Looked at Hiruzen's DB score.

[The Rower]

underrated? Perhaps yes.

But I don't think he was stronger then The first Hokage...Maybe stronger then the second but I dunno.

Does it really matter that much???

 

[Punk Hazard]

This gay ass shit again.

 

[Its sasukebase]

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Since we're bring up Databooks here....

this^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Onoki is a fodder and madara proved that so being the strongest in his time is nothing as they were all fodder. don't compare him to hashirama you will only make him look weaker hiruzen is not even top 15.

 

[SkyGodHorus]

You are still not giving me feats.

Subjective. I could give you a hundred feats and you'd still say the same exact thing because you are a biased.

Barely any powers lols. Tobirama used his water style and a very strong genjutsu while Hashirama fought with his taijutsu and created a mokuton forest on a roof. They are kages, not "fodders."

6) a master of all five elements
7) countered the thousand hand buddha statue

 

[voids]

this^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Onoki is a fodder and madara proved that so being the strongest in his time is nothing as they were all fodder. don't compare him to hashirama you will only make him look weaker hiruzen is not even top 15.

Madara proved that when Onoki was very young. ​

 

[BlacLord™]

Sealed what? Fodders with no brain and barely any power? Hashirama we saw @ VoTE shits on Fodderuzen.

You are still not giving me feats.

And full power Tobirama would blitz him.

Subjective. I could give you a hundred feats and you'd still say the same exact thing because you are a biased.

Barely any powers lols. Tobirama used his water style and a very strong genjutsu while Hashirama fought with his taijutsu and created a mokuton forest on a roof. They are kages, not "fodders."

6) a master of all five elements
7) countered the thousand hand buddha statue

"A master of all five elements" - He has shown to be masterful in Katon, that's it. He has shown decent level Doton and as for the other three, he's shown only a primitive form used by random fodder.

Edo Senju Bros. were at a fraction of their power so even the Suiton shown by Tobirama would have been a lot less powerful. And in the manga, Hashirama used the genjutsu.

 

[FlashReturns]

Prime Fodderuzen doesn't exist.

You can show DB scores, hype whatever you want. He doesn't have any decent feats to be even in top 15.

Name 15 feats from any characters beside Hashirama, Madara, Obito, Naruto, and Sasuke that compare to defending the 5 Kage from the Buudha Statue alone and sealing the 1st Hokage, 2nd Hokage, along with Orochimarus Arms while in a severely weakened state...

 

[Flakez]

Subjective. I could give you a hundred feats and you'd still say the same exact thing because you are a biased.

Barely any powers lols. Tobirama used his water style and a very strong genjutsu while Hashirama fought with his taijutsu and created a mokuton forest on a roof. They are kages, not "fodders."

6) a master of all five elements
7) countered the thousand hand buddha statue

You are not giving me feats, because they are laughable to say the least.

Countered what? a mini version of Hashirama's Buddha? ***** please.

Also Tobirama blitzes with FTG. ( which by the way he didn't use against Hiruzen).

And don't give me this crap. Hashirama that fought Hiruzen is NOTHING compared to VoTE Hashirama. Oro's edo tensei was flawed at that time, he controlled them and didn't give them free will.

 

[Its sasukebase]

Madara proved that when Onoki was very young. ​

madara raped Onoki again plus 4 other fodder plus madara was just toying with them.not only that madra beat muu and Onoki together without using susanoo only used 3 toma sharingan.

#hiruzen is a fodder#sasukebase

 

[SkyGodHorus]

You are not giving me feats, because they are laughable to say the least.

Countered what? a mini version of Hashirama's Buddha? ***** please.

Also Tobirama blitzes with FTG. ( which by the way he didn't use against Hiruzen).

And don't give me this crap. Hashirama that fought Hiruzen is NOTHING compared to VoTE Hashirama. Oro's edo tensei was flawed at that time, he controlled them and didn't give them free will.

Oh so you're saying Orochimaru's intellect and skill was flawed since he was controlling the two hokages and Hiruzen countered he and them? Thank you for making my point.

Hiruzen knew a thousand jutsus and was Tobirama's student and successor. He likely would have had a counter for FTG.

Lol don't give me your crap, "guy."

8) Hiruzen was able to break the shinju's branches.
9) Hiruzen saved Naruto from the Shinju.

 

[Lana Del Taka]

Yet Karin still solos...

