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8th gate gai stomps him. Even 7th gate gai has a chance.....

Plz,8th gate obviously utterly stomps Minato.Minato clearly proved himself to be able to follow 8th gate and canonically countered 8th gate speed which puts everything 7th gate can offer into shame.Iam not saying that Minato can do somthing against 8th gate because of that feat but if you still belive that 7th gate has a chance against him even after witnessing such a feat then you are fooling yourself.


Minato's speed isn't actually speed. It's instant teleportation. Which means Gai isn't keeping up with it. Minato wins any scenario. Even 8th gate Gai has a hard time beating Minato. 7th gate Gai doesn't stand a chance.
Evening elephant ends this match,Minato stands no chance against 8th gate.
 
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Urgh, how can you not see he wasn't going at full speed? I don't get it.
 

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Urgh, how can you not see he wasn't going at full speed? I don't get it.

I don't get how exactly you guys came to that conclusion when Manga clearly said that it was his top speed.If you are saying that because Madara found an openinig then it was because Gai's final attack wasn't a long range attack like EE that's it.

I know that I can't change your mind but I guess you can agree with the fact that his speed is still above everything 7th gate can offer.
 

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I don't get how exactly you guys came to that conclusion when Manga clearly said that it was his top speed.If you are saying that because Madara found an openinig then it was because Gai's final attack wasn't a long range attack like EE that's it.

I know that I can't change your mind but I guess you can agree with the fact that his speed is still above everything 7th gate can offer.
Where did the manga say it was his top speed? If you're referring to what Lee said about it being a continuous attack going from speeds 1-5 then I assure you he was talking about striking speed, not movement speed.

No, I'm pretty sure Hirudora still kills Minato. The only reason you're arguing against that is because you believe Minato's reactions > Rikudo Madara's reactions.
 

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Where did the manga say it was his top speed? If you're referring to what Lee said about it being a continuous attack going from speeds 1-5 then I assure you he was talking about striking speed, not movement speed.

I don't know from where you pulled that striking speed conclusion.You can clearly see Gai's speed changing after every attack and now you are telling me that he was talking about striking speed? 5th attakc of Gai purely relies on his movement speed yet you think he was talking about striking speed?



No, I'm pretty sure Hirudora still kills Minato. The only reason you're arguing against that is because you believe Minato's reactions > Rikudo Madara's reactions.
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Stop it bro,this is a bad joke.:yeah: When did I said Minato's reactions are better than Madara? I have clearly explained how Madara reacted in time and why his that attack missed.You don't need Madara level reactions to counter Hirudora.If anything you are trying so hard to put Minato in same condition as Madara to say that he fails against Gai which is not going to happend considering the fact that Minato isn't dumb enough to fight gates head on.

Lets stop that 8th gate speed argument as we are not going anywhere with it. Minato canonically countered a speed which is far above 7th gate which is more than enough proof to say that Minato laughs at everything 7th gate can offer.Simple as this.


 

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I don't know from where you pulled that striking speed conclusion.You can clearly see Gai's speed changing after every attack and now you are telling me that he was talking about striking speed? 5th attakc of Gai purely relies on his movement speed yet you think he was talking about striking speed?
Why would it rely on movement speed when EE is to do with strikes? How does that even make sense? Gai's speed actually decreased in his 5th Step, evident by Madara not reacting to any of his other Steps [ ] but then he suddenly reacts to his 5th Step. So how did his speed increase if Madara couldn't react to his other Steps but could against his final Step?

Furthermore, his Truth-Seeker Orbs traveled faster than 8G Gai did in his final Step [ ], and that doesn't make sense when 5G Lee's already beaten those Orbs in speed [ ], so does that mean 5G Lee's faster than 8G Gai?

On top of that, Gai only took one step. The next time he took a step was after Minato had teleported out with Madara's Truth-Seeker Orbs [ ][ ]. You can clearly see it's that same left leg outstretched, so he wasn't running. The next time he uses his other leg is when he connects his 5th Step with Madara [ ]. You can see there his right leg's outstretched, meaning he used that leg to take another step. How can you say that was his fastest speed when he wasn't running?

And another thing, 6G Lee knew exactly where to throw his kunai [ ], so he must have taken into account 8G Gai's speed and the speed of the Truth-Seeker Orbs, so that means he was following 8G Gai. Does that also mean 6G Lee can react to 8G Gai?

