Looked at Hiruzen's DB score.

[ComplexCity]

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Didn't Obito fodderize the fart?
And then he stood down?

 

[SkyGodHorus]

Didn't Obito fodderize the fart?
And then he stood down?

No. He chopped up some of the shinju, rescued Naruto from it and countered the thousand hand buddha statue with his five elements.

 

[ComplexCity]

No. He chopped up some of the shinju, rescued Naruto from it and countered the thousand hand buddha statue with his five elements.

Hashirama soloed PS, the Fox and Madara


Hiruzen ran away from the tree and stalemated a less powered down version of Buddah

Which one sounds more impressive?

 

[Lana Del Taka]

He couldn't even take down the Budha Statue while Karin solo'd it neg diff.

 

[SuperChief]

He couldn't even take down the Budha Statue while Karin solo'd it neg diff.

If you're going to bash a character at least get the facts right. Hiruzen was countering the statue to protect his allies, not to destroy the statue. He did that on the fly, by the way, i.e. it was a reactionary move he pulled off with no prep time whatsoever.

 

[DoubleKamui]

He couldn't even take down the Budha Statue while Karin solo'd it neg diff.

Hiruzen > Team Taka

 

[ComplexCity]

If you're going to bash a character at least get the facts right. Hiruzen was countering the statue to protect his allies, not to destroy the statue. He did that on the fly, by the way, i.e. it was a reactionary move he pulled off with no prep time whatsoever.

That's a very dumb statement to make seeing how they are in the midst of a war


Hiruzen being fodder is axiomatic. Obito already proved this

 

[SkyGodHorus]

Hashirama soloed PS, the Fox and Madara


Hiruzen ran away from the tree and stalemated a less powered down version of Buddah

Which one sounds more impressive?

Could you stop with the initials, "solo'ed," and "fodderized" bullshit and talk like a normal person for once rather than a rabid thirteen year old DnD or Magic the gathering player? It's getting old.

This thread is about Hiruzen's feats, not Hashirama's.

Orochimaru lost his hands and jutsus for most of the series and was killed by Sasuke and Itachi, resulting in him being a secondary antagonist.

Madara survived, obtained Hagoromo's powers, founded Akatsuki and the moon's eyes plan and returned as the final antagonist.

Hiruzen sounds more impressive in regards to that feat.

And Hashirama died shortly after his fight with Madara while Hiruzen lived and brought a fifty year peace to Konoha while keeping the country's power secure.

 

[SkyGodHorus]

That's a very dumb statement to make seeing how they are in the midst of a war


Hiruzen being fodder is axiomatic. Obito already proved this

Yet he's the only edo Kage remaining who is still intact.

 

[ComplexCity]

Could you stop with the initials, "solo'ed," and "fodderized" bullshit and talk like a normal person for once rather than a rabid thirteen year old DnD or Magic the gathering player? It's getting old.

This thread is about Hiruzen's feats, not Hashirama's.

Orochimaru lost his hands and jutsus for most of the series and was killed by Sasuke and Itachi, resulting in him being a secondary antagonist.

Madara survived, obtained Hagoromo's powers, founded Akatsuki and the moon's eyes plan and returned as the final antagonist.

Hiruzen sounds more impressive in regards to that feat.

And Hashirama died shortly after his fight with Madara while Hiruzen lived and brought a fifty year peace to Konoha while keeping the country's power secure.

Don't understand the relevancy of this post. You were simple trying to marvel Hiruzen in a feat that wasn't nearly as impressive in to what Hashi did. All I did is respond to a point that doesn't make Hiruzen anywhere near top 10

Yet he's the only edo Kage remaining who is still intact.

LMFAO? What reason did Obito and Madara have to bother with a fodder? They didn't need anything from him, so he wasn't a person of interest U_U

 

[Lana Del Taka]

If you're going to bash a character at least get the facts right. Hiruzen was countering the statue to protect his allies, not to destroy the statue. He did that on the fly, by the way, i.e. it was a reactionary move he pulled off with no prep time whatsoever.

Ok? He still didn't do shit to the Budha.

Hiruzen > Team Taka

Hiruzen disagrees. After seeing Team Taka+Oro fodderize Spiral Zetsu and the Budha, he instantly became a fan....

 

[SkyGodHorus]

Don't understand the relevancy of this post. You were simple trying to marvel Hiruzen in a feat that wasn't nearly as impressive in to what Hashi did.

Subjective. People comprehend what they comprehend and I don't give two ****s what you understand or don't understand, especially considering you are so biased and absent minded of plots and characters to the point that you completely forgot, or should I say didn't see or looked past what Hiruzen did after Obito hit him.

Thank you for admitting it was a feat by the way.

All I did is respond to a point that doesn't make Hiruzen anywhere near top 10

Top 10 is also subjective. People could have a whole different list than yours and it wouldn't make yours any more objective. As far as feats towards the plot goes, I believe it puts him in the top 5.