 

[Its sasukebase]

Name 15 feats from any characters beside Hashirama, Madara, Obito, Naruto, and Sasuke that compare to defending the 5 Kage from the Buudha Statue alone and sealing the 1st Hokage, 2nd Hokage, along with Orochimarus Arms while in a severely weakened state...

itachi as he solo oro when he was on the verge of death and he completely sealed him not just his arms and he can also block all of the mini buudha attacks and amaterasu it and the

bee solo tbb and kills oro or seal him

guy solo 7th gate and kills oro

kisame solo water dome or giant shark missile and kill oro



#hiruzen is fodder and could even beat oro he could only seal his arms

 

[shelke]

I don't agree, because he has little feats as far as his live self was portrayed. Edo feats do not count, given that they far overshadow his feats when he died. Far over-shadow them. Edos have shown better feats for both him and Minato.

-Sealed edo Hashirama and Tobirama
-fought on par with and incapacitated Orochimaru the whole series
-brought a fifty year peace to Konoha
-was the three sannin's sensei
-Became Hokage when he was a teenager

Think again, fluffyfodder.

I laughed so hard that you have no idea.

 

[SkyGodHorus]

And full power Tobirama would blitz him.



"A master of all five elements" - He has shown to be masterful in Katon, that's it. He has shown decent level Doton and as for the other three, he's shown only a primitive form used by random fodder.

He used all five elements at once with clones no less to counter the five given off by the mokuton statue. Mokuton is a not a "fodder" technique. It is Hashirama's kekkei Genki with the attributes of the shinju. And it is unknown who is behind the spiral zetsu mask.

Edo Senju Bros. were at a fraction of their power so even the Suiton shown by Tobirama would have been a lot less powerful. And in the manga, Hashirama used the genjutsu.

Regardless, they were still using their kage techniques and he fought them together with Orchimaru. And it is not stated they were "at a fraction of their power."

Thank you for making my point. Hashirama is stronger than Tobirama and Hiruzen overcame his genjutsu.

 

[Flakez]

Oh so you're saying Orochimaru's intellect and skill was flawed since he was controlling the two hokages and Hiruzen countered he and them? Thank you for making my point.

His intellect was flawed? He had no way of knowing the full extent of Hashirama's power. And you can't properly use an edo if you don't know their power.

 

[BlacLord™]

He used all five elements at once with clones no less to counter the five given off by the mokuton statue. Mokuton is a not a "fodder" technique. It is Hashirama's kekkei Genki with the attributes of the shinju. And it is unknown who is behind the spiral zetsu mask.



Regardless, they were still using their kage techniques and he fought them together with Orchimaru. And it is not stated they were "at a fraction of their power."

Thank you for making my point. Hashirama is stronger than Tobirama and Hiruzen overcame his genjutsu.

@Bold Lolwut? Hiruzen couldn't dispel it, it ended because he used Shiki Fuujin.

I'd hardly call committing suicide to indirectly dispel a mere genjutsu impressive.

 

[SkyGodHorus]

His intellect was flawed? He had no way of knowing the full extent of Hashirama's power. And you can't properly use an edo if you don't know their power.

I find this funny, considering I believe it was you once upon a time who linked the first Edo Hashirama's mokuton forest, calling it masterful and complete compared to Yamato's whom you classified as plank wood. You are only further contradicting yourself.

 

[Howling Fox]

Those stats are like 5 years old naruto and sasukeh stats are way higher than that now.

Wonder if Solo Mode Hiruzen has perfect 5 across the board tho.

 

[voids]

madara raped Onoki again plus 4 other fodder plus madara was just toying with them.not only that madra beat muu and Onoki together without using susanoo only used 3 toma sharingan.

#hiruzen is a fodder#sasukebase

Madara with senju and uchiha dna and as an edo beyond his prime. ​

 

[FlashReturns]

itachi as he solo oro when he was on the verge of death and he completely sealed him not just his arms and he can also block all of the mini buudha attacks and amaterasu it and the

bee solo tbb and kills oro or seal him

guy solo 7th gate and kills oro

kisame solo water dome or giant shark missile and kill oro



#hiruzen is fodder and could even beat oro he could only seal his arms

I said name 15 feats that compare to Hiruzens feats without mentioning Hashirama, Madara, Obito, Naruto, or Sasuke. You did not...The lack of comprehension on this site is amazing.

Itachi loses to the Oro that fought Hiruzen with those Edos. Edo Hashirama at that time puts him under Bringer of Darkness which Itachi has no counter for a genjutsu of that rank.

Im not sure if Bee could have even transformed with the amount of space given at that time. And Hashiramas Wood Jutsu could potentially suppress an inferior beast in the form of Gyuuki. Dont act like Killer Bee TBB is even remotely close to Narutos...

Gai has nothing that is killing Oro or sealing the Edos with 7th Gate alone.

Anyways, you are comparing those to Old Hiruzen and only attempted some half thought out statement saying Itachi could have replicated the same thing as Edo Hiruzen against the statue.