[Discussion] Shinigami Aizen is the strongest (After Dangai Ichigo)

[Gaara Of The Death]

Shingami Aizen is most likley weaker than current Juha. But back then yeah.​

 

[bashkim]

Aizen was the second strongest Shinigami after Yamato. Have he needs Sokyoku if he were stronger than Yamamoto as Shinigami ?
He surpassed Yamato thanks to Sokyoku.
Nice but Ichigo is now stronger than anyone.

 

[Vapid]

When all factors are included (intelligence, strength, etc.), there are only four people who I am confident could (not saying they "would") beat Shinigami Aizen, excluding Dangai Ichigo:

• Yamamato - sheer overwhelming power, coupled with slightly above average intelligence
• Urahara - due to his superior intellect, as admitted by Aizen himself (though his strength would obviously play a significant part in beating Shinigami Aizen)
• Juha Bach - a toss-up, but I feel he could beat Shinigami Aizen
• Current Kenpachi - for obvious reasons, though his neglect of analyzing the situation and his surroundings would likely result in him being beat by someone as intelligent as Aizen

 

[A v i]

Do you know why Aizen created Wonderweiss?

But I was starting to get sick of people downplaying him (sometimes only but too often to my liking)

Aizen is by far most overrated character in BV.

Lol no. Just no. Yama's zanpakuto had more power. But Aizen wins mid diff with Kyoka in shikai. Don't get me started on his bankai, inbe4 he doesn't have bankai argument, he said he achieved his peak at a shinigami)

Which Aizen are you talking about? If you are referring to Aizen without Hogyoku then this is pure nonsense.Aizen with his shikai stands less than 0 chance against Yamaji.Base Isshin fought evenly with Base Aizen which indicates that there are people that can match his base battle capabilities.If you still think Aizen can do something against Yamaji without Hogyoku or Bankai then you are fooling yourself.

Naw he has no bankai he tricked people into thinking he had one to become a captian...

Not sure if you are being serious or just joking.Aizen without a doubt has bankai and it was clear as day Aizen went after hollowfication and shit only after achiving his peak as a shinigami.Aizens intelligence is only next to Urahara and his potential is far above most of the captain level shinigami in BV and you think someone of Aizens caliber never managed to master his bankai? Lets be serious here.

Aizen was the second strongest Shinigami after Yamato. Have he needs Sokyoku if he were stronger than Yamamoto as Shinigami ?
He surpassed Yamato thanks to Sokyoku.
Nice but Ichigo is now stronger than anyone.

It was Hogyoku not Sokyoku.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Do you know why Aizen created Wonderweiss?



Aizen is by far most overrated character in BV.

Which Aizen are you talking about? If you are referring to Aizen without Hogyoku then this is pure nonsense.Aizen with his shikai stands less than 0 chance against Yamaji.Base Isshin fought evenly with Base Aizen which indicates that there are people that can match his base battle capabilities.If you still think Aizen can do something against Yamaji without Hogyoku or Bankai then you are fooling yourself.




Not sure if you are being serious or just joking.Aizen without a doubt has bankai and it was clear as day Aizen went after hollowfication and shit only after achiving his peak as a shinigami.Aizens intelligence is only next to Urahara and his potential is far above most of the captain level shinigami in BV and you think someone of Aizens caliber never managed to master his bankai? Lets be serious here.




It was Hogyoku not Sokyoku.

By peak i think he meant his physical limits an not actual zanpacto....or he does have a bankai an he has to do another ritual like he had to do with his shikai inorder to make people fall under his spell an that's why he has not used it yet...thoes are my 2 guesses.

An the only reason isshin was putting up a fight against aizen was because his shinigami body was reaching its limits an the hogyoku was starting to take over.

 

[Goetia]

By peak i think he meant his physical limits an not actual zanpacto....or he does have a bankai an he has to do another ritual like he had to do with his shikai inorder to make people fall under his spell an that's why he has not used it yet...thoes are my 2 guesses.

Or, you know, he just didn't have to, uh, use it?

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Or, you know, he just didn't have to, uh, use it?

Yea you could be right.