LMFAO? What reason did Obito and Madara have to bother with a fodder? They didn't need anything from him, so he wasn't a person of interest U_U

Orochimaru stated Hiruzen possesses the jutsus of all the Konoha clans and considering you don't even pay attention to him, your words about him hold little to no substance or validity. He was able to withstand the shinju, break its branches and save Naruto when the other kages could not. And he and Tobirama purposely were hit by Obito to figure out the properties of his techniques according to Sasuke.

 

[ComplexCity]

Subjective. People comprehend what they comprehend and I don't give two ****s what you understand or don't understand, especially considering you are so biased and absent minded of plots and characters to the point that you completely forgot, or should I say didn't see or looked past what Hiruzen did after Obito hit him.

Thank you for admitting it was a feat by the way.



Top 10 is also subjective. People could have a whole different list than yours and it wouldn't make yours any more objective. As far as feats towards the plot goes, I believe it puts him in the top 5.



Orochimaru stated Hiruzen possesses the jutsus of all the Konoha clans and considering you don't even pay attention to him, your words about him hold little to no substance or validity.

1. What a troll lol
I'm not biased. None of you Hiruzen trolls can provide manga facts providing is might. Point is, he got fodderized insanely and there are no feats after that are impressive enough to make up for that


2. Irrelevant because Hiruzen won't be in any logical top 10. Manga freats will also agree with me as well


3. I care not for character statements. It's because of that that you Hiruzen fapboys think Hiruzen is valid in the first place. Post manga scans of him using all the leaf jutsu and I won't say anything more

 

[Trollasaur]

No. He chopped up some of the shinju, rescued Naruto from it and countered the thousand hand buddha statue with his five elements.

lol rekt......

 

[Trollasaur]

Could you stop with the initials, "solo'ed," and "fodderized" bullshit and talk like a normal person for once rather than a rabid thirteen year old DnD or Magic the gathering player? It's getting old.

This thread is about Hiruzen's feats, not Hashirama's.

Orochimaru lost his hands and jutsus for most of the series and was killed by Sasuke and Itachi, resulting in him being a secondary antagonist.

Madara survived, obtained Hagoromo's powers, founded Akatsuki and the moon's eyes plan and returned as the final antagonist.

Hiruzen sounds more impressive in regards to that feat.

And Hashirama died shortly after his fight with Madara while Hiruzen lived and brought a fifty year peace to Konoha while keeping the country's power secure.

lol I support what you said, but shutup @bold.

 

[Stark]

That's a very dumb statement to make seeing how they are in the midst of a war


Hiruzen being fodder is axiomatic. Obito already proved this

Your favorite must be Obito, probably why you mad.

 

[ComplexCity]

Your favorite must be Obito, probably why you mad.

Yes, including Madara, Naruto, Sasuke, Kakashi, Pain, Gaara, Minato and Itachi

Problem?

 

[SkyGodHorus]

1. What a troll lol

I don't troll. All I've done until now is state facts and my own comprehensions. Calling me a troll when you are debunked or emotionally shooken holds no objectivity and does not strengthen your argument.

I'm not biased.

You are incredibly biased. You have ignored all the feats I stated before finally admitting one was a feat and then twisting your words to say someone else's feat "was better" when the thread wasn't even about them. And during all of this, subjectively stating with no validation whatsoever that Hiruzen "is a fodder" over and over. You need a new routine.

None of you Hiruzen trolls can provide manga facts providing is might.

I provided nine or ten feats. It is not my problem when you intentionally either ignore them or comprehend them differently.

Point is, he got fodderized insanely and there are no feats after that are impressive enough to make up for that

1) fought on par with Orochimaru
2) disarmed orochimaru
3) Overcame Hashirama's genjutsu
4) Overcame Hashirama's mokuton
5) mastered all the clans of Konoha's jutsus
6) Sealed Orochimaru's hands which ultimately led to his defeat twice
7) Routed Orochimaru and all the sand and sound shinobi
8) taught the three sannin
9) brought a fifty year peace to Konoha
10) preserved Konoha's power
11) became Hokage when he was a teenager
12) defeated the edo hokages and sealed them to not be used again
13) endured the Shinju's power
14) found out the properties of the gudou damas
15) saved Naruto from the Shinju
16) saved the alliance from the buddha statue

Your turn again.

2. Irrelevant because Hiruzen won't be in any logical top 10. Manga freats will also agree with me as well

Top ten is subjective as is anyone else who agrees with you or me.

3. I care not for character statements.

I do.

It's because of that that you Hiruzen fapboys think Hiruzen is valid in the first place. Post manga scans of him using all the leaf jutsu and I won't say anything more

Post scans of Hashirama and Kakashi using all the leaf jutsus. Calling me a fapboy doesn't support your objectivity or standpoint either.

 

[Amaterasuice]

Hiruzen in his prime probably has a 4/5 in strength, 4.5 in speed, and 4 in stamina. It doesn't automatically make you have a 5/5 in your prime if youre old and tired when you're sixty.

I say prime Hiruzen is stronger than Tobirama and Base Minato. But the moment edo Minato had Bm and Hashirama was shown to be overpowered, Hiruzen went to third....at best.

 

[Apexx]

What can Hiruzen do to Deep Forest Emergence?