[Discussion] Byakuya vs ulquiorra

[kyubbi sagemode]

This is hm arc byakuya vs ulquiorra

Restrictions: ulquiorra can't use his second release nothing is restricted for byakuya

Who wins?

 

[-Blade-]

Byakuya ftw

 

[Forbidden Tale]

I think Ulq. Higher member of Espada i see Byakuya beating is Nnoitra, and Ulq is even in First Release stronger than Nnoitra.

Ulquiorra was able to overpower Bankai Ichigo with Mask and i hihgly think that Ichigo in that form is above Byakuya.

 

[Anarkist]

Ulquiorra by far, he was the strongest espada even in his first form.

 

[Goetia]

Ulquiorra takes this mid diff. Senbonzakura is not to be underetimated. That stuff is powerful. Ulquiorra has way too much fire power with Lanza Del Relampago (First Resurreccion) and Cero Oscuras.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

I think ulquiorra wins do to speed it depends on how many times Byakuya can use gokei...I mean if bankai hollowfied ichigo can't keep up with his speed then I don't think Byakuya can ether.

 

[kyubbi sagemode]

Ulquiorra by far, he was the strongest espada even in his first form.

In his first form he's not the strongest espada

 

[Nebula]

Guess my answer.xd

 

[Dãrth1]

Ulq with only 1st ressureccion wins mid diff, with Segunda Etapa wins negative diff

 

[Vandenreich]

Ulquiorra by far, he was the strongest espada even in his first form.

Stop dropping false knowledge

 

[raziel777]

Byakuya. He's strong enough to defeat Halibel (kenpachi too). Only 2nda etapa wrecks him.

 

[Misconception]

Ulquiorra wins... His 1st release was far to fast for Masked Bankai Ichigo to even see him move and regular Bankai Ichigo was fast enough to land deadly blows on Byakuya 2nd release Ulquiorra would curb Byakuya...

 

[iiPyromaniac]

Ulquiorra. There's no comparison here. If Masked Bankai Ichigo can't keep up with Ulquiorra's first release, then Byakuya definitely can't. If Bankai Ichigo is capable of forcing Byakuya to use Senkei, and uncontrolled half-masked Bankai Ichigo is enough to injure Byakuya severely then you can only imagine how badly Ulquiorra would wreck Byakuya.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Ulquiorra. There's no comparison here. If Masked Bankai Ichigo can't keep up with Ulquiorra's first release, then Byakuya definitely can't. If Bankai Ichigo is capable of forcing Byakuya to use Senkei, and uncontrolled half-masked Bankai Ichigo is enough to injure Byakuya severely then you can only imagine how badly Ulquiorra would wreck Byakuya.

Well Byakuya did not have gokei when he fought ichigo if he did ichigo would have been cut to pieces...half masked ichigo only cut Byakuya cuz it was unexpected Byakuya thought ichigo was done for..

But yea I agree ulquiorra would win eventually.

 

[raziel777]

You guys forget that 7th Espada sonido was the fastest and Byakuya destroyed him in speed.

Before you guys say 1st release Ulquiorra is faster, 7th espada who knew about that release said he was the fastest.

2nd release Ulquiorra wins neg diff tho.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

You guys forget that 7th Espada sonido was the fastest and Byakuya destroyed him in speed.

Before you guys say 1st release Ulquiorra is faster, 7th espada who knew about that release said he was the fastest.

2nd release Ulquiorra wins neg diff tho.

Zommari being fastes espada is just statement.

Byakuya "outspeed" Zommari, but we already know that Bankai Ichigo was a lot faster than Byakuya also Vizard mask probably boost Ichigo's speed even more. So i think that Bankai Ichigo with Mask is far faster than Byakuya. Now we have Grimmjow who was able to completely fine keep up with that form of Ichigo and that would mean Ichigo >/= Grimm > Byakuya > Zommari, so i think that it's pretty much safe to say that Zommari is not fastest Espada.

Also, 1R Ulq as long as i remember was able to "outspeed" Bankai Ichigo with Mask (and we know that Ichigo with every fight got stronger, and we can assume that he also got faster). So that also lead me to assumption:

First Release Ulquiorra > Ichigo that fought Ulquiorra > Ichigo that fought Grimmjow >/= Grimmjow >Byakuya > Zommari in speed.

I will also add, that Coyote Starrk (in base) with easy was able to "outspeed" Bankai Ichigo who again was significantly faster than Byakuya.

 

[raziel777]

Zommari being fastes espada is just statement.

Byakuya "outspeed" Zommari, but we already know that Bankai Ichigo was a lot faster than Byakuya also Vizard mask probably boost Ichigo's speed even more. So i think that Bankai Ichigo with Mask is far faster than Byakuya. Now we have Grimmjow who was able to completely fine keep up with that form of Ichigo and that would mean Ichigo >/= Grimm > Byakuya > Zommari, so i think that it's pretty much safe to say that Zommari is not fastest Espada.

