Sasuke becoming Hokage, troll or not troll?

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I was just making a comparison that i assume many on here can understand. Sasuke is a traitor, plain and simple. There is no cultural confusion. The reason I brought up Benedict Arnold is because I assume the majority of people know who he is and understand what happened with him. Treason very much exists in eastern culture, and they understand it would be absolute BS to give a traitor any power.

The problem is so many mangaka, especially shonen mangaka, have this extreme idealistic thing going on and just don't understand how the world works. Kishi is by far the most guilty of the main shonen mangaka out now. You can't just TnJ villains. Can you imagine Luffy TnJ'ing Lucci? Or Ichigo TnJ'ing Aizen? Knowing Kishi, it wouldn't shock me in the slightest if the Naruto world just forgives Sasuke for everything he did. I mean the So6P did, so why wouldn't everyone else? But the Naruto world doesn't have the mindset of the real world the way series like One Piece and Bleach do, so it's hard for me to take the series seriously anymore. It has absolutely nothing to do with culture.

u don't know japanese society and history niether do i.
yes sasuke is traitor but its kishi's manga so its his right to decide what he does.
u don't like TNJ no one does actually.
kishi screwed yes he did imo.
and both us r hypocrite if we say we r not gonna read nxt ch.
Naruto forgived obito so why not sasuke.
One piece and Bleach do not influence this topic every writer has his style and kishi has his.
imo naruto should become hokage no he will become hokage but reality is i m biased and my opinion too like everyone
Just wait too see how kishi delivers finale rather than deciding kishi is a troll or bad writer on your own
 
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Actually.. The Naruto world is based of the idealistic view that our world could use some off. Mutual understanding and forgiveness. That is why Sasuke will be forgiven and understood.

And that's the absolute wrong way to go about things. So should we forgive people who commit heinous crimes? If you've ever seen the movie Hero, I think the way the Emperor handles Jet Li's character (I forget his name) is the ideal way to do things. There's no point of laws if they aren't going to be followed. If you're going to jut forgive everyone, there's no point of having rules/laws. I'm not saying to not try and have mutual understanding, but Sasuke crossed a very clear line, and now he's beyond forgiveness. If he were still his angsty self in the village trying to figure himself out and perhaps made a few mistakes with the team, fine, I can forgive that. But once he left the village on his own accord knowing exactly what he was doing and whom he was joining up with, he crossed that line and went beyond forgiveness.

And, as I said in my later post, this mutual understanding BS is this idealistc nonsense that just doesn't fly in the real world. Mutual understanding doesn't work the way Naruto looks at it. The threat of destroying another nation does. The only reason diplomacy works is because of the threat of action.

The other problem I have with the series is how Danzo is portrayed. I think Danzo's basic principles are sound. The problem is they made his views so extreme and he was a literal obstructionist. He cared more about his way than success. I think Danzo's viewpoints on some things like the (non-canon?) recent anime portrayal of the Uchiha massacre and everything behind it were sound. The problem is how he went about things and just obstructed progress like stealing the eye that could've stopped the massacre. I think he was right in how he viewed the Uchiha and how he handed much of the situation like keeping a very close eye on them. However, he went well beyond that and any legitimacy in his views were tainted.

At the same time, they take an extreme idealist like Hiruzen and make him seem to be some saint like figure when he was just a naive fool. So many issues could've been avoided if he just had the effing balls to kill Orochimaru when he had the chance. He knew exactly what kind of demon Orochimaru had become, but he just let him go. And because of that, countless lives were lost, countless families were destroyed in things like the kidnappings and such, and who knows what other kind of collateral damage. And Danzo knew exactly that. Hell, even Hiruzen admitted he was weak. The problem is in spite of that, he's not viewed with any sort of negative light. Where even if Danzo only did a fraction of the bad things he did, he'd still be looked at negatively.

That's the problem i have with this series. It's way too idealistic and can't appreciate any sort of realistic view. I'm not saying to be an extreme obstructinoist like Danzo, but I do think you have to look at and appreciate the "darker" side of things.
 

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Ironically I can see him becoming a second Danzo.
 
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To those insisting that Sasuke becomes Hokage coz Naruto is an idiot and can't strategize:

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Yeah, and what happens if there's a dire emergency? What happens if the village is being invaded and Shikamaru can't be reached for 15 minutes and Naruto has to come to a decision in two? Part of being hokage is being the last line of defense and making those split-second decisions like Hiruzen did during the Kyuubi invasion and Tsunade during the Pain invasion where you just don't have time to console anyone for advice. If you need to rely so heavily on someone like Shikamaru, then why not just make Shikamaru hokage? Naruto's an idiot, and having him be the last line of defense in a dire situation like the Pain invasion or the Kyuubi invasion is a recipe for disaster. And it's not even like Naruto's an idiot with good instincts like Luffy from One Piece or Shin from Kingdom, Naruto is an idiot who's plain incompetent in making major decisions like this. And that's the truth. Knowing Naruto, if Konoha started being rained on by burning meteors, he'd just try and TnJ the meteors >.>
 

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Does it even proof anything
naruto says sakura is his gf so by ur logic ur sig is worthless
 

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Ironically I can see him becoming a second Danzo.

bro at least provide a point to support ur statement
sasuke is currently cooperating with naruto
Danzo nvr cooperated
 

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Lol why not? You think that it doesn't suit him? He has this darkness and by becoming like Danzo he would have power over the anbu. That way he will have authority but up to the point it will be allowed to him by Naruto, the hokage the villagers want. And that's why it's so ironic, Sasuke killed Danzo for being the one who ordered the massacre of the Uchiha, yet their ideals become more and more similar. Sasuke acts based on his own sense of right, so did Danzo.
 

