[VS] Madara (3 tomoe) vs Third Raikage

[Apêx1]

^rustling jimmies fer dayz.

 

[Gold Lightning]

I hope you aren't serious......:|



Those are abilities, this is speed. Completely unrelated. Those abilities either come from his enhancement, or his eyes even though he did somethings that he couldn't usually do without them. (Susanoo) Absorbing chakra is a new ability he got from either taking Hashirama's DNA, getting Rinnegan, or some kind of mastery of an unknown jutsu. I think its the Rinnegan..

The main point is that his enhancements caused those new abilities to surface, his new enhancements have never affected anyone's speed so there is no reason they will no



He jumped off his feet and zoomed past Naruto and Sai towards Hashirama. It is as clear as day that this is speed. Naruto got sent flying backwards because:

1. Madara was strong enough to knock him backwards.

2. Madara ran into him while going toward Hashirama.

That scan doesn't suggest he's faster than Tobirama, it only shows he's much faster than Naruto, Sai, and the 3rd Raikage.

All those abilities he did not show when he was alive or Edo. Sorry but I'm not buying it, there is no way a regular Madara should be able to knock sage Naruto on his arse and blitz past him, nor should he be able to compete with Naruto on strength. This Madara is different somehow, whether it's because of the Senju DNA or because of the Rinnegan powers or whatever, I don't know.

The fact that there is no feat or scan of Madara ever using any speed comparable to this prior to him being resurrected in a real body says a lot. Even v2 would not outright blitz sm Naruto to the same degree as what Madara did there.

^rustling jimmies fer dayz.

Why don't you just explain how Madara wins instead of spouting your nonsense.

 

[Memento Mori]

Madara takes this easily

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Just Joking,Raikage roflstomps on 3T Madara
votes already said who is the winner tho

 

[KidGamer65]

All those abilities he did not show when he was alive or Edo. Sorry but I'm not buying it, there is no way a regular Madara should be able to knock sage Naruto on his arse and blitz past him, nor should he be able to compete with Naruto on strength. This Madara is different somehow, whether it's because of the Senju DNA or because of the Rinnegan powers or whatever, I don't know.

Why? Because you say so? Cause that is all I'm seeing right here. In that case you really have no argument.

-Senju DNA never increased anyone's speed.

-Rinnegan never increased anyone's speed.

The only conclusion is that Madara is fast. Simple as that.

The fact that there is no feat or scan of Madara ever using any speed comparable to this prior to him being resurrected in a real body says a lot. Even v2 would not outright blitz sm Naruto to the same degree as what Madara did there.

Edo Madara was stated and shown to be weaker than Madara with a real body, and the rest of your post only means that either you are simply wrong and Ay can outright blitz him, or that Madara is simply faster than Ay, but it is in no way, shape or form of evidence that Alive Madara can't do the same.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Why? Because you say so? Cause that is all I'm seeing right here. In that case you really have no argument.

-Senju DNA never increased anyone's speed.

-Rinnegan never increased anyone's speed.

The only conclusion is that Madara is fast. Simple as that.



Edo Madara was stated and shown to be weaker than Madara with a real body, and the rest of your post only means that either you are simply wrong and Ay can outright blitz him, or that Madara is simply faster than Ay, but it is in no way, shape or form of evidence that Alive Madara can't do the same.

Kabuto said he revived Madara in a state beyond his prime, EMS Madara was not stronger than Edo/Rinnegan Madara. From all that we've seen of Madara from when he was alive, there is no scan that even suggests he had such speed and strength then. Madara being stronger than sage mode Naruto in base (from before his death) is ridiculous. Madara was never praised for his speed and strength back in his prime days.

 

[Strict]

I feel like Madara could beat the Sandaime with 3 Tomoe. That's what I expect from the strongest Uchiha. After the Sandaime was disabled with a Genjutsu, he gets burned with a massive Katon.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Third Raikage lose scenario two, but win scenario one.