If you're gonna ask why he would slow down, lemme note that he already had Madara incapacitated and no longer needed to use his full speed [ ].

There's so many points supporting the fact that 8G Gai wasn't going at full speed, it's not even funny. 8G Gai was also kicking up air currents at his fastest speed yet nothing changed in the air when he moved to attack Madara in his 5th Step.
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Stop it bro,this is a bad joke.:yeah: When did I said Minato's reactions are better than Madara? I have clearly explained how Madara reacted in time and why his that attack missed.You don't need Madara level reactions to counter Hirudora.If anything you are trying so hard to put Minato in same condition as Madara to say that he fails against Gai which is not going to happend considering the fact that Minato isn't dumb enough to fight gates head on.

Lets stop that 8th gate speed argument as we are not going anywhere with it. Minato canonically countered a speed which is far above 7th gate which is more than enough proof to say that Minato laughs at everything 7th gate can offer.Simple as this.
You're saying Minato's canonically dodged 8G Gai's speed (which isn't true) when Madara canonically hasn't. Meaning? You're saying Minato has faster reactions than 8G Gai. Madara's attack missed because he didn't strike in time. Saying that Madara was moving back so his attack missed is a really poor argument tbh, especially when you consider the fact that he was moving backwards because Gai was making contact with his punches. He stopped making contact with his punches because he stopped to form the Hirudora hand seal, so therefore Madara stopped moving back. Plus, the gap between Gai and Madara was miniscule [ ][ ]. You can clearly see in that second scan that Madara's strike hadn't completely followed through, and it would have hit Gai if it did follow through.

lol, he didn't canonically dodge 8G Gai's speed. Using that logic, it means 6G Lee can also react to 8G Gai. Hirudora's range is massive, so he doesn't need Minato to attack him head on for Hirudora to connect with Minato. He can use it anywhere he wants and it'll hit Minato, unless he teleports to a kunai that's out of Hirudora's range, which won't happen since Hirudora explodes quicker than Minato's reaction speed.
 

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Urgh, how can you not see he wasn't going at full speed? I don't get it.
Lmao that guy can't read..don't waste your time...usual Minato wank..I won't even waste my time

"Gai ain't hitting Minato if he teleports in front of him and teleports away"....lool retarded as hell...also he's ignoring the fact Lee threw the kunai....so what if Minato teleported there...the fact that lee threw the kunai is what matters the most...

smh doesn't just know when to stop
 

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Minato's speed isn't actually speed. It's instant teleportation. Which means Gai isn't keeping up with it. Minato wins any scenario. Even 8th gate Gai has a hard time beating Minato. 7th gate Gai doesn't stand a chance.

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Lmao that guy can't read..don't waste your time...usual Minato wank..I won't even waste my time

"Gai ain't hitting Minato if he teleports in front of him and teleports away"....lool retarded as hell...also he's ignoring the fact Lee threw the kunai....so what if Minato teleported there...the fact that lee threw the kunai is what matters the most...

smh doesn't just know when to stop

Lee throwing the kunai is irrelevant in 1 vs 1 situation you are focusing on that which doesn't matter at all in 1 vs 1 kid .You are making excuses how Gai wasn't going at full speed rofl what about Minato being an edo and not in his full power and etc ? Shall we start to make excuses just like you ?
 

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Why would it rely on movement speed when EE is to do with strikes? How does that even make sense? Gai's speed actually decreased in his 5th Step, evident by Madara not reacting to any of his other Steps [ ] but then he suddenly reacts to his 5th Step. So how did his speed increase if Madara couldn't react to his other Steps but could against his final Step?

Furthermore, his Truth-Seeker Orbs traveled faster than 8G Gai did in his final Step [ ], and that doesn't make sense when 5G Lee's already beaten those Orbs in speed [ ], so does that mean 5G Lee's faster than 8G Gai?

On top of that, Gai only took one step. The next time he took a step was after Minato had teleported out with Madara's Truth-Seeker Orbs [ ][ ]. You can clearly see it's that same left leg outstretched, so he wasn't running. The next time he uses his other leg is when he connects his 5th Step with Madara [ ]. You can see there his right leg's outstretched, meaning he used that leg to take another step. How can you say that was his fastest speed when he wasn't running?