 

[A v i]

By peak i think he meant his physical limits an not actual zanpacto....or he does have a bankai an he has to do another ritual like he had to do with his shikai inorder to make people fall under his spell an that's why he has not used it yet...thoes are my 2 guesses.

I don't get based on what factor you made this conclusion,no one ever said anything like reaching his peak means only physical growth nor did anyone implied it.Reaching his peak as a shinigami means Aizen managed to reach his peak in each and every aspect of a shinigami which includes his physical capabilities,swordsmanship,reiatsu,Kido,Shikai and Bankai.

An the only reason isshin was putting up a fight against aizen was because his shinigami body was reaching its limits an the hogyoku was starting to take over.

Aizen was perfectly alright when they started fighting.

 

[Goetia]

I don't get based on what factor you made this conclusion,no one ever said anything like reaching his peak means only physical growth nor did anyone implied it.Reaching his peak as a shinigami means Aizen managed to reach his peak in each and every aspect of a shinigami which includes his physical capabilities,swordsmanship,reiatsu,Kido,Shikai and Bankai.





Aizen was perfectly alright when they started fighting.

Aizen was in no way top condition when he began his fight with Isshin, he had just taken on captain class Shinigami and Vizards as well as been injured by Yamamoto and Ichigo. The Hogyoku was also beginning to reform his soul.

 

[A v i]

Aizen was in no way top condition when he began his fight with Isshin, he had just taken on captain class Shinigami and Vizards as well as been injured by Yamamoto and Ichigo. The Hogyoku was also beginning to reform his soul.

Plz,all Aizen did against caps is nothing more than child's play and Aizen only faced a lil difficulty with Yamaji.It wasn't a big deal for someone of Aizen's caliber not when he has all of their minds under the effect of KS.We can clearly see Aizen being perfectly alright while talking with Ichigo.Lets stop using lameass excuses to make him look better.

 

[Goetia]

Plz all Aizen did against caps is nothing more than child's play and Aizen only faced a lil difficulty with Yamaji.We can clearly see Aizen being perfectly alright while talking with Ichigo.Lets stop using lameass excuses.

There was no telling what the Hogyoku was doing to Aizen (save for the aforementioned 'reforming' of his soul), so saying that he was perfectly alright is incorrect. If manga facts are lameass, then so be it.

 

[A v i]

There was no telling what the Hogyoku was doing to Aizen (save for the aforementioned 'reforming' of his soul), so saying that he was perfectly alright is incorrect. If manga facts are lameass, then so be it.

There were no signs of Aizen getting weaker prior to his statement with Isshin which means that hogyoku started effecting Aizen during his battle with Isshin and Isshin's words about Aizen supports this point.your point isn't a manga fact no matter how badly you look at it.

 

[Shiroyasha]

Jesus ****ing Christ. Bankai Yamamoto would RAPE Aizen. If Juha, who's much much stronger than Aizen feared Zanka No Tachi, then what about Aizen?? Stop being an Aizen fanboy. Everyone loves Aizen, everyone agrees that he one of the most badass Villians, but he doesn't stand a chance against Zanka No Tachi. Aizen got his ass handed to him by Dangai Ichigo. He was so overconfident and incredibly stupid that he thought Ichigo somehow ''discarded'' his reiatsu, even though Ichigo actually didn't bring his spritual pressure down to Aizen's level of awareness, a technique which Aizen HIMSELF used.

Yamamoto feared that if he used his Bankai again, Soul Society would be destroyed instantly. Remember when he explained to a young Kyoraku that when he used his Bankai against Juha, things got much worse? He greatly feared it's destructive power, which is why even Unohana said that he should end the fight before he destroys Soul Society. And as for your claim that The Royal Guard are inferior to Aizen, that's absolutely ridiculous. The Royal Guard are tasked with protecting the Soul King and the Royal Family. If Aizen even stepped one foot into the palace, he'd be destroyed instantly. Just imagine, they're so strong that after Juha finished raping Soul Society, he gave the order to retreat as he knew the Zero division would arrive shortly. Don't get me wrong, i think Aizen's a master tactician and a wonderful Villain, but saying that he's stronger than Yamamoto is purely fanboyism.