 

[Gold Lightning]

I feel like Madara could beat the Sandaime with 3 Tomoe. That's what I expect from the strongest Uchiha. After the Sandaime was disabled with a Genjutsu, he gets burned with a massive Katon.

Fire isn't burning him unless it's Amaterasu. The only basic element which can stop Raikage is wind affinity which Madara does not have.

Another "because it's Madara" post. I wonder how many more I'll see without a decent explanation.

 

[Strict]

Burning him is useless? Scan pls. His skin is hard, but that doesn't protect you from fire. Madara can btw. make a Juubi sized Katon. And Genjutsu will disable him and force him to let his guard off, in the same sense his Raiton armor. He has no counter to Genjutsu, he can't withstand Juubi sized Katon. You sound like you knew what the Sandaime is capable of to withstand.

 

[Draegod]

Madara is faster than the third Raikage. Madara can win it if he puts the sandaime in a genjutsu.

Then what? The 3rd can still tank what ever he uses and recover no diff. Madi' doesn't have a killing blow or seal to end the 3rd. He will literally be fighting just to waste time.

 

[End of Days]

Madara is much faster than SM naruto, [

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] who in turn was able to react to raikage's lightning armor. [scan not needed]

Naruto should've reacted to madara if the 3rd is faster than him.

Madara isnt faster than third raikage, Naruto reacted to him and blocked his punch and kick whatever

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His speed isnt so great that SM users cant react to it, else he would have long defeated Hashirama

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[Gold Lightning]

Burning him is useless? Scan pls. His skin is hard, but that doesn't protect you from fire. Madara can btw. make a Juubi sized Katon. And Genjutsu will disable him and force him to let his guard off, in the same sense his Raiton armor. He has no counter to Genjutsu, he can't withstand Juubi sized Katon. You sound like you knew what the Sandaime is capable of to withstand.

He ain't getting caught in genjutsu unless he looks directly into his eyes from close range while standing still. The Raikage runs at great speeds, genjutsu isn't going to catch him, especially at Kage level.

If fire can burn him, why was Dodai crying out for powerful wind users? Dodai who knows the Raikage more than anyone (except for Ay) said only powerful wind release can stop him. If fire could harm him then why didn't Dodai call out for fire users as well? Ay didn't even flinch from being burned by Amaterasu yet you think Ay's father who is 10x stronger will get burned by something much weaker and less hotter?

 

[Draegod]

He ain't getting caught in genjutsu unless he looks directly into his eyes from close range while standing still. The Raikage runs at great speeds, genjutsu isn't going to catch him, especially at Kage level.

If fire can burn him, why was Dodai crying out for powerful wind users? Dodai who knows the Raikage more than anyone (except for Ay) said only powerful wind release can stop him. If fire could harm him then why didn't Dodai call out for fire users as well? Ay didn't even flinch from being burned by Amaterasu yet you think Ay's father who is 10x stronger will get burned by something much weaker and less hotter?

Plus the fact CS2 Sasuke was able to tank regular fire. And he is no where near either Raikage in endurance!

 

[Draphsin]

Madara isnt faster than third raikage, Naruto reacted to him and blocked his punch and kick whatever

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His speed isnt so great that SM users cant react to it, else he would have long defeated Hashirama

By his own admission Lightning release body flicker is fast for him [

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When I speak of reacting I mean having the reactions to properly evade/counter, like this. [

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Naruto couldn't evade the attack, all he had time to do was brace himself out of reflex.

As for hashi, I have no idea why you're comparing someone like

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to someone who's been fighting on par with sharingan users as a kid in base.