And another thing, 6G Lee knew exactly where to throw his kunai [ ], so he must have taken into account 8G Gai's speed and the speed of the Truth-Seeker Orbs, so that means he was following 8G Gai. Does that also mean 6G Lee can react to 8G Gai?

If you're gonna ask why he would slow down, lemme note that he already had Madara incapacitated and no longer needed to use his full speed [ ].

There's so many points supporting the fact that 8G Gai wasn't going at full speed, it's not even funny. 8G Gai was also kicking up air currents at his fastest speed yet nothing changed in the air when he moved to attack Madara in his 5th Step.

You're saying Minato's canonically dodged 8G Gai's speed (which isn't true) when Madara canonically hasn't. Meaning? You're saying Minato has faster reactions than 8G Gai. Madara's attack missed because he didn't strike in time. Saying that Madara was moving back so his attack missed is a really poor argument tbh, especially when you consider the fact that he was moving backwards because Gai was making contact with his punches. He stopped making contact with his punches because he stopped to form the Hirudora hand seal, so therefore Madara stopped moving back. Plus, the gap between Gai and Madara was miniscule [ ][ ]. You can clearly see in that second scan that Madara's strike hadn't completely followed through, and it would have hit Gai if it did follow through.

lol, he didn't canonically dodge 8G Gai's speed. Using that logic, it means 6G Lee can also react to 8G Gai. Hirudora's range is massive, so he doesn't need Minato to attack him head on for Hirudora to connect with Minato. He can use it anywhere he wants and it'll hit Minato, unless he teleports to a kunai that's out of Hirudora's range, which won't happen since Hirudora explodes quicker than Minato's reaction speed.

Iam not going to waste anymore of my time with this as you guys are keep repeating same stuff again and again even though manga says otherwise.

I hope there is no need for me to explain the fact that Gai's speed is different from his attack speed as one comes under the category of normal speed where as one belongs to striking speed.Madara failed to counter the combination of 8th gate Gai's speed and his attack speed but he can defend himself against anyone of them and it was clearly proven by manga and .Gai did not use long range punch in step 5 which is why Madara found an opening that doesn't mean that Gai decreased his speed and there is no reason for Gai to do so.Simple as that.


Minato did countered 8th gate Gai's speed unless you can prove me that Gai wasn't using 8th gate and Minato avoiding 8th gate speed is different from Minato having better reactions than Gai and plz don't pull things out of nowhere.If you don't have a legit counter for my argument then you can always ignore it without posting a reply so plz don't twist my arguments for the sake of your own arguments.The rest of your argument is irrelevant and totally illogical as Lee never countered Gai's speed.

I have already requested you ignore that Gai's speed argument as we are going nowhere with it and Regardless of level of Gai's speed during that time Minato countered something far beyond the level of 7th gate and you guys are still desperately trying to argue against that point with no manga back up.

 
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Lee throwing the kunai is irrelevant in 1 vs 1 situation you are focusing on that which doesn't matter at all in 1 vs 1 kid .You are making excuses how Gai wasn't going at full speed rofl what about Minato being an edo and not in his full power and etc ? Shall we start to make excuses just like you ?

You're a clown...wasn't at full power?...lmao nice try

in a 1 vs 1 , if Minato wants to hit Gai won't he throw the kunai towards Gai?....what am I talking about...8th gates Gai blitz before minato does...another fanboy trying to support his precious minato...don't you guys understand that the speed at which the kunai would get to gai is important...gosh

look here...lee picked gai up before the kunai got there and also the orb and the kunai got there at the same time....Minato was going to teleport there and deal with the orb like he did afterwards..but lee picked him up first before the kunai got there so he couldn't cuz there wasn't any point

while when lee threw the kunai, it beat the orb even if the orbs were closer to gai than the kunai was...arghhh why is this hard to understand...yes minato teleported at the appropriate time but the speed of the kunai matters...I keep emphasizing on this because people keep saying because Minato teleported in front of Gai, he's faster or he can react to him

