L.L. (Lelouch Lamperouge) R.R. -> R2.
  • C.C. didn't loose her Code, she just "locked" in her self as Charles was trying to take it. and afterwards Marianne activated it again, because as Charles was activating the Sword of akasha we were able to see her sign on the forehead again and she didn't loose it afterwards. In the ending you are just not able to see the sign but she still does have it.


Many people say the directors want the viewer to decide whether he lives or doesn't. There is also an interview with the directors who say that Lelouch is dead. But honestly... I think the director just wants to fool us around, he also said the relationship between C.C. and Lelouch is noting special, but how do you want to explain all the events that have taken place between them and that she kissed him and smiled for the first time in a long, long while?^^ It's just random thoughts but non the less...

Whether he really died and sacrificed hiself for peace or he only died symbolic for the peace doesn't matter to me. So I accept both of these endings... just like the one where he lives way more... probably because I'm a little ****** and want to see C.C. and Lelouch beeing happy. :yayy:

So it is has gotten a little long I know, but this was just all I was thinking about since finishing the Anime. And I know that this all is just a theory and we have no true evidence of this, we only saw Lelouch beeing killed, but the theory is plausible.
 

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i Have to say i totally Agree.!!
 

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I know man, u just finished this so your emotions are still fresh and all that.
But the truth is we simply don't know if he survived or if he is actually death

it's an open ending, there is no debate, u are free to believe in what u wish for the most
 

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The writers said that it's up for the viewers to decide wether or not Lelouche is dead.

Personally, he could've taken the code from his father.

a) V.V. was dying, therefore Charles took the code.
b) Code didn't activate until Charles was shot by Lelouche. (or rather by himself, geass controle and everything)
c) charles nearly dying, grants immortality.

If we fit that same thing on lelouche...he has a chance of having charles' code.
 

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The author made left it to us to decide whether he died or not. I prefer to believe that he died. It makes the story more dramatic and sticks to Lelouch's 'the only ones who are allowed to kill are those who are willing to be killed' quote he made in the first episode. Him surviving would be too much of a happy ending.

One thing I don't like about this is that they didn't really give Lelouch a difficult rival. Sure, they hyped Schneizel up to be really good - and he was not bad - but he was nothing like L to Light. That's my only criticism and Code Geass is my 3rd favourite series.
 

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It had one of the best endings in an anime.
I personally like to believe lelouch died.
 

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I never really understood why people like CC so much .. To me, she was quite a plane and insolvent character; never managing to provoke my sympathy or affinity.
It was also hard for me to reach the final episodes, which were the only exciting ones in my opinion.
Apart from that, I understant your feelings. At the end the anime is quite striking, so it is normal for it to provoke various emotions.
 

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i Have to say i totally Agree.!!

Thanks :D
I know man, u just finished this so your emotions are still fresh and all that.
But the truth is we simply don't know if he survived or if he is actually death

it's an open ending, there is no debate, u are free to believe in what u wish for the most
Yeah like I said I accept both endings, but I just couldn't stop thinking about so I wanted to post this
The writers said that it's up for the viewers to decide wether or not Lelouche is dead.

Personally, he could've taken the code from his father.

a) V.V. was dying, therefore Charles took the code.
b) Code didn't activate until Charles was shot by Lelouche. (or rather by himself, geass controle and everything)
c) charles nearly dying, grants immortality.

If we fit that same thing on lelouche...he has a chance of having charles' code.
That's exactly what I was thinking yeah. So it would only be plausible. Still we have no evidence but I believe in the living lelouch^^
The author made left it to us to decide whether he died or not. I prefer to believe that he died. It makes the story more dramatic and sticks to Lelouch's 'the only ones who are allowed to kill are those who are willing to be killed' quote he made in the first episode. Him surviving would be too much of a happy ending.

One thing I don't like about this is that they didn't really give Lelouch a difficult rival. Sure, they hyped Schneizel up to be really good - and he was not bad - but he was nothing like L to Light. That's my only criticism and Code Geass is my 3rd favourite series.
True that about his death. I think I want to see him living more because if I was in his situation I would have made it look like I died, so I can live with C.C. In peace (I know gay, but I just empathize with Lelouch so much, and bring my own feelings in it)
Yeah the final battle and the fight against Schneizel was kind of tense but not the same as Light against L yeah.
It had one of the best endings in an anime.
I personally like to believe lelouch died.
Like I said I think both are plausible. But I just believe in mine more ^^
I never really understood why people like CC so much .. To me, she was quite a plane and insolvent character; never managing to provoke my sympathy or affinity.
It was also hard for me to reach the final episodes, which were the only exciting ones in my opinion.
Apart from that, I understant your feelings. At the end the anime is quite striking, so it is normal for it to provoke various emotions.
I don't know it was just that you could tell what she was going through all the time when you get deeper into the series and you could tell how Lelouch affected her feelings and everything she was just a great character IMO.
 

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i want to watch this again but at the same time i cant
 

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i want to watch this again but at the same time i cant

I know how you feel. I already want to watch it again as well even though I just finished it ^^
Why are you not able to watch it again?^^
 

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I know how you feel. I already want to watch it again as well even though I just finished it ^^
Why are you not able to watch it again?^^

i dont know maybe im lazy i have the time atm but my body just wont go to animeget.com

or Maybe i hated something in there i don't remember but my body wont forget lol
 
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