Finally as for that madara example, don't you know that you can't evade something while already in midair? [

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When I speak of reacting I mean having the reactions to properly evade/counter, like this. [

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Reacting to something doesnt always means dodging it, if you block it then it means that the enemy's speed wasnt great enough to blitz you, simple

As for hashi, I have no idea why you're comparing someone like

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to someone who's been fighting on par with sharingan users as a kid in base.

what does fighting fodders uchihas have to do with madara's speed, fodders arent even comparable to top uchihas
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and why are you posting a picture of an untrained naruto? [

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Finally as for that madara example, don't you know that you can't evade something while already in midair? [

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its not madara being in air, so much as madara outrightly saying that the lightning release body flicker is fast or impressive

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[Draphsin]

Reacting to something doesnt always means dodging it, if you block it then it means that the enemy's speed wasnt great enough to blitz you, simple

You can still get blitzed even if you're able to block the atack last minute. [

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] Holding up your arms to brace yourself doesn't always = having enough speed to counter a blitz. Having the ability to dodge is important for speed to become a non factor on both ends, which in turn negates blitzes.

what does fighting fodders uchihas have to do with madara's speed, fodders arent even comparable to top uchihas
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Well I was merely widening the gap [base kid hashi > base kid madara > Senju fodder > Uchiha fodder > base kid sasuke > base kid naruto] but we can compare the top uchiha with hashirama too.

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Base hashi has always been ≥ base madara, so I'm not sure why you think naruto's speed is a valid comparison to hashi's when there's a significant difference between them.

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Because that untrained naruto is a base kid naruto, & he would easily be defeated by a base kid hashi. So there's no point in comparing their SM enhanced speed & reactions when hashi is already superior in base.

its not madara being in air, so much as madara outrightly saying that the lightning release body flicker is fast or impressive

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Madara didn't mention speed, he just praised the jutsu. In fact in that scan you posted Ay's praising madara for his ability to block the attack [the only thing he was able to do at the time since he was unable to dodge].

& That feat of blocking the attack is more impressive in general considering how close ay got to him before he defended. [

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[KidGamer65]

Kabuto said he revived Madara in a state beyond his prime, EMS Madara was not stronger than Edo/Rinnegan Madara. From all that we've seen of Madara from when he was alive, there is no scan that even suggests he had such speed and strength then. Madara being stronger than sage mode Naruto in base (from before his death) is ridiculous. Madara was never praised for his speed and strength back in his prime days.

Madara disagrees. His Edo body was immobilized by Myojinmon, but his alive body broke it with ease. Not to mention Edo Madara can't access his Rinnegan's full power since its a fake created by Edo Tensei, so Kabuto's words have been disproven.

The rest isn't an argument, just you repeating your opinion.

-Knocking Naruto back doesn't mean he's stronger than him.

-Hitting SM Naruto before he could move doesn't mean that he had to have been praised for his speed.

Try again.

I feel like Madara could beat the Sandaime with 3 Tomoe. That's what I expect from the strongest Uchiha. After the Sandaime was disabled with a Genjutsu, he gets burned with a massive Katon.

The same Katon that pretty much did nothing to the Shinobi Alliance with nothing but V1 cloaks from Naruto? Lets be serious here.

 

[adeshina365]

Madara shits.

He can use genjutsu to make the Raikage kill himself.

 

[Draegod]

Madara disagrees. His Edo body was immobilized by Myojinmon, but his alive body broke it with ease. Not to mention Edo Madara can't access his Rinnegan's full power since its a fake created by Edo Tensei, so Kabuto's words have been disproven.

The rest isn't an argument, just you repeating your opinion.

-Knocking Naruto back doesn't mean he's stronger than him.

-Hitting SM Naruto before he could move doesn't mean that he had to have been praised for his speed.

Try again.



The same Katon that pretty much did nothing to the Shinobi Alliance with nothing but V1 cloaks from Naruto? Lets be serious here.

Are you saying EMS Madara>Edo rinnegan Madara?

 

[KidGamer65]

Are you saying EMS Madara>Edo rinnegan Madara?

With Kurama, yeah. Without, no. Though it seems his physical abilities are greater with a real body.