If we want to go by excuses, Gai was already weakened to begin with..so don't even try..the fact that you guys can't understand he wasn't going at constant speed since he had to kick up the air...and the fact that you guys don't understand that he had to go closer to madara to land a direct hit ..if not, Madara couldn't move...why didn't Gai just throw the last punch..
this is gai moving round
madara says he's fast
bottom left Gai kicks up the air
 

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You're a clown...wasn't at full power?...lmao nice try

in a 1 vs 1 , if Minato wants to hit Gai won't he throw the kunai towards Gai?....what am I talking about...8th gates Gai blitz before minato does...another fanboy trying to support his precious minato...don't you guys understand that the speed at which the kunai would get to gai is important...gosh

look here...lee picked gai up before the kunai got there and also the orb and the kunai got there at the same time....Minato was going to teleport there and deal with the orb like he did afterwards..but lee picked him up first before the kunai got there so he couldn't cuz there wasn't any point

while when lee threw the kunai, it beat the orb even if the orbs were closer to gai than the kunai was...arghhh why is this hard to understand...yes minato teleported at the appropriate time but the speed of the kunai matters...I keep emphasizing on this because people keep saying because Minato teleported in front of Gai, he's faster or he can react to him

If we want to go by excuses, Gai was already weakened to begin with..so don't even try..the fact that you guys can't understand he wasn't going at constant speed since he had to kick up the air...and the fact that you guys don't understand that he had to go closer to madara to land a direct hit ..if not, Madara couldn't move...why didn't Gai just throw the last punch..
this is gai moving round
madara says he's fast
bottom left Gai kicks up the air

Minato countered a speed which is far above 7th here . All he has to do is to avoid 7th gate Gai till he is exhausted and then it is over for Gai . And btw im not saying 8th gate Gai cannot defeat Minato im saying anything below 8th Gate < Minato now learn to live with that . And yes Edos are not on their full power or you are gonna deny the manga facts again ?
 

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Minato countered a speed which is far above 7th here . All he has to do is to avoid 7th gate Gai till he is exhausted and then it is over for Gai . And btw im not saying 8th gate Gai cannot defeat Minato im saying anything below 8th Gate < Minato now learn to live with that . And yes Edos are not on their full power or you are gonna deny the manga facts again ?

I know you guys are not saying he's stronger than 8th gates Gai...Minato> 7th gates but that's only if he keeps his distance

I'm saying Minato was able to counter that because Gai DIDN'T want to attack him and he only got there fast enough cuz of Lee
 

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lol, ignorance is bliss. Completely ignored all my points and wrote "Lee did not counter Gai's speed" when going by logic, that's exactly what he did. I'm not bothering with Minato debates anymore, you guys are too much.
 

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I know you guys are not saying he's stronger than 8th gates Gai...Minato> 7th gates but that's only if he keeps his distance

I'm saying Minato was able to counter that because Gai DIDN'T want to attack him and he only got there fast enough cuz of Lee

Well I'm not saying anything about close range combat cuz it is clear Gai will win in it . Yes Lee throwed the kunai I'm not denying that but Minato performed FTG twice to get the orbs away and he clearly said to Gai to keep going no matter what is happening so if Gai slowed down or not cannot be seen clearly .
 

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lol, ignorance is bliss. Completely ignored all my points and wrote "Lee did not counter Gai's speed" when going by logic, that's exactly what he did. I'm not bothering with Minato debates anymore, you guys are too much.

You know how they are lol.
 

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Minato who can barely react to Ay's blitz isn't reacting to someone who almost blitz Madara. Gai wins this.​
 

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lol, ignorance is bliss. Completely ignored all my points and wrote "Lee did not counter Gai's speed" when going by logic, that's exactly what he did. I'm not bothering with Minato debates anymore, you guys are too much.

:| Not sure if serious. I didn't ignored your points.I just didn't replied to it coz there is nothing new in that post exept that Lee part.

Says Minato didn't saved Gai even though we have manga scans that suggests otherwise.
Says Gai wasn't using full speed even though manga suggests otherwise.
Says Minato didn't get away from 8th gate speed even though he clearly did it in manga.
Says Lee countered Gai's speed when something like that never happend in manga.
Says Madara didn't reacted to Gai even though he swung his staff in time.
Says 7th gate is too fast for Minato when Minato clearly proved himself to be able to follow much faster opponent.

Now tell me should I take these points seriously or just ignore them?

 
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