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bro at least provide a point to support ur statement
sasuke is currently cooperating with naruto
Danzo nvr cooperated

Check below and as for the cooperation, they're in the middle of a fight against the strongest living being, it's not like they have another choice XD
 

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Does it even proof anything?
It proves your claim that "Naruto forgave Obito" wrong

OMG!!!!
U mean the "force" within "I can't forgive you, you must accept your punishment" is equal to the "force" in "umm, she's..um kinnda my gf". Naruto himself knows that Sakura loves Sasuke. But i don't wanna talk about pair shippings cause the thread is about sth else
 
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Lol why not? You think that it doesn't suit him? He has this darkness and by becoming like Danzo he would have power over the anbu. That way he will have authority but up to the point it will be allowed to him by Naruto, the hokage the villagers want. And that's why it's so ironic, Sasuke killed Danzo for being the one who ordered the massacre of the Uchiha, yet their ideals become more and more similar. Sasuke acts based on his own sense of right, so did Danzo.

seriously
which ch r u reading currently
 

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OMG!!!!
U mean the "force" within "I can't forgive you, you must accept your punishment" is equal to the "force" in "umm, she's..um kinnda my gf". Naruto himself knows that Sakura loves Sasuke. But i don't wanna talk about pair shippings cause the thread is about sth else

lol don't be rusled
i mean naruto forgives everyone his statements r just contradiction like nagato's case.
also why should he forgive sasuke ???????
 

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Lol why not? You think that it doesn't suit him? He has this darkness and by becoming like Danzo he would have power over the anbu. That way he will have authority but up to the point it will be allowed to him by Naruto, the hokage the villagers want. And that's why it's so ironic, Sasuke killed Danzo for being the one who ordered the massacre of the Uchiha, yet their ideals become more and more similar. Sasuke acts based on his own sense of right, so did Danzo.

you're looking at the surface I think =D
 

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lol don't be rusled
i mean naruto forgives everyone his statements r just contradiction like nagato's case.
also why should he forgive sasuke ???????

Nagato turned good and tried to compensate for what he did (rinne tensei)
Similarly, Naruto expects Obito to accept his punishment and try to compensate for what he have done (which he's doing)
 

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which ch r u reading currently

Lol I say what Kishi himself stated, check the interview that was posted in this thread. If you were to judge them objectively, based on what do they currently differ? Each of them was always doing what they thought was right, Danzo for the village, Sasuke for his clan's pride but they were doing it without taking into consideration anything else because they always thought that they were doing the correct thing. The only difference is that Sasuke now listened to the Hokages and has a clearer image of the whole story but he still acts based on what he himself thinks as correct without caring for anyone's opinion. So did Danzo with the differnece that his power was limited by the Hokage while Sasuke's by none. At the end of the day, even now he still continued in believing that he's always correct about everything. He said that he will become hokage whether they like it or not and he wanted to kill the Juubi despite Naruto asking him not to. His aim might have changed but not his set of mind.
 
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Then please enlighten me lol.

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Sasuke killed Danzo, If he becomes like him, then it's like as if he has killed himself
 

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Lol I say what Kishi himself stated, check the interview that was posted in this thread. If you were to judge them objectively, based on what do they currently differ? Each of them was always doing what they thought was right, Danzo for the village, Sasuke for his clan's pride but they were doing it without taking into consideration anything else because they always thought that they were doing the correct thing. The only difference is that Sasuke now listened to the Hokages and has a clearer image of the whole story but he still acts based on what he himself thinks as correct without caring for anyone's opinion. So did Danzo with the differnece that his power was limited by the Hokage while Sasuke by none. At the end of the day, even now he still continued in believing that he's always correct about everything. He said that he will become hokage wether they like it or not and he wated to kill the Juubi despite Naruto asking him not to. His aim might have changed but not his set of mind.

The diff is sasuke mindset is to preserve his brothers ideals and to show how real kage handles a village and danzo was that ONLY he is allowed to do anything.
sasuke is trying to not let what happened to him to anyone danzo's was destroy anyone or anything that is barrier against his motives
 

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He us redemptive in his own way (wants to eradicate the bijuus to bring peace.) That thoughts of his will lead to Naruto vs Sasuke.

If he ever claims the seat, it is gonna be in pair with Naruto, 6th and 7th Hokages, rewriting Hashi and Madz past mistakes.

No way in hell he is soloing as Hokage.
 
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