Also, 1R Ulq as long as i remember was able to "outspeed" Bankai Ichigo with Mask (and we know that Ichigo with every fight got stronger, and we can assume that he also got faster). So that also lead me to assumption:

First Release Ulquiorra > Ichigo that fought Ulquiorra > Ichigo that fought Grimmjow >/= Grimmjow >Byakuya > Zommari in speed.

I will also add, that Coyote Starrk (in base) with easy was able to "outspeed" Bankai Ichigo who again was significantly faster than Byakuya.

Gin was able to casually fight Bankai Ichigo too. Not even forcing, do you believe Gin > Byakuya in speed ? Byakuya is the fastest captain minus Soifon/Yoruichi.

Sexta was not losing speed either vs Ichigo.

It's not just statement, he demonstrated it too, by moving so fast he created clones. Only Soifon showed that kind of speed in Bleach.

Byakuya dod not use his secret shunpo against Ichigo. Plus he has gokei.

Do not forget that 1, 2 and 3 espada are stronger than 4. And Byakuya/Kenpachi can defeat up to Halibel if Toshiro could hold his own against Halibel(in hueco mundo arc).

Halibel is stronger than 1st release Ulquiorra (said by Ulquiorra himself when he said 3 Espadas were stronger than him) Do you think Halibel < 1st release Ulquiorra just because of speed ?

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Gin was able to casually fight Bankai Ichigo too. Not even forcing, do you believe Gin > Byakuya in speed ? Byakuya is the fastest captain minus Soifon/Yoruichi.

Not the same, Gin vs Ichigo wasn't some long drawn out battle.

It's not just statement, he demonstrated it too, by moving so fast he created clones. Only Soifon showed that kind of speed in Bleach.

Clones is not some measure of speed. Byakuya can't make them, but he is still faster than Byakuya and also by your words Sui Feng = Zommari in speed and since Byakuya > Zommari in speed would also mean that Byakuya > Sui Feng is speed which is obviously not true.

Byakuya dod not use his secret shunpo against Ichigo. Plus he has gokei.

What secret shunpo? Gokei don't have to do anything with speed.

Do not forget that 1, 2 and 3 espada are stronger than 4. And Byakuya/Kenpachi can defeat up to Halibel if Toshiro could hold his own against Halibel(in hueco mundo arc).

I don't deny that 1,2 and 3 are stronger than 4. But i disagree with that that Zaraki and Byakuya can defeat 3rd. I see them beating Nnoitra and i see Zaraki having some chances against R1 Ulq, but not sure.
Hitsugaya didn't really beat her.
1. Ice > Water, Tier was in disadvantage for the start of match and even thought this disadvantage she fight very well against Toshiro
2. It's just that Toshiro used his full power before Tier. After Tier was unfrozed by Margela, she was like new, unlike Hitsugaya who was exhausted.
Hitsugaya for me is same level as Byakuya and Zaraki. Higher member i see him beating is Nnoitra.

Halibel is stronger than 1st release Ulquiorra (said by Ulquiorra himself when he said 3 Espadas were stronger than him) Do you think Halibel < 1st release Ulquiorra just because of speed ?

Yammy is also rank above Ulq. I personally think that when he said that he mean Yammy, Starrk and Barragan and i highly think that he considered his secunda etapa and that he already knew that he is stronger than Tier, since his feats in R2 is far more impressive than Tier's.
I never stated something like 1R Ulq > Tier, my comment was focused on your statement "Zommari is fastest espada".

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Zommari being fastes espada is just statement.

Byakuya "outspeed" Zommari, but we already know that Bankai Ichigo was a lot faster than Byakuya also Vizard mask probably boost Ichigo's speed even more. So i think that Bankai Ichigo with Mask is far faster than Byakuya. Now we have Grimmjow who was able to completely fine keep up with that form of Ichigo and that would mean Ichigo >/= Grimm > Byakuya > Zommari, so i think that it's pretty much safe to say that Zommari is not fastest Espada.

Also, 1R Ulq as long as i remember was able to "outspeed" Bankai Ichigo with Mask (and we know that Ichigo with every fight got stronger, and we can assume that he also got faster). So that also lead me to assumption:

First Release Ulquiorra > Ichigo that fought Ulquiorra > Ichigo that fought Grimmjow >/= Grimmjow >Byakuya > Zommari in speed.

I will also add, that Coyote Starrk (in base) with easy was able to "outspeed" Bankai Ichigo who again was significantly faster than Byakuya.

Bankai ichigo was not faster than Byakuya that's why Byakuya choose to fight him sword to sword cuz he had a better chance that way instead of useing his petals they were even in speed but then ichigo spirtual pressure started slowing him down..

An Byakuya did not out speed #7 he out smarter him.

 

[Anarkist]

Don't take my post seriously
Although Ulquiorra>